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haya
post Dec 18 2008, 05:28 PM

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Is the middle name compulsory? I don't think so. If I were in that situation (where there are fields for First names, middle names) I would put Angelina Siew Ling as my First name, and leave the middle name blank.

Yeoh will then be the surname.

As I said, it is a mess for those who ethnic Chinese who have a English name. They surname ends up being in the middle, with causes no end of confusion when faced with different cultures.
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post Dec 18 2008, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ Dec 17 2008, 11:06 AM)
There are 3 ways of dealing with Chinese names in the western context. Using your example, some people hyphenate the two words, so you end up being Yin-Shen Goh, with Yin-Shen being your name. Most Taiwanese follow this convention when writing their names with alphabets (just look at all the Taiwanese presidents).

The other way is to follow the PRC convention, and make them one "word". So your name will be Yinshen Goh. The only downside is that your name will be mispronounced a bit more than one would like.

Finally, the Malaysian/Singaporean convention is to just switch your name around, so your name is written as Yin Shen Goh. The downside to this is when you are called (in class, bank etc), you end up being Mr Yin Goh, as generally the "shen" is treated as a middle name and not generally used.

Wait till you see the "fun" I have with a English name. I really wish Malaysian passports would have a surname field. But I am aware that the Malay's and Indian's don't have a surname.
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Very informative. So you have:

Taiwan: Yin-Shen Goh
PRC: Yinshen Goh
Malaysia: Yin Shen Goh

Here is another short form:
Yin S. Goh
(First Name) (Middle name as initial only) (Last or Surname)

So you should not be surprised if your Western friend starts to call you Yin

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post Dec 18 2008, 05:46 PM

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my skool supervisor is Dr. Hnin Pwint Aung

in myanmar, their surname is on the back, thus Aung

but here mostly call her Dr. Hnin, including me biggrin.gif


i tink in vietnam oso same
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post Dec 18 2008, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ Dec 18 2008, 05:28 PM)
Is the middle name compulsory? I don't think so. If I were in that situation (where there are fields for First names, middle names) I would put Angelina Siew Ling as my First name, and leave the middle name blank.

Yeoh will then be the surname.

As I said, it is a mess for those who ethnic Chinese who have a English name. They surname ends up being in the middle, with causes no end of confusion when faced with different cultures.
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I dunno if its a good idea to omitt the middle name... looks weird on the application form...even if i put the first name so long when combine it still read out funnily --> Yeoh Angelina Siew Ling
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post Dec 18 2008, 06:20 PM

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Angelina S.L. Yeoh

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post Dec 18 2008, 07:36 PM

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Or it can be

Goh, Yin Shen

Last Name, First Name

This post has been edited by HanYH: Dec 18 2008, 07:36 PM
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post Dec 18 2008, 07:59 PM

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Family name will considered as surname/last name and then your name after your family name will be first name. If you have English name, then it will become like this:

i.e: Edison Lee Yong Seng

In first and last name mode, it will be Lee Edison Yong Seng/ Yong Seng Edison Lee.
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QUOTE(Latios @ Dec 18 2008, 07:59 PM)
Family name will considered as surname/last name and then your name after your family name will be first name. If you have English name, then it will become like this:

i.e: Edison Lee Yong Seng

In first and last name mode, it will be Lee Edison Yong Seng/ Yong Seng Edison Lee.
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u r sure?? i trust u k?
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post Dec 19 2008, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Dec 18 2008, 06:20 PM)
Angelina S.L. Yeoh
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It common for people not to know the middle name of their friend in Western country, hence initial will suffice. Normally, only close friend bother to find out what the initial S.L. means.

Let's do a little experiment here. Without checking on Internet, how many of you know what does the "W" in George W. Bush stands for?

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post Dec 19 2008, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(Latios @ Dec 18 2008, 07:59 PM)
Family name will considered as surname/last name and then your name after your family name will be first name. If you have English name, then it will become like this:

i.e: Edison Lee Yong Seng

In first and last name mode, it will be Lee Edison Yong Seng/ Yong Seng Edison Lee.
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I personally hate the last convention. I an aware that in the western system, Mr John Adam Smith will become Smith, Adam John when put in the US system. Where the given name is at the right. So it does get mangled when parsed into the Chinese name context, ie "Lee, Edison Yong Seng". You end up being called Mr Seng.

I really think it all depends on where you are going. In the British system (UK, Australia, New Zealand), making yourself "Edison Yong Seng Lee" hasn't given me any problems thus far.

A good convention in academia, is to underline your surname when handing in reports/assignments.
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post Dec 19 2008, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Dec 19 2008, 08:41 AM)
It common for people not to know the middle name of their friend in Western country, hence initial will suffice. Normally, only close friend bother to find out what the initial S.L. means.

Let's do a little experiment here. Without checking on Internet, how many of you know what does the "W" in George W. Bush stands for?
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W is for washington right?..

the name all so funny can it cause trouble?? like my passport put my name in correct order then when i submit application form when they process it if i get over to japan then see different arrangement how?
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post Dec 19 2008, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(f4tE @ Dec 19 2008, 09:08 AM)
the name all so funny can it cause trouble?? like my passport put my name in correct order then when i submit application form when they process it if i get over to japan then see different arrangement how?
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As I said, it does cause some confusion, but not "trouble". I bet the name in your passport is in the format of "Angelina Yeoh Siew Ling". You just have to tell them that "Yeoh" is your surname. 99.9% of the time they would understand. 0.01% of the time they don't really care.
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but when doing formal things like government stuff they wont be strict and want it to be completely same?? cuz they will have questions about my identity and want me to prove that my name is so and stuff like dat?? if unformal sure can understand...but when come to formal paper stuff will it be difficult?? anyone got experience b4?
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post Dec 20 2008, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(f4tE @ Dec 19 2008, 04:33 PM)
but when doing formal things like government stuff they wont be strict and want it to be completely same?? cuz they will have questions about my identity and want me to prove that my name is so and stuff like dat?? if unformal sure can understand...but when come to formal paper stuff will it be difficult?? anyone got experience b4?
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I cannot say for Japan (firstly, AFAIK Alien Registration cards are in Japanese. Do they allow Katakana?), but in Australia and New Zealand, even when dealing with the government they are generally understanding, if you show them the right documentation. Your passport, and to a lesser extent, your student card is the best thing. Generally they should be different columns for Given name and Surname in forms. As long as your are consistent (Ie "Angelina Siew Ling Yeoh") you should be fine.

I have heard of stories of Malaysian's studying in Japan adopting 日本語 names (in 漢字 no less), even if they are not ethnic Chinese (the Japan-JPA program is only open to Bumiputera's).
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post Dec 20 2008, 03:58 PM

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my name is Jason Sim Ching Sern

My last name is Sim
My First name can be Jason / Ching Sern
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QUOTE(maniac08 @ Dec 17 2008, 12:09 PM)
First Name : Yin Shen
Last Name : Goh

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If you have an English name then,
First Name : James Yin Shen
Last Name : Goh

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Chinese no middle name , only ang moh got . for example,
First Name : Hilary
Middle Name : Rodney
Last Name : Clinton
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so is the first (Goh Yin Shen)?

second (James Goh Yin Shen)?

thrid (Hilary Clinton Rodney)?
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post Dec 21 2008, 12:14 AM

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goh is you last name
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post Dec 23 2008, 03:06 AM

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swt. first name is ur name. eg ah kau. ah mao. ah mu. ah sou.

ur last name would be the name where u follow ur dad la.

eg. tan. wong. au yong.


hehe. jsut my 2cents.
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post Dec 23 2008, 09:23 AM

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the brits often confuse and assumed my surname is Yasir and not Mat Yasir. letters often go to the wrong mailbox, filed under the wrong category and so on. so i can only imagine the problems the chinese, korean and japanese have with a frontal surname.

so i've adopted the convention of capitalizing or underlining my surname like so:

Azari MAT YASIR
Azari Mat Yasir

this is a convention that they accept when u dont have a box for surname and first name. use it. make ur life easier.
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post Jan 8 2009, 10:56 PM

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hmmm
its different culture that makes all those confusing.


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