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tanleeseng
post Dec 4 2008, 11:44 AM

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This might be slightly out of context but related never the less. IMHO the best LCD TV for gaming purpose are the ones with both Full HD (1080p) and 100/120Hz refresh rate. Both features play an important role in image quality depending on the user preferences/requirements. Still images benefit from Full HD while fast moving images (sports,games..action movie) will benefit from the high refresh rate. The difference between a Full HD & HD Ready LCD is not that noticable on a 32" unless you have really good eyes or be really nitpicking about it (It's a different story on a 50"+ though as there are less jagged lines). A 100/120Hz refresh display panel improves the picture quality by creating extra frames so sometimes even on a HD ready with 100/120Hz when a fast moving object is displayed it will be much clearer compared to a blur motion on a Full HD display without 100/120Hz. In conclusion if you have the budget go for both Full HD & 100/120Hz panel. If not I would suggest go Full HD for general viewing (Blu-ray,DVD) purpose and 100/120Hz panel for sports/action movie/gaming.
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post Dec 4 2008, 11:48 AM

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Don't mean to question your statement but 60Hz/100Hz/120Hz all looks too identical to me sweat.gif My eyes can't catch up with higher refresh rates I guess blush.gif
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post Dec 4 2008, 11:54 AM

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I usually rely on the link that provided in the earlier page.

At this point, my opinion is that any alleged noticeable difference is subjective. You can say there is a difference ALL YOU WANT, but if the other person doesn't see it then it doesn't exist.

Basically I'm all for 1080p sets - but since the distance quoted in the link is what the average user does, I'm still not really convinced. If however, it works for you, then by all means continue to do so. My eyes aren't that sharp to notice minute differences on a 32" screen.

I'm saving up for a 50" for that tongue.gif
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post Dec 4 2008, 04:36 PM

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most importantly.. check your budget before buying one... poor man's setup is never better than a rich man's setup biggrin.gif
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post Dec 4 2008, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(unrealweapon @ Dec 4 2008, 04:36 PM)
most importantly.. check your budget before buying one... poor man's setup is never better than a rich man's setup biggrin.gif
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Haha, what you say is true also. rclxms.gif This I strongly agree.
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post Dec 4 2008, 10:25 PM

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of coz this comparison is flawed from the beginning.. I doubt there is a true 720p TV in the local market (unless you are using 720p projector)... more like 1366x768 for the current crop of panels

any one who knows LCD monitors and computers knows is best to drive the resolution same as your LCDs native resolution to get the optimal effect....

so driving 1280x720 (720p) data into a 1366x768 LCD panel is bound to have up-scaling and alisiang artifacts...

finally who also will know it's better to go with more resolution if have to choose between a HDready 1366x768 vs 1920x1080p TV panel...
it's really a matter of costs and how much you willing to fork out.. tongue.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Dec 4 2008, 10:25 PM)
of coz this comparison is flawed from the beginning.. I doubt there is a true 720p TV in the local market (unless you are using 720p projector)... more like 1366x768 for the current crop of panels

any one who knows LCD monitors and computers knows is best to drive the resolution same as your LCDs native resolution to get the optimal effect....

so driving 1280x720 (720p) data into a 1366x768 LCD panel is bound to have up-scaling and alisiang artifacts...

finally who also will know it's better to go with more resolution if have to choose between a HDready 1366x768 vs  1920x1080p TV panel...
it's really a matter of costs and how much you willing to fork out.. tongue.gif  biggrin.gif
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Bro, the argument here is on 32" panels (HD READY vs FULL HD). If you are aware, there's a lot of folks that says both panel don't make much difference due to the small panel size. I stand by my word that 32" FULL HD TV does make a lot of difference in gaming compared to 32" HD READY TV provided the games are able to run at 1080P. nod.gif
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post Dec 4 2008, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Dec 4 2008, 10:36 PM)
Bro, the argument here is on 32" panels (HD READY vs FULL HD). If you are aware, there's a lot of folks that says both panel don't make much difference due to the small panel size. I stand by my word that 32" FULL HD TV does make a lot of difference in gaming compared to 32" HD READY TV provided the games are able to run at 1080P.  nod.gif
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well it comes down to how far you sitting back to be able to see the difference... why do you think 24 inch LCD monitors got 1920x1080p or more, cos you are like 1-1.5feet away..
also as you said, the source (in this case the game) needs to be 1080p originally... how frequent is that? (not taking sides but I'm sure some folks derived their simplistic conclusion from playing many normal 720p games hence they feel not much improvement over HD ready TVs)

so it also depends on your "source collection" of viewing materials and games.
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post Dec 4 2008, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Dec 4 2008, 11:16 PM)
well it comes down to how far you sitting back to be able to see the difference... why do you think 24 inch LCD monitors got 1920x1080p or more, cos you are like 1-1.5feet away..
also as you said, the source (in this case the game) needs to be 1080p originally... how frequent is that? (not taking sides but I'm sure some folks derived their simplistic conclusion from playing many normal 720p games hence they feel not much improvement over HD ready TVs)

so it also depends on your "source collection" of viewing materials and games.
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some folks derived their simplistic conclusion from playing many normal 720p games hence they feel not much improvement over HD ready TVs


I agree on the bold statement rclxms.gif

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post Dec 5 2008, 01:18 AM

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hehe sure mah!... if all you have is 720p sources from video and games.. then getting we wont really gain much more image definition moving up to 1080p screens smile.gif
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post Dec 5 2008, 12:16 PM

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it all depends on your distance from the screen, if i were put my face in front of (or touching) any screen, i would gladly differentiate full hd and super ultra hd, IF BOTH pixel are of different color (or subcolor watever).

so full hd matters to ppl who sits nearer than 4 feet / 1.2 meters from the screen but not to the person / ppl who actually sits further from it.

of course, its really not recommended to sit so near to the screen. so u get wat i mean, dont take it like a text book. =)
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Dec 3 2008, 09:14 PM)
Mine is 720P. I bought it cos of those 'sinkalan' forummers simply saying that 32" FULL HD LCD TV don't make much difference. sad.gif
That is why I am creating this thread to advise others before buying a LCD TV
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wat is sinkalan??

and i try google the model 32LG53FR-TD
but seems i only getting reply with some ancient like thai word only
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post Dec 9 2008, 02:25 AM

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Here is the 32" LG Full HD technical details.

http://www.in.lge.com/Product/Products-Det...&subcat=LG%2053

I just receive news that this model is currently selling below RM2k now !!

I just hook my PC and play COD:WaW at 1920x1080, the result is simply stunning !!

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post Dec 9 2008, 10:44 AM

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Is there a difference between 32" Full HD and HD Ready....of course there is a difference!!! The resolution is different. But can anyone tell the difference from 7ft to 10ft away? The answer is no unless you pause the screen and go close up to 1ft-2ft to examine it So there is no difference when it comes actual picture quality during NORMAL viewing.

I know that a lot of people here are playing their PS3 using 32" LCD like 3 to 5 feet away from the screen but that is just too close. This are TV and you don't sit right in front like you do with your PC monitor.

Do you watch Tv from 5ft distance only? I suppose not. Most people sit at least 10ft away from their TV.

One last thing...just play the damn game and stop staring to find if there is any jaggies!



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post Dec 9 2008, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Dec 9 2008, 10:44 AM)
Is there a difference between 32" Full HD and HD Ready....of course there is a difference!!!  The resolution is different.  But can anyone tell the difference from 7ft to 10ft away?  The answer is no unless you pause the screen and go close up to 1ft-2ft to examine it  So there is no difference when it comes actual picture quality during NORMAL viewing. 

I know that a lot of people here are playing their PS3 using 32" LCD like 3 to 5 feet away from the screen but that is just too close.  This are TV and you don't sit right in front like you do with your PC monitor.

Do you watch Tv from 5ft distance only?  I suppose not.  Most people sit at least 10ft away from their TV.

One last thing...just play the damn game and stop staring to find if there is any jaggies!
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post Dec 9 2008, 11:44 AM

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1080i vs. 1080p

That is the main question.

Interlaced vs. Progessive.

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"Latest generation video game consoles such as Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3 are able to display 1080p through Component video and HDMI ports (HDMI 1.2 and HDMI 1.3a respectively). On the Xbox 360, the games that aren't rendered natively at 1080p can easily be upscaled to 1080p."

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post Dec 9 2008, 01:54 PM

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I sit 3~5 feet away coz I'm using it in my room. If you wanna go Full HD on your living room, please go for at least 40"++, 32" Full HD is not for you if you're planning to use it in your living room with at least 7~10 feet away.

Don't say I'll go blind watching my TV so near, I don't care, I love the extra detail.

To me, it is like a big computer monitor @_@
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post Dec 9 2008, 02:09 PM

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To see the difference, i'd guess games that CAN display 1080P natively, then there should be difference.

Otherwise, most games will certainly scale it down to 720P.


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post Dec 9 2008, 02:20 PM

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GT5 Prologue @ 1080p
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post Dec 10 2008, 07:41 PM

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Other game is Metal Gear Solid 4...

Full HD...

But i think better wait for PS4 for Full HD game...

In 10 year in the future...

TQ

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