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TSThrust
post Dec 3 2008, 10:33 AM, updated 17y ago

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I thought of clearing this myth. As most of you guys are pretty much aware, lots of people commented that FULL HDTV at screen size of 32" does not make much/if not any difference compared to a HD READY TV. I do agree to a certain extent. If we were to watch HD movies, 720P vs 1080P really don't make much difference on a 32" LCD TV. Though there's difference, it's hard to notice.

When it comes to GAMING, 1080P really shows it's potential. A person can really notice the difference between 720P vs 1080P resolution. I've actually tested a 1080P title (Grand Turismo 5 Prologue) on my 22" DELL HDMI monitor as well as my friend's 32" FULL HD TV. The difference is very obvious compared to a HD READY TV. The speedometer has less jagged lines, has smoother edge and crispier.

Although the downside is, there aren't many game ttiles out there that supports 1080P output thus not maximizing FULL HDTV's potential in gaming.

To all those 'sinkalan' out there, please explain properly before giving advise to new LCD TV buyers. Do not simply mention that 32" FULL HDTV is useless.

*I do expect some guys will flame me since what I am saying goes against some guys here in the forum. But hey! I've actually tested it on a 32"FULL HDTV, 32" HD READY TV and a 22" DELL HDMI monitor. wink.gif

This post has been edited by Thrust: Dec 3 2008, 10:39 AM
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post Dec 3 2008, 10:37 AM

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Even in XMB itself you can see it is so much sharper in the fonts in 1080p compare to 720p on my 32" LG Series 53 Full HD TV

I agree the difference is HUGE on Gran Turismo 5 Prologue between 1080p and 720p, but not that noticeable on playing bluray movies.

The viewing distance also plays a role here, as I usually view my TV 3~4 feet away instead of the recommended 5feet+ for 32ers coz it is in my room.

If you're getting a 32" for your living room where typical viewing distance is at least 6 feet away, then normal 32" HD Ready should be enough.

It all boils down to whether or not you will want to throw another extra RM500 to get a full HD 32", as HD Ready 32" can get around RM1.7k wheres the cheapest 32" Full HD which is LG is at around 2.1k, followed by Samsung Series 5 RM2.6k+ and lastly Sony W RM3.4k+



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post Dec 3 2008, 10:41 AM

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I'm always in the school that resolutions do make difference regardless of screen size. Try playing 800 x 600 on a 17" CRT, then switch to 1024 x 768 using the same monitor and tell me there's no difference nod.gif
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post Dec 3 2008, 10:44 AM

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so which one considered the best??? the most worthit money can buy??

full hd?? HDMI monitor??? HD ready TV??
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post Dec 3 2008, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Dec 3 2008, 10:41 AM)
I'm always in the school that resolutions do make difference regardless of screen size. Try playing 800 x 600 on a 17" CRT, then switch to 1024 x 768 using the same monitor and tell me there's no difference nod.gif
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Try playing movie on your CRT using 800x600 and 1024x768 but sitting 5 feets away, then one can tell there is not much of a noticeable difference.

Again, viewing distance is a major factor here.

More on viewing distance: http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/

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post Dec 3 2008, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(mantiz125 @ Dec 3 2008, 10:44 AM)
so which one considered the best??? the most worthit money can buy??

full hd??  HDMI monitor??? HD ready TV??
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No matter what TV you are getting, always consider these 4:
1. Budget
2. Viewing distance
3. Viewing environment
4. Purpose


Added on December 3, 2008, 10:49 am
QUOTE(tanghm @ Dec 3 2008, 10:45 AM)
Try playing movie on your CRT using 800x600 and 1024x768 but sitting 5 feets away, then one can tell there is not much of a noticeable difference.

Again, viewing distance is a major factor here.

More on viewing distance: http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/
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I can't believe someone will play game on a 17' CRT sitting more than 5 feet away from the monitor doh.gif If someone actually does, he/she ought to be gunned down doh.gif

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post Dec 3 2008, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Dec 3 2008, 10:46 AM)
No matter what TV you are getting, always consider these 4:
1. Budget
2. Viewing distance
3. Viewing environment
4. Purpose


Added on December 3, 2008, 10:49 am
I can't believe someone will play game on a 17' CRT sitting more than 5 feet away from the monitor doh.gif If someone actually does, he/she ought to be gunned down doh.gif
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unless his/her eyes got like eagle eye doh.gif
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post Dec 3 2008, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Dec 3 2008, 10:46 AM)
No matter what TV you are getting, always consider these 4:
1. Budget
2. Viewing distance
3. Viewing environment
4. Purpose


Added on December 3, 2008, 10:49 am
I can't believe someone will play game on a 17' CRT sitting more than 5 feet away from the monitor doh.gif If someone actually does, he/she ought to be gunned down doh.gif
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That's the point, computer monitor are meant to be viewed 1 feet away while TV are meant to be viewed few feets away at least that is why viewing distance is a factor when choosing LCD TV to be Full HD or not.
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post Dec 3 2008, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(tanghm @ Dec 3 2008, 12:25 PM)
That's the point, computer monitor are meant to be viewed 1 feet away while TV are meant to be viewed few feets away at least that is why viewing distance is a factor when choosing LCD TV to be Full HD or not.
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True true nod.gif I guess that's the whole point of this thread
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post Dec 3 2008, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Dec 3 2008, 10:33 AM)
I thought of clearing this myth. As most of you guys are pretty much aware, lots of people commented that FULL HDTV at screen size of 32" does not make much/if not any difference compared to a HD READY TV. I do agree to a certain extent. If we were to watch HD movies, 720P vs 1080P really don't make much difference on a 32" LCD TV. Though there's difference, it's hard to notice.

When it comes to GAMING, 1080P really shows it's potential. A person can really notice the difference between 720P vs 1080P resolution. I've actually tested a 1080P title (Grand Turismo 5 Prologue) on my 22" DELL HDMI monitor as well as my friend's 32" FULL HD TV. The difference is very obvious compared to a HD READY TV. The speedometer has less jagged lines, has smoother edge and crispier. 

Although the downside is, there aren't many game ttiles out there that supports 1080P output thus not maximizing FULL HDTV's potential in gaming.

To all those 'sinkalan' out there, please explain properly before giving advise to new LCD TV buyers. Do not simply mention that 32" FULL HDTV is useless.

*I do expect some guys will flame me since what I am saying goes against some guys here in the forum. But hey! I've actually tested it on a 32"FULL HDTV, 32" HD READY TV and a 22" DELL HDMI monitor.  wink.gif
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if there's not much games that support 1080p natively, how can it be useful?


QUOTE(tanghm @ Dec 3 2008, 10:45 AM)
Try playing movie on your CRT using 800x600 and 1024x768 but sitting 5 feets away, then one can tell there is not much of a noticeable difference.

Again, viewing distance is a major factor here.

More on viewing distance: http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/
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from that link:
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What the chart shows is that, for a 50-inch screen, the benefits of 720p vs. 480p start to become apparent at viewing distances closer than 14.6 feet and become fully apparent at 9.8 feet. For the same screen size, the benefits of 1080p vs. 720p start to become apparent when closer than 9.8 feet and become full apparent at 6.5 feet. In my opinion, 6.5 feet is closer than most people will sit to their 50" plasma TV (even through the THX recommended viewing distance for a 50" screen is 5.6 ft). So, most consumers will not be able to see the full benefit of their 1080p TV.
so even for 50" we need to sit 6.5 to see clearly the difference.

whats the viewing distance for you guys that using 32"?

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post Dec 3 2008, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(tanghm @ Dec 3 2008, 10:37 AM)

It all boils down to whether or not you will want to throw another extra RM500 to get a full HD 32", as HD Ready 32" can get around RM1.7k wheres the cheapest 32" Full HD which is LG is at around 2.1k, followed by Samsung Series 5 RM2.6k+ and lastly Sony W RM3.4k+
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which model number of the lg full hd are you refering to ? the scarlet series ? 32LG60 ? If this is the model you're referring to, then its full-Hd internationally but not in Malaysia. Here it is just HD ready.


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post Dec 3 2008, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 3 2008, 02:50 PM)
if there's not much games that support 1080p natively, how can it be useful?
from that link:
so even for 50" we need to sit 6.5 to see clearly the difference.

whats the viewing distance for you guys that using 32"?
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I am sitting like 6 feet away from the screen on a 32" and the difference is obvious.

Ya, agree that not much games supports 1080P currently but future there should be more titles that supports 1080P. This thread was created merely to let potential buyers know that 720P vs 1080P resolution in gaming offers huge differences.
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post Dec 3 2008, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 3 2008, 02:50 PM)
if there's not much games that support 1080p natively, how can it be useful?
from that link:
so even for 50" we need to sit 6.5 to see clearly the difference.

whats the viewing distance for you guys that using 32"?
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So you agree 1080p on a 32" is a no brainer?
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post Dec 3 2008, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(cresstt @ Dec 3 2008, 03:13 PM)
which model number of the lg full hd are you refering to ? the scarlet series ? 32LG60 ? If this is the model you're referring to, then its full-Hd internationally but not in Malaysia. Here it is just HD ready.
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32LG53FR-TD

Here is the picture of the model number, later you say this model doesn't exist.
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That is the model number, not series 60 but series 53.

Those who say 1080p on 32" is useless perhaps they have never seen it in action before !!

I am viewing it in 3~5 feet away.

For PS3 games, 1080p games are beneficial because PS3 have no Anti-Aliasing support thus those games currently on 720p have very ugly jagged edges which are clearly noticeable. Take GT5P for example, the jagges lines are very obvious on 720p mode compare to 1080p, you can clearly see the difference even on a 32" Full HD

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QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Dec 3 2008, 03:17 PM)
So you agree 1080p on a 32" is a no brainer?
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i have my doubts.


QUOTE(tanghm @ Dec 3 2008, 04:14 PM)
For PS3 games, 1080p games are beneficial because PS3 have no Anti-Aliasing support thus those games currently on 720p have very ugly jagged edges which are clearly noticeable. Take GT5P for example, the jagges lines are very obvious on 720p mode compare to 1080p, you can clearly see the difference even on a 32" Full HD
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so 1080p display on 32" only beneficial for ps3 owner?

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post Dec 3 2008, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 3 2008, 08:42 PM)
i have my doubts.
so 1080p display on 32" only beneficial for ps3 owner?
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Nop! If XBOX 360 is able to support 1080P natively, it will benefit XBOX360 too tongue.gif
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What is your LCD monitor native res again? (refering to original poster)
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QUOTE(gnome @ Dec 3 2008, 09:10 PM)
What is your LCD monitor native res again? (refering to original poster)
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Mine is 720P. I bought it cos of those 'sinkalan' forummers simply saying that 32" FULL HD LCD TV don't make much difference. sad.gif
That is why I am creating this thread to advise others before buying a LCD TV
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post Dec 4 2008, 08:33 AM

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hello all.. before we kick the ball around, can someone post some pics of the actual screen shots with camera off a 32" FULL HD(not 1080p but support 1080p) vs a 22" Dell hdmi monitor.

even i play Burnout Paradise, 720p on my 32" clearly shows some jagged lines.. when i switch to 1080p , jagged line is lesser but hardly noticeable when everything is fast.

im using a Bravia 32S400A.. some regrets buying it.. but not gonna change it.. yet.

is satisfy my needs for being wide screen to view wide screen videos while with some enjoyable gaming sessions. it's a pain if all u guys want is no jagged lines bla bla bla... get a full HD 1080p LCD instead

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post Dec 4 2008, 09:47 AM

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Your Sony S 32" supports 1080p input but scaled down the image to 720p resolution.

Thrust's Sharp Aquous completely shows No Signal when 1080p is used as input.

So based on your experience, the jagged lines indeed are less noticeable even on 1366x720 resolution displaying a scaled down 1080p input.

This post has been edited by tanghm: Dec 4 2008, 09:50 AM

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