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Financial The Zest at Puchong Kinrara, Pls update the latest news ^_^

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post Mar 6 2009, 12:05 PM

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I personally think that this is a very interesting project, has a great entry price, would probably book a unit soon, hence would like to hear what other forumers think of this development. To have some control over the discussio( and avoid unwaranted comments), let me know your thoughts on :


1. How much can a F/F Zest 3 bedroom unit could be rented in 3 years time?

2. How much can you sell it off after 5 years?

3. Current competition from existing condo's, how many of them and how are they doing at the moment?

4. What is your view of Puchong in 5 & 10 years time?


Anyone is welcomed to express their views as long as its related any of the above questions. Looking forward to hear your views smile.gif

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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Mar 6 2009, 02:27 PM)
Heard that early bird discount had been reduced from RM3888 to RM 2000..

not sure what is the sales figure but last heard was facing East is almost fully booked/sold..

Not much publicity had been made, they only appear once during the last iproperty fair and lately featured in iproperty website..
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Early bird discount of RM3888 is extended till end of MAPEX, and blok A is more than 50% sold at the moment. They have yet to do an official launch to date......


Added on March 6, 2009, 4:27 pm
QUOTE(cody99 @ Mar 6 2009, 12:18 PM)
Pai, it there a LRT there?
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From what I've heard, Bukit Jalil LRT station will be extended all the way to putra heights. Developer confirmed that LRT rail work will start commence August, and a station will be present minutes from the Zest smile.gif


Added on March 6, 2009, 4:30 pm
QUOTE(Phoeni_142 @ Mar 6 2009, 12:32 PM)
Hi my friend,

I'm not familiar with Puchong.

But the township received an interesting write-up in the Star Metro Section this week.  I'm not too sure which day.

Something about the "residents have had it with the traffic congestion".  U may want to have a look at it. 

Everywhere in KL is jam.  But for it to come out in the papers.....may not be such a trivial issue.
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Went to check out Puchong last week, and Im rather pleasantly surprised. Its so vibrant with commercial activities, and small wonder why puchong's property prices has been on the rise over the past 5 years.

Jam, huge problem but with the LRT coming along, think it will have a positive impact towardds Zest and Puchong. wink.gif

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post Mar 6 2009, 06:05 PM

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so how many forumers here bought into Zest? smile.gif
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post Mar 7 2009, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(Pai @ Mar 6 2009, 12:05 PM)
1. How much can a F/F Zest 3 bedroom unit could be rented in 3 years time?

2. How much can you sell it off after 5 years?

3. Current competition from existing condo's, how many of them and how are they doing at the moment?

4. What is your view of Puchong in 5 & 10 years time?

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Since no one has answered the above question, lemme get the ball rolling :

1. 1.5k to 2.5k per month. tongue.gif

2. My target price is RM350,000 for the smallest unit. rolleyes.gif

3. Only Savanna and the upcoming Setia Walk, and these condo's wont come cheap.

4. As vibrant as Damansara today.



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post Mar 7 2009, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Phoeni_142 @ Mar 7 2009, 01:25 AM)
I'll take you on for a bet for point number 4, mate  tongue.gif

5 years time - we'll do an independent study to validate that point.  We'll engage a consortium of valuers, surveyors, agents and bankers (not our cronies pls) to assess the viability of Damansara vs. Puchong.  This must also include a demographic and pyschographic analysis.

the stakes - one aircond unit, LCD, kitchen cabinets and a paintjob.  

u on?  whistling.gif
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sure, but we need to establish an agreed KPI on what contributes to a "vibrant neighborhood" rolleyes.gif


Added on March 7, 2009, 5:33 pm
QUOTE(eugene jk @ Mar 7 2009, 12:27 AM)

1) Rental : 1.8k to 2.5k..

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eugene,

think 1.8k its a tad too optimistic given current circumstances. wink.gif

However, if the LRT station is really parked in front of the Zest, 2k-3k levels is definitely do-able. Savanna and Seri Maya are great examples smile.gif

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post Mar 7 2009, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(304125 @ Mar 7 2009, 10:21 PM)
hey guys,

I've been following this thread for quite sometimes since i went to the zest sales office at bdr puteri last 2 weeks. Seen like the goddess of luck is standing at the zest side, many good news like lrt, blr drop, 10k for first home purchases?, etc.

Beside the above, wat was really attracted me was the low psf however there are few concern that holding me back.
1) Unknown developer (not famous)
2) High density (720 units = =")
3) Location (the bukit jalil road will be even more congested once the condo built up, it's already damn jam in the morning everyday, with 2 lanes only, if any accident or wat happen, habis la)
4) The salesman, pushing very hard, calling me everyday...(not good to mention the name here)
5) 10% downpayment upon signing s&p (a bit too much for a not so famous developer)
6) have to pay interest during construction(compare to other project which only start paying after the construction end)

So i'm still 50 50 here, cant make the decision.
for those who purchased the zest, i wonder what make you decided to purchase the zest instead of others?

p/s: i planning for own stay.
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my personal take based on what I knew :

1. Hence why its cheaper psf. Also, while developer is a new player, the MD behind the developer is a veteran and have had directorship stints in Malaysia's top 5 developer.

2. Also lead to cheaper price psf and better facilities. And since they have yet to launch the 2nd and 3rd block, chances are the earlier buyers could enjoy significant paper gains few months down the road when they start selling the 2nd and 3rd blok.

Btw, have a look at Seri Maya in Jelatek, thing it has more than 1000 units in single development but subsale price and rentals have remain thumbup.gif

3. LRT will help.

4. No comment.

5. Which was my complaint too especially when most developers are going for the "5% then nothing scheme". But then again, from only rm200psf, the product is very fairly priced hence giving more incentives will hit the developer's bottomline and wont make much sense.

Im betting that Zest blok C will be min 75% sold after monday, and significantly outperform its current competition like Setia Walk, Zen and Atmosfera despite all the incentives given from the other development. A good and fairly priced product will sell by itslef even with no incentive.

6. Same as no.5 above ---> A good and fairly priced product will sell by itslef even with no incentive.


Btw, since u r buying for own stay, what r the other alternatives you have considered beside Zest? wink.gif
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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Mar 8 2009, 09:07 AM)
Hi Pai ..

3 years down the road mah, when all the commercial center are up and running, I foresee the value will be different by then. Aseana being the only good class condo in Puchong also fetching RM1,500 now despite it is built further in of the housing area, plus not so close to propose LRT tongue.gif
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Noted smile.gif

Didnt know that Aseana is doing very well. Quick glance and this what I found out :


To Let PUCHONG ASEANA
PUCHONG ASEANA Puteri Condo 3r2b 1180sf p/f hi-flr 2 carpark, near Giant, RM1250. 019-2236979 / 772 ... ...
Apartment 1,250 08/01/2009

To Let PUCHONG ASEANA
PUCHONG ASEANA Puteri condo 1300sf corner 3r2b kitcab alarm 2c/parks RM1300 Owner welcome Sky Yong ... ...
Apartment 1,300 16/12/2008

To Let PUCHONG ASEANA,
PUCHONG ASEANA, 1300sf 3r+2b condo. Corner unit, kitcab, alarm & 2c/ parks. RM1400. Robert 01631972 ... ...



And this is not even fully furnished tongue.gif This Zest is looking more promising now............wonder if I should get a 2nd unit ? cool2.gif
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post Mar 8 2009, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(304125 @ Mar 8 2009, 01:03 PM)
Thanks for the reply, pai.
3) I don see how the LRT will help as my working place can't be reach by LRT. and with such high density condo, i can foreseen that the jam will be even more worst than now....

Other alternatives, are like atmosphere, zen, setia walk as u mentioned, it's all slightly above my budget...
Still can't make my decision ... still feeling 50 50 ....haiz sad.gif
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Fren, never buy a property simply bcoz of working requirements. A lot of things can happen in your worklife in 4 years. I personally moved between 3 companies in 5 years. Be objective when investing as u want your investment to do well irregardless of where you work smile.gif

Lastly, the developers of Atmosfera, Zen and even Setia Walk are not big players in highrise development (yes, SP Setia a huge in landed developments, but not highrises. Good landed developers doesnt make a good highrise developer, Boustead group is a great example), but these guys r charging a premium based on nothing. My feel is that Zest 2nd block will be priced very close to Atmosfera's and Setia Walk, wait n see wink.gif


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QUOTE(moneybee @ Mar 8 2009, 04:09 PM)
confirm LRT station will be built beside Zest?

Hwow many units left now?

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According to Zest sales staff, yes. They told me there's 1 station to be built just infront of Zest but I suspect it will be built nearby Giant BK9(makes more sense), and that means the station will within 5 min walk from Zest.

Blok A apparently was sold enbloc to Koreans, blok B has yet to be launched, and blok C now should be 60% to 70% sold. smile.gif

Also, heard that developer has considered moving the price up after next week since the proposed ramp will be converted to a underground tunnel instead, hence it would cost more. They already increased the retail units prices last week by 200k.
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0304125 ,

Yes, Im vested. Booked a pool-facing mid floor unit last week after I got confirmation on some very good news related to Zest (unfortunately I cant disclose this just yet tongue.gif )

Yet to sign snp........ smile.gif
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QUOTE(wolfiee @ Mar 8 2009, 08:27 PM)
Pai,
FYI
Someone from Reapfield sales agent (property) told me, there is 1 LRT in Kinrara (near the Giant), which is the same as MPSJ draft town draft plan.
I believe the sales agent (zest) is refering to the attached photo (which is near the Giant shopping complex, not exactly at Zest there) smile.gif

Got 1 sales agent (Zest) telling me the ramp will be built next month (April/09). I doubt it.

For me, hard to believe the sales guy....hehe
So, it is up to us, to believe which "story"... smile.gif
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Hi Wolfie smile.gif

On the ramp :
Think the delay was due to LRT now will be built in between the main road (Puchong - Bukit Jalil) instead of accross the road. So ramp might not happen, under-tunnel will be more likely. Apparently these Trinity guys r still in talks with the Puchong authorities on how to best proceed.

Also, I personally saw the letter issued by Selangor state gov approval for Trinity to start building Zest, provided they meet a set of criterias. One of the criterias was the ramp. Anyone going to check out Zest can get them to show the letter as well wink.gif

On the LRT :
Personally think it doesnt make much sense to build both stations within 1km (Hap Seng and Giant), but stranger things have happen in Selangor tongue.gif It only takes one greedy gov staff and one rich vested fella willing to pay whistling.gif

Anyway, as long as the LRT within 10 minutes walk is good enuff for me. I know from experience that my future expat tenants wont mind walking a bit as long as public transportation exists wink.gif


Added on March 9, 2009, 1:38 am
QUOTE(eugene jk @ Mar 8 2009, 11:56 PM)
But Why only nanyang got the news?? what about other newspaper??  unsure.gif
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maybe bcoz its unofficial, and the exact location has yet to be confirmed.

Once the LRT news is firmed and if the LRT is just minutes away from, watch Zest block B price fly smile.gif



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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Mar 8 2009, 09:21 PM)
user posted image
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Looks like 70% sold smile.gif
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QUOTE(babana @ Mar 9 2009, 11:01 PM)
just booked a unit there for myself today. block c, kl view...level 15. all kl view units are now sold out save for 2 units on level 4 and a few units on level 1 and 2. any forumners who might happen to be my neighbour? smile.gif
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Hi babana, welcome biggrin.gif

Btw, did u manage to get the RM3888 discount when you booked yours?
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QUOTE(babana @ Mar 10 2009, 02:12 AM)
haha, yea...it was after much nego-ing with the sales rep for some time before they relented. coz both me and my sis took a unit each...so we were hoping they could give us a good deal! wink.gif
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Wah 2 units one go, dem keng notworthy.gif


Added on March 10, 2009, 8:32 am
QUOTE(gilabola @ Mar 10 2009, 02:40 AM)
I read here that there's a cemetry and crematorium planned near Zest:

http://www.myrealestate.com.my/viewtopic.p...er=asc&start=75
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quting propcritic from the same forum :

Cemetery no prob for the Zest...further away....all KLCC condos even nearer to a Muslim cemetery behind PBB and SDB. Worry is crematorium but I think protests might prevail against crematorium....bear in mind crematorium is only meant for non-Muslims and across from the proposed plot you have new bungalows occupied by mostly Muslims and big shots, ie.Alam Sutera.


Anyway, its more than 1km away, so it shouldnt be too bad smile.gif

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is it true that TT wants to increase Zest price by 10k? So low?
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QUOTE(walle @ Mar 11 2009, 03:53 PM)
according to the sales, when block b launch gonna up at least 15% but estimate at 20%...
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fantastic stuff if materialize rclxms.gif


So how many units unsold in blok C?
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QUOTE(propcritic @ Mar 12 2009, 01:05 AM)
25% to 35% increase for Block B would be fair given the low price now and they would be spending more if underpass instead of a ramp is to be constructed, but they could throw in a 10:90 scheme...
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think the key here is to have variety of sizes in block B. Throw in some studio's, 2 bedrooms or have some large a** units (1600 sqf etc) That way, we have limited supplies of mid sized 3 bedrooms smile.gif

*wishfull thinking* tongue.gif

anyway, a 25% increase means Zest will be priced at approx rm260psf, still very reasonable IMO with the finishes given smile.gif
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Cherroy sir,

please help merge this thread with the newly renamed Zest thread. Thanks ya smile.gif
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QUOTE(meejawa @ Mar 13 2009, 04:31 PM)
Can someone share the expected COCR based on the prevailing rental around that area (-10%) and 90% loan? This seems to be an interesting place and if the rental market is there, the is a possiblity of equity increase too then this is  thumbup.gif

Who are the target market for rental? For TPM folks there are quite a few nearby eg Riana etc. For Puchong mebe a little far?

Thank you.
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boss, my rough COCR estimation based on 2 scenarios :

1. No LRT at all : A fully furnished 3 bedroom can be rented at RM1.6k --> COCR is 11%

2. Got LRT station within 5 minutes walk : A fully furnished 3 bedroom can be rented at RM2.2k --> COCR is 29%

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*Based on 200k loan at 5% p/a + furnishing cost of RM15k. Might add upon VP rental will suffer as you have approx 300 units competing for tenants.
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QUOTE(meejawa @ Mar 13 2009, 04:31 PM)
there is a possiblity of equity increase too then this is  thumbup.gif
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Personally, think the possibility of equity increase is much better than the rental income tongue.gif

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