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This post has been edited by [XEF]-No Fear.my: Aug 27 2016, 09:14 PM

FsN still maintains a very strong CSS team. Though we have nothing to show for because there is nothing to play for now

In Malaysia there's 2, Kingsurf and U Cpro

Yes, its all about giving and receiving back, think about what FSN could offer another team, and what you would expect in return, be it sponsorship, a website, everyone needs to get something back in return for what they give you, same applies to sponsors, take in account what FSN has achieved, past achievements and future plans into account before starting an organization, its like running a small business. Any Feedback?

XFIRE : simweijiat

My Door is always open, or rather my computer is always on.

Cheers,
Jiat.

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Added on December 8, 2008, 8:45 pmKingsurf is a international and local DOTA team only correct me if i am wrong but they are sponsored by Razer, its a perfect example of whats achievable.

u Cpro i don't quite know about, they don't have an active website running i think.

This post has been edited by [XEF]-No Fear.my: Dec 8 2008, 08:46 PM

Kingsurf pays their players, but they aren't a multigaming.

U C Pro is multigaming I guess, <a href='http://flying spaghetti monster.my/ucpr0/' target='_blank'>http://flying spaghetti monster.my/ucpr0/</a>

EDIT: zzz duno y the webbie bcme flying spaghetti monster. Just Google It™

This post has been edited by [xEF]syNc: Dec 8 2008, 09:06 PM

a good effort, what you're proposing is a lot like CGS, but personally i think it's difficult to implement here because players cannot commit to their gaming 100%. this is point one.

the reason they can't, its because it's not rewarding enough. in M'sia, the only tournament that is rewarding enough is DoTA with the prize money the offier. however, it's not the prize money that sustains the player: sponsorships.

m''sian advertisers are still unaware of the gaming market, partially they are ignorant and partially there isn't sufficient data on the market. only thing is known: gamers are playing from cafes, nothing else is known. another problem is that adults/corporate decision makers still view gaming from a traditional standpoint.

so if there aren't going to be sponsors, it'll be a waste of time for most players. how many teams can attain what Kingsurf achieved? how many of those who didnt, sustain for a full year without sponsors?

CGS had to be closed down because it wasn't profitable. Rupert Murdoch, the media mogul behind CGS wanted to capitalise on pro-gamers before they became very expensive like footballers but i personally think it failed because: there aren't enough viewers. they sell TV programs for a profit, no profit = no cgs.

also, where can u find a person in M'sia who is capable of understanding multiple game rules and mechanics like CoD4, FiFa, NFS and DotA? FYI, until today, i get a little confused by most of what the CoD4 players tell me not that i don't understand, it's due to the fact i don't play CoD4 competitively. but still, i CAN try to understand, as a gamer i know it means to be in their shoes so eventually i understand.

like all the debates on mod discussions, i know it goes... eventhough i may need clarification. this person cannot come from a common managerial background. most m'sian employees are specialist: they know only 1 industry and that's all they'll ever care.

multi-gaming isn't ready. i still think it's better to be consistent first. stick to one game genre, play as much and as hard as you can and lastly don't give up too soon.

someone needs to make the effort and stick to it. it's a chicken and egg scenario, which do U want to be?

just to add on No-Fear's clan listing, most of them were sponsored by principals, i.e. not distributors. most of the products like Steel Series, AMD, ATI Geil, etc are represented only by distributors: sadly they already find it difficult to sell their products let alone sponsor...

This post has been edited by king_kong: Dec 8 2008, 10:31 PM

hi there.. first i introduce my self, i am FFF.Fukai as well the WST leader. what you wan to do here is a good thing NO-Fear but honestly say it will take times. our country M'sia not like european, america, korea, austrilia who already acknowledge gaming as a international sport. moreover the industry of gaming in our country are still in the begininng which i sadly to say.

coperate company doesn't really look at US gamers when we ask them sponsorship since for them, we cant gave them anything in return. TRUE that as for now certain Multiplier clan like ESP, SWL, n even us FFF are sponsor by cyber cafe that those clans always go to. and this attract others gamers to come to their CC to play n have a scrim n so on. but to get a big sponsor from a gaming gear company is hard to do in this country.

I fully support you in doing this and making this a reality. but to do so we (All of us "gamers" ) suppose to fight for it.

as i recall in 2006, the ministry of youth have acknowledge gaming as cyber sports. but they just acknowledge it but there's no action at all. and if it possible i really wan to suggest that those Teams who joining the coming PROLEAGUE will do their best to attract the sponsor who will be there like Asus, razor, and others. the leader should take the chance and sit with their manager at that point of time to convince them to sponsor us.

this is just my opinion on this matter. maybe sound radical but this is for the future of Gamers in M'sia.

Like king kong said you are suggesting another cgs type product well to me cgs killed itself because it has no solid back bone because people do not know what it is trying to be mixture of xbox games and pc games this to me doesn't build strong followers or spectators . Why not go all the way PC gaming ? all the most popular pc games this will attract more pc gamers to the organization well that is what i see .. good luck bro

I don't think he means CGS-style organizations, but rather CLANS with different gaming teams in them. Like say, if SWL were to have SWL*DotA, SWL*CS/CS:S, or SWL*FIFA teams, we would be a multi-gaming organization. =)

FFF would love to, since most of our senior members are from

NFS mostwanted WCG 05 or 06 i forgot.

Fifa same year.

and go to BF2142 and i still go back to it when i got the chance.

and i really like to go back to racing in the future just for fun. ^^v

and personally, this way we can make more professional players in the malaysian gaming scene.

i really love to see players from FFF-Racers to beat someone like liang and forza

but for now i just concentrate on COD4 for a while since it beats playing solo.

This post has been edited by slainemcroth: Dec 9 2008, 04:07 AM

Well, this is what [ESP] Gaming is trying to do.

The main reason [ESP] changed its named to Gaming is solely because we don't only support CoD4.

As per planning, we have one dota team coming up, hopefully soon and maintain 1 CS team, under the same name. Lost in the losers bracket in the semi's to LZ 2 if im not mistaken.

U C Pro's direction is different, they are like Garena, but want to be associated with the best teams in Malaysia, they are more of a gaming company rather than a gaming clan.

Yes we plan to venture into other games, RA3 perhaps or L4D if they come into the picture.

Our clan spans 40 people, including supports with 4 teams in COD4. As years go by, when the community is strong by itself, the number of teams will reduce but our participation will widen towards other games (since we were brought together not just by the interest of COD4, most of us also play other games such as dota, c&c, fifa competitively)

Sponsors wise, we currently are looking for some, but honestly speaking, its hard to sponsor 4 teams. It is also hard for companies outside of the industry to give sponsorship, like king kong said.



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This post has been edited by Holyboyz: Dec 9 2008, 04:18 AM

Well guys what im suggesting a CGS style type thing, CGS players get payed etc etc and are highly professional, all im suggesting and what im suggesting is totally achievable and possible, all im suggesting is a multi-gaming clan be established, and that team pickup a few teams that are good in different games, not keep 1 lineup for a few games. It would be good for sponsorship and publicity because if these teams are good they would promote the sponsors and clan brand in the different game communities etc, Crash, Slain and Grr definately have the right idea, sponsorship would be really easy for a multi-gaming team, like getting multiple servers from Narakka or something, and Blitzone or a cybercafe for a LAN sponsor etc. Im happy to organise a clan leaders meeting next next week when i return to malaysia, any questions, please feel free.

This post has been edited by [XEF]-No Fear.my: Dec 9 2008, 09:18 AM

they should really introduce 2v2 racing games..

If this model has been succesful in US, EU and AU, it is possible that it may work in SEA or Asia in fact. But timing and reception by the overall public may take time, after all, asians and caucasians do hav different views/tolerance/culture on gaming.

Meantime, it wouldn't hurt that clans start to establish themselves as a multigaming organisation. At the same time, tournaments that support multi gaming would further support the growth of such org. In a way, i think Death is working towards that direction wif d potential 2009 events.

Cheers.

This post has been edited by xxWraitHxx: Dec 9 2008, 11:39 AM

would be great for teams to start establishing themselves as multi-gaming, come on guys tell everyone about this topic, vote as well!

after reading some of the comments, a multi-gaming clan can work, but getting the people to commit is the problem.

also, to No-Fear, mind sharing how these multi gaming clans are managed, both in players, training and finances?

Hey Mate,

Professional Multi-Gaming Team Tips and Requirements :

1) Marketable and Professional Name & Tag.

-Suitable : Encore, Immunity, Sublime, Pandemic, Fnatic.
-Not Suitable : Sharks With Lasers, SeXer, Eat Sleep Play (no offense is intended).
-Player names : Any player names which are unprofessional are unsuitable such as "d1ugun" should not be used and changed immediately (no offense is intended).

2) Professional Management Roster :

-General Manager.
-Sponsorship Manager.
-Web Manager/ Publicity.
-Team Division Leaders.

3) Respected Teams within Organization :

-Professional and well respected/organized team within the general E-Sport Community.
-Preferably teams which can offer something different and unique to the Organization (eg: former achievements/reputation).
-Teams with 5-7 MEMBERS ONLY (5 Core Team, 2 Reserve) (Your trying to organize and establish a professional Organization not a community) (No Professional Multi-Gaming teams have more than 7 in their active Lineup).
-Players acting professionally within the community not doing anything to compromise the organization.
-A stern and strict managerial perspective within the Organization not tolerating player behavior problems etc etc.

4) Brand Promoting within the community :

-Professional looking website with player/organization information such as sponsors, about us, roster, gallery Section.
-Professional Teams with respect within the community promoting the Organization throughout their different games with player tags.
-Clan T-Shirts/Products branding the organization and sponsors.

5) Sponsorship :

-Generally Professional proposals to Sponsors, explaining the goals and skills of your organization, information, past achievements, offering them a mention on the website, community forums basically branding them in the community using their name in tags eg: (iM intel obez, x5 spach ATi) (Sponsors normally only sponsor 6-7 players each team).
- Giving and Receiving Concept.
-http://team.sublimepcgear.com.au/ that website is a perfect example of a professional website.

6) Training :

-Clan division leaders are normally in charge of training and managing within their own team, their progress within the community and the game being constantly watched over by the General Manager (GM)

7) Finance :

-LAN cafe sponsor's would benefit the LAN based teams by sponsoring T-Shirts and paying for Registration Fees, but generally the more your team is known in the community, finances are normally covered by the Sponsors, generally you could write in a request and they will be reviewed.
-As for a ventrilo and online servers : approaching Narakka or Fragnetics or a server company with a good proposal would be sufficient.

Thats what i have so far, take a look and read through it, tell me what u think.


Yours,
Wei Jiat "jiaat" Sim.

This post has been edited by [XEF]-No Fear.my: Dec 9 2008, 02:25 PM

what's:
- Giving and Receiving Concept.

You must give something to your sponsor in order to get something back for example : branding their name on your website,tags,forum,xfire all the small things like these, winning tournaments. and in return they provide mouses or mousepads, or discounts, you MUST give them a reason to SPONSOR you, and THEY tell u what they expect, "what you give is what you get back".

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Added on December 9, 2008, 2:38 pmI will be making my return to Malaysia in the next 1-2 weeks, i will be hanging around Blitzone alot but i would like to set up a Malaysian Cod Community Team Leader's meeting, although im not a leader of any clans at the moment i would like to share my ideas with the leaders and people who matter most and make decisions in the community, please do post here if your team is interested in attending.

Teams Attending the Meeting :

-Date and Time : TBA.

-Location : Blitzone.

-Teams Attending :

-TBA


Teams Behind My Idea of Multigaming :

1) FFF (Through Warlock)

2) FSN (Through Fusion)

This post has been edited by [XEF]-No Fear.my: Dec 9 2008, 02:51 PM