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 [Discussion] How to Improve the iPhone Forums?, Serious Discussion. Please Contribute.

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post Dec 8 2008, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(Maverick Wil @ Dec 8 2008, 05:07 PM)
True but another fact is the mod is not as active as the forum. It would be nicer if everyone chipped in a bit of common sense and helpfulness. That way we don't have to rely too much on the mod all the time. It's not like we pay him to do his job. He can only do so much. I get what you are trying to say anyways. It is in an unfortunate way more realistic as to what I'm trying to advocate. tongue.gif
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unfortunately, this is a public forum. anyone can register, anyone can post. there's no restriction. a mod is a must, gaining access to moderate a post or topic, or even give warnings and temporary silence or even banning. there's no other way, you simply can't stop anyone posting anything.

i don't expect mod to be active all the time. like, login once everyday, for 10 mins. or, login every 2 days, and moderate topics everytime he/she login. if the current mod is not too active, vote another one.

from my experiences, there're no other way other than moderators. smile.gif
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post Dec 8 2008, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(Maverick Wil @ Dec 8 2008, 03:45 PM)
Hey that's pretty cool. How are you going to go about doing it?
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again u did not read my post dry.gif
i did said might can ask the developer of this forum, which is wkkay i suppose to help out with this 1....
TSMaverick Wil
post Dec 8 2008, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(CooLeRthings @ Dec 8 2008, 06:34 PM)
again u did not read my post dry.gif
i did said might can ask the developer of this forum, which is wkkay i suppose to help out with this 1....
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sad.gif But but but... I was asking jimnuz as in how is he going to code it or what not. Hey no fair. tongue.gif
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post Dec 8 2008, 09:06 PM

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i got one excellent suggestion. now with the help of ajax. by typing in the "Subject" field in the new post. you can display an autocomplete box which searches iphone dummies post for relevant terms. if the subject has a 80% match in the search , then the poster will be denied from posting and instead redirected to the relevant post.

of course this will require modification in the forum system itself. but its very plausible and the technology is there.

i done several ajax applications before, and this is not hard to achieve.
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post Dec 8 2008, 09:17 PM

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That would be a very cool function. It would work even better if forumers post clear understandable topic titles as well. LYN Internet 2.0 ...hear hear
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post Dec 8 2008, 10:07 PM

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This issue has been discussed many times if I'm not mistaken.

but the problem is still going.
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post Dec 8 2008, 10:15 PM

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So it is time to actually put the discussions into action. On my side, I am working on the new iPhone Guide (Dummies) and will be doing so for the next few days. Hopefully the new guide will be more accessible and even clearer to understand. With that hope people will come to rely on self help rather being spoonfed. I don't reckon a lot of forumers purposely make the mistakes ...just that they are not aware of the resources in place because the information is not organised to it's maximum potential. A lot of the newcomers realise this once we point them to the right resource and proceed to close their threads accordingly. This is based on my personal observation.

I sincerely hope that those who have spoken out thus far can follow through to implement their fantastic ideas.

We can't expect 0% mistakes but at least we can try to minimise the problem. I see a lot of regulars stop coming by already because the forum has failed to provide a good enough user experience due to so many repeated mistakes being committed.

This post has been edited by Maverick Wil: Dec 8 2008, 10:17 PM
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post Dec 8 2008, 10:23 PM

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a lot of them reg-in, post new thread and gone.

all we can do is hit the report button.
done.
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post Dec 8 2008, 10:26 PM

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ha ha. then we will labeled as a moderator wannabe!


anyway i cannot give a tiny rat a$$ about this subforum anymore. the only reason that i'm still patronising here is because i'm bored and it's a habit to do so.
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post Dec 8 2008, 10:38 PM

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That's usually how the regulars start disappearing eh bro nokia. The annoyance sets in and you also eventually get sick of it all. tongue.gif
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post Dec 8 2008, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(Maverick Wil @ Dec 8 2008, 10:15 PM)
I see a lot of regulars stop coming by already because the forum has failed to provide a good enough user experience due to so many repeated mistakes being committed.
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QUOTE(nokia2003 @ Dec 8 2008, 10:26 PM)
anyway i cannot give a tiny rat a$$ about this subforum anymore. the only reason that i'm still patronising here is because i'm bored and it's a habit to do so.
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QUOTE(Maverick Wil @ Dec 8 2008, 10:38 PM)
That's usually how the regulars start disappearing eh bro nokia. The annoyance sets in and you also eventually get sick of it alltongue.gif
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My sentiments exactly! Plus other niggling issues like glorifying jailbreaking and ridiculing/belittling those who wanted to stay virgin. But since I belong in the minority here, I chose to zip it and watch from the distance. Lazy already explaining and talking about it ,over and over and over again.
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post Dec 9 2008, 01:50 AM

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QUOTE(Maverick Wil @ Dec 8 2008, 10:38 PM)
That's usually how the regulars start disappearing eh bro nokia. The annoyance sets in and you also eventually get sick of it all.  tongue.gif
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Yes... when you tried to be kind to lend out your hands, and eventually you are being labelled as "MOD Wannabe"... ON and OFF you will feel uncomfortable and irrespect from others... I don't you neither of us would like to be labelled or quoted as that, will ya ?

Moreover, the very first issue happened here is, nobody even care to look at the PINNED thread
even it is full of very useful information.

To me personally, it is all about individual's mentality and their own mindsets... other than that, none of us could do much about it.

Btw... subject with quote such as [ Help ], [ Urgent ], [ Guide ] and etc. is very useful and looks neat for forumers to find/search.
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post Dec 9 2008, 04:53 AM

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im here only to help and gain information.
nothing more nothing less.
and im here 24 hours reading dilemma day by day, poor soul seeking help and so on without even replying anything only if necessary.
we help people here and they should help them self too.

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post Dec 9 2008, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(gengstapo @ Dec 8 2008, 01:35 AM)
hmm maybe can ask mods to delete those irrelevant threads/ questions by n00b that never do homeworks?

it can prevent from innocent user being flamed.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Gengstapo,

Excellent suggestion, I actually find myself reading less and less in this iphone forum at lowyat.net. Just a few quick draw flamer on the loose but I am glad that there are a lot more GREAT SIFU thumbup.gif around.

Yes I know that the forum must be regulated but isn't that the job of the moderator. How does one rate a new posting being a STUPID question, SILLY question.

It maybe silly or 100% STUPID to some but NOT to some newbies who just heard about lowyat.net and maybe a first time forum users, I believe may not know how to navigate a forum properly so how do we expect so much from them. I too myself have even open new thread that in less than a minutes was told that AHEM.... AIYAH MAN this one already talk about lah... why YOU OPEN NEW THREAD..... for me I manage to close the posting but for some they do not even know how to close it then many more jumps in and on and on it goes. Isn't that just as bad as opening a new thread.

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now Iphone 2G firmware 2.2 and it is GREAT






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post Dec 9 2008, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(jackdon @ Dec 9 2008, 09:36 AM)
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in other word, we're going round and round and still back to the initial point - we still need an active mod, or at least 2 mods to share the effort. sweat.gif

anyway i haven't been active in this forum for a while, so i wonder since when the mod-wannabe thing happened. for me, i'd vote some of the senior member as a mod. smile.gif
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QUOTE(CooLeRthings @ Dec 8 2008, 02:02 AM)
actually... wonder the developer of this forum (wkkay i think?) put out an extra feature on the topic
which is blinking!!!
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No thanks, blinkenlights will look tacky.

I'll be watching this topic, so keep your suggestions pouring forwards smile.gif
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post Dec 9 2008, 04:20 PM

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I think a subsection for Help & Support is needed so that the General discussion section will be clean from spams/flames/annoying questions ..

And in such way, user who likes to read interesting stuff like me will not have to go thru tons of pain-in-the-ass topics that have been asked a zillions times ..
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post Dec 9 2008, 05:23 PM

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gud luck guys..i'll be watching n waiting..
although im no sifus,,but me too,now not active in this forum..only once in a while to on..thats why im outdated to upgrade to 2.2.
sry if my reply is not useful enough as a suggestion.
im just giving my views..
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post Dec 9 2008, 07:38 PM

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It feels more and more like a "Kaunter Pertanyaan" or "Apple Unofficial iPhone Helpdesk" than a discussion forum (and places for drama swasta). A forum is a place of discussion and information sharing but what I can see now, people come, ask question, demand for a quick answer and cabut faster that a speeding bullet without contributing back or reporting back the result.

The attitude of 'Noobs' where they want fast answers but don't want to read the pinned thread first is the main issue. Malaysians (most of it) are just plain lazy when it comes to reading.



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post Dec 9 2008, 07:49 PM

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Wah.. so tired read the 2 page comment and suggestion..

@Maverick Wil

IMO, to improve this iphone forum, u must :

1. List down the major problem happen before thats causing this forum to make changing for improvement. For example: to many FAQ thread open (maybe).

2. After listing down, then we can discuss on how to settle it 1 by 1. (how to give opinion without knowing the problem)

3. And after that we can find the solution to change the system or anything.

Just giving my opinion.


Added on December 9, 2008, 7:51 pmMalaysians (most of it) are just plain lazy when it comes to reading. <-- including me. smile.gif


Added on December 9, 2008, 7:53 pmProblem 1: People lazy to read

This post has been edited by Buzza: Dec 9 2008, 07:53 PM

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