I had frens studyin matriks n A level n i myself studyin F6 now... They always complain to me how hard A level n matriks is, n i told them i shud be de one complaining coz STPM is hardest n they said same level....

is it true??

Btw, I had heard rumours tat STPM is de top 5 hardest pre-u exam in de world, isit true? can show me any proof?

i think it's getting easier by the year.....back in the 80s and 90s, very hard...

maybe STPM

STPM > A-levels > Matriks

But syllabus almoz de same....how to say STPM scope is wider?

STPM: wider scope, wider information, slightly easier than A-level questions
A-level: narrower scope, less information, picky and "very-hard-to-guess" and "think-a-lot" questions
matriculation: wider scope, less information, much easier questions

This post has been edited by IamjustME: Nov 27 2008, 08:27 PM

STPM 100% harder..no need discuss..between A level and matriks i think is A levels

I think stpm is easier than spm .

maybe because I change from science stream to arts stream in form 6.

Not sure about A-level but I'm sure that STPM is harder than Matriks (unless they changed the syllabus), and got much lesser chance to secure a place in IPTA. I am from STPM and have some friends who are from matirks, we did compare before.

Cannot be...
I'm from science stream and stayed in science stream in form 6, SPM looks easier no matter how I look at at it, maybe it's just me.

no it's not just you. i was a pure science student all the way till A levels, also realized SPM is really, well, a piece of cake

i really look highly on those who did stpm. it's harder. plus got the pengetahuan subject to take. the finals are only once after 2 years studying. so, imagine, like spm la. studying finals for subjects taken 2 years.

i did my matrix. it's easy 2 get 4.00 if u really study hard. we have finals on every sem(6 months prior).

so, to stpm-ianz, i salute u!

spm...really like consuming air lar... haiyo... stpm...definitely hardest... haha..

STPM 100% harder but those who take STPM instead of matrik if got chance is 100% stupider..cuz matrik u got higher chance to enter good course in university and u dun waste 2 yrs of study...if got chance go for matrik..

yup... agree....

Actually if you are hardworking and willing to spend some time with your books, stpm/a-level/matrix will not be a problem.

I am taking stpm, science subject 5 subjects (Pengajian Am, Maths T, Physics, Chemistry, Biology)

I will write little analysis about the subjects i take as well as review of STPM:

Pegajian Am: Malaysia systems and plans, global issues, some basic scientific knowledge, if you are well-informed, then this subject should be piece of cake. Not to mention the easiest subject to score among others.
Forgot to say paper 2 is a race against time.

Maths T: If you think add maths is hard, maths T is 3x harder. Brace yourself if your maths is not good. Functions, geometry, trigonometry and especially probability are much harder than before. Constant practice will do you the magic of getting an A.

Chemistry: Physical chemistry calculation can be tricky, just beware. Organic and inorganic have a collection of equations for you to remember.
Concepts are quite confusing, but surmountable.

Biology: The scope is very wide. Meaning, you can read and memorize many things from the book, but exam comes out little, and rather basic.
The most stressful subject before exam because you will tremble if you've forgotten some processes. This subject is good for people that knows how to get the gist of ideas and summarize. Many interesting facts. Can score easily.

Physics: This subject has some confusing and long concepts. Objective questions are the most tricky among 3 sciences. It's not totally the same as your form 5 physics (you remember formula and apply), you will need to adapt to certain situation and derive new formula. Very challenging and fun. Rely on practices more. Remember some definition and process.
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Pros:
- You learn a lot, really a lot
- Pressure will push your limit and raise your confidence
- You will become more mature, because you do more thinking and will have more opinions and comments (lol)
- You get long school holidays
- your self-esteem become higher

Cons:
- Very stress in everyday life, must cope with the lesson
- Many practices are required to excel, unless you are super genius
- workbook/practices are quite rare
- need tuition if you are weak, harder to find than spm tuition (duh)
- concepts are very fast to be likely forgotten, because most are too in-depth
- beginning of the year will be suffering (like A-level), but will gradually turn out fine. (e.g. Biology imported some concepts from behind to 1st chapter, you will find it hard to understand at first)
- getting an A in stpm is not like in spm, less STPM candidates (50k this year), don't hope high for A if you are confident of 60+


Conclusion:
STPM is not really that hard or unsurmountable....because the standard has dropped. Recommended to take if you want an easier university life (provided you understand everything in F6), and of course admission in IPTA & IPTS. (which i think better because you adapt to harsh learning condition first)

Advice:
- buy some workbook/practices, start doing it, it really works better than you keep reading the book repeatedly (but you must at least understand the concepts behind)
- balance your stress with some sports or enjoyment, try to avoid computer games (it will diverse your attention and memory, seriously)
- take 4 subjects if you are certain about what you want, more manageable



I wrote this analysis out of stress-ness. Next week still got all the objective paper left, hehe. STPM top 5 in the world? Nahz, don't think now remains the same, maybe it used to be. A-level questions are harder. TS you should keep going for STPM, you will never regret if you are hardworking enough

STPM one week moar!!

This post has been edited by shinhou: Nov 28 2008, 12:23 AM

it is tough in terms if wide syallabus
in addiiton, it requires "answering technique" same as spm as well (what the hell !!!!!)really no brain (also got marking scheme)
SO it is based on your SCORING, not based on your maturity

If i remember correctly, answering technique is only required for Pengajian Am. As for a science subject or mathematics, it requires throughout understanding.

Techniques of solving are important too. Can master easily through ample practices.

Ok...

Matrix... 1 year or 2 semester or 5 month per semester

1 semester worth of kuliah is equal to form 6 lower of syllabus. (Its like you are in form 6 lower and having an exam that the marks for your STPM is from form 6L, and your trials and exam are REAL exams)

and there's mid semester in the 5 month which are located in the first 2 month of the first semester.

Matrix result = Mid Semester 30% + Reports, pop-quiz and extras 10% + Final 60%

Meaning : As soon as you started orientation, you have to study harder since you got only 2 month before exam. And its like 2.5 month of study 1 week holiday 2.5 month studying and exam and 1 month of holiday and 5 month of study and then holiday and enter university. Its hell, I tell you.

Its hard because its a never ending studying and you can't pause even once or do any last minutes thing.

and NO tuition. This is the stage where you are introduced to group studying.

And if you flunk the mid semester (get anything under a C = C-, D, E, F), you'll be dying to get a B for your finals. And if you got most C, and no A.. and if you got for 1 semester GPA under 2.0, they'll kick you out.

Its depend on the person. If you are dependable to tuition, parents and others, you might not be suitable for matrix.

And matrix are known to produce tangkap+basah kids and schizophernics. Some highschool top student actually flunk during matrix. So it is a pressure cooker too.

STPM are 1.7 year of studying and then 1 month of exam. Its a luxury of having the last exam at the end of the studying term. You have the time to procrastinate, tuition, watching tv, dating, last minute studying and last minute everything since your exam is the end of the next year. But it is possible to score if you were also studying hard even when you just started form 6. No different actually.

A levels is similar to STPM right? Except that it was conducted similar to university system and actually, some of the books are similar to matrix (I use them too)


What matters.... GET INTO UNIVERSITY AND STUDY!!!

Sounds scary. Like compression of form 6 nia (minus school holidays)
i think we use 11-12 schooling months to finish the entire F6 syllabus. Since it's the express way to uni, i don't expect it to be too easy.

All syllabus about the same...just form 6 has more in scope....so threaten most of the people....

At least I've done my form 6 now

Nobody gives description of A-level?

Cambridge A-level breaks down into 2 components, AS and A2.

AS level is slightly harder than SPM, but easy to grasp (since there is no more BM-English transition these days). There is not much pressure on this level if you maintain your pace during SPM. AS level lasts 1-year, and there is an exam at the end of this course.

A2, on the other hand, is on par with STPM, though topics are less. Now, things get wired up here: the gap between AS and A2 is huge. Pressure is huge. Adding on, most local institutions allocate A2 for only 5-6 months. An exam will also be held at the end of A2.

In short, 50%AS + 50%A2 = A-level result.

Subject descriptions:
Maths
(AS) I would say its difficulty is less than SPM level.
(A2) It may seem normal (relatively easier than STPM), but you are easily caught off-guard by questions.

Biology
(AS) More topics introduced, more depths than SPM. Straightforward questions.
(A2) As mentioned, less topics and depths than STPM. Tricky questions (evaluate new situations set by questions).

Chemistry
(AS) HELL. Straightforward subjective questions though.
(A2) Easier than AS but more topics to cover (still, less than STPM). Questions are somewhere out of the blue, i.e. unseen materials (even sometimes 3-4 topics combine into a question), but expected answers are simple. I rarely catch them.

Physics
(AS) Topics are the same as SPM. Questions are tougher than SPM (proving formulae)
(A2) Adrenaline rush! Normal-to-hard topics, MUCH harder questions, i.e. giving new situations, thinking of physical relationships, set up a ratio/formula for that situation (or graph analysis)

Thinking skills
(AS) ZOMG I has a E for mai pey-par!
(A2) Beyond comprehension. Divide yourself by zero now.

Pros:
- may have time to slack
- spoonfeeding tiem!
- higher chance to pass

Cons:
- end up knowing less than STPM students
- local public universities = out of bounds
- you are still a kid

I just finished my A2 exams 2 weeks ago. phy, chem, maths and further maths.

Well first of all lets just say further maths is extremely challenging.

Secondly, I feel that the reason why STPM is "tough" is because of its rigid and non-flexible marking scheme. In subjective questions, students must give memorised answers or those specified in textbooks to gain marks. Any workaround, or answering in a manner of a road less taken, however logical the answer is, will fall outside of the boundaries of the marking scheme and be given the axe.

overseas a-level courses, however, forces students to think and be confident of their own answers, as long as it is logical and correct. there is no rigidity here as all answers will be given equal considerations. In cambridge, for example, teaching representatives from different countries gather annually to formulate a marking scheme which encompasses a wide range of language and level of knowledge. Even for a single subject like chemistry, the A-level marking scheme is as thick as a 100 page book, with most possible answers listed. The published scheme on the cambridge DVD only carry the "best", or the default answer suited for the mean level of knowledge of most A-level students. Thus, in A-levels (cambridge, at least), if you give a Ph. D- level solution, or answer in a foreign language such as malay, the markers will still consider the solution and find ways and means to verify it.

This is not surprising given the vast resources available to international organisations like CIE or Edexcel. Also, being such an organisation, they are also subject to scrutiny of participating nations, effectively forcing them to renew and update their syllabuses and content regularly to meet global needs.

On the question of "which one harder", one shouldn't ask that. Instead, consider which one will give you more benefit as a person when u graduate. Would the rigidity and tenacity of the STPM course suit u more, or do you prefer the more critical-thinking oriented A-levels?

True, our country's education system is derived from the british system, and it is a good challenge even for bright students. But bear in mind that the system in our country has remain unchanged for the past umpteenth years (aside from the teaching in Malay, and then back to english for maths n science) and i believe some of the things in the curriculum is not relevant in today's world.

For me, I have taken enough bullSh from our very own SPM. In pendidikan moral, 'menghormati golongan kurang upaya' and 'menghormati golongan kurang berupaya' means a difference of one mark, even though both answers are perfectly logical in its context. It is little things like these that eventually led me not to believe in our country's education system. coupled with the biasness in giving marks, quota system, and those things yang tidak boleh dipersoalkan.

This post has been edited by Hoong.ster: Dec 5 2008, 01:48 PM

Off topic.

On critical thinking, analytical, teamwork and presentation ability, the Australian system will be better.

Well of course the thread starter specified two courses for comparison: STPM and A-Levels.

Certainly we could bring in other less exam-oriented programs like IB, but that discussion we shall leave it for another day no?

"Would the rigidity and tenacity of the STPM course suit u more, or do you prefer the more critical-thinking oriented A-levels?"

If we are going to discuss rigidity, talking about the even less rigid Australian system is not totally not off the mark. No?

Well, the topic is "Which one harder?, STPM or Matriks or A level??"

If you want to make brief comparisons with other courses, i guess you could.....

maybe STPM

oh come on guyz~....whoever say EDUCATION is easy, he mz be a total genius!! lolz...dun compare la~!! i was a STPM student, do wat u think is easy for u...humans do things out of ur capability, unless u posses supernatural power lar~!!

Ther is an equality of both education exams..but rest assure that none of it matters if the undertaking is not seriously involved.

So which one is harder,depends on the mind set.

A-Level is toughest

but for me its easy.

currently studying A-level : Chemistry, Physics, Biology, Maths, Add Maths

=)

No Stress

Have you tried STMP? If no, how do you know A Level is the toughest because many people say theirs the toughest

btw do STPM for Local U, for other just do other la

STPM (particularly Science Stream) - IS WITHOUT a DOUBT THE MOST DIFFiCULT SCHOOL EXAM THERE IS IN MALAYSIA.

Government matriculation program is nowhere near the level of difficulty that STPM posses.

totally agree with u. i m also a a science stream student who has juz finished my stpm...=)

study a lot but come out a bit...>.<

its really need hardwork...but i m those lazy type so in the last few month i suffered a lot...but still the same i think i din do well in my exam...wad to do...juz can blame myself

This post has been edited by lwayne: Dec 8 2008, 02:29 AM

Just do the past-year questions and compare the difficulty. You will see.

Hehe I'm with you there. Maybe people look down at matriculation because they just compare exam questions =) have they ever thought of what life would be like there? Any freedom loving person would hate that place since they're mostly built in the middle of nowhere. Haha I got into Changlun Kedah and a city boy like me would feel so 'trapped' there =P.

Anyway what she said was true. In matrix if you wanna score you cant pause and relax. Sure on weekends you can go out and chill for abit but other than that if you wanna get on the '4-flat' train theres no getting off. You have to always be own your toes and have everything at you finger tips coz lecturers might give you surprise question papers which have marks in your final exam.

Lab Reports have to be completed and handed up with assignments and home work all in deadlines ranging from days to maybe a week or two. Then theres the 'koko' where you have to join clubs and play games to 'pass' it. No forgetting the oh-so-famous IT classes where you learn basic photoshop and other things..which also needs to be 'passed'.

Life there will never be easy if you want to score. I remember most of my friends who scored straight a's would wake up as early as 7 AM and study till 2 or 3 in the morning (with breaks in the middle) a few weeks before the exam. However if you want to pass you can laugh all the way and still get through (provided you studied 'abit' hehe).

Basically from what I've observed the people who make it there have high goals and know what they want. Those who do average are the 'I'll take any course Im offered' type so it's really your determination that pushes you. Anyway if you feel scared reading this, please don't be. Matriculation gives you a taste of university life. From how lessons are conducted to the 'politics' (you'll know what I mean when you go there) =).

So if you can take the fast paced world and stress by all means go for it. It is a great 'passport' to your dream course and a good experience too. Plus you don't have to wear uniforms and the lecturers treat you like adults. (well some do ). Good luck on your decision!

This post has been edited by mahz: Dec 15 2008, 10:05 PM

STPM>SPM>MATRIX

erm... tht's true. I did my matrix at labuan college also.

But my matrix life aren't tht stress la. I'm actually enjoying my college life during matrix. Especially weekends. Coz we are only allowed outing on sat and sunday. Friday outing hav to write letter for permission. Every time outing condition is not over than 7pm. unless u got the permission. at first i wasn't get used of it. coz i'm da hanging out person during sch time.

Well, the program as they said... u have to study all the time without pausing. We even study and doin our own revision with f6 text books. Coz some of the lecture.... we dun even understand anything then tutorials time lecturer just "pop" some exercise question. But i'm da type of lazy and last minute students (as always). so usually i would just spend my time at library "capturing" those genius ones to teach me. haha.... then i learn from their teachings. sometime i took their lecturer notes to photocopy.

By the end of each sem, me n my roommates will stayed-up till 3 or 4am to study and discussing things we dun really understand (other than tht lecture time i always slept at around 10-11pm ). it's more like group study actly. we do exercise then discuss or ask if we cant get the solution. but i'm da only 1 whois taking physics in my room so usually i do my physics at library wif my physics gangs. Then bck room do chemistry n maths.

tht's how i got my results... hehe... althou not so good as 4 but i'm satisfied wif it.

Actly, i'm kinda miss my matrix room environment. coz thr were 3 of us in a room from different group of lecture class. so always discussing this n tht. especially couple stuff. haha... then friday around 4 or 5pm like tht we'll go play bball or jogging together. sometime we curi2 cook in the room. and movie nite after all exam is a MUST!! haha... so we were very close tht time. althou not the same religion. but it was fun!! I learn my bm speaking during matrix. haha... especially bahasa s'wak. coz my roommate practice n talk to me in bhs s'wak. b4 tis i jus knw simple word... but nw i'm advance... haha... unlike nw... only got 1 roommate... n she is a bookworm... haha... tht's y i'm kinda hard to talk straight to her... plus no topic...but i still hanging around wif my matirx gangs here. coz most of us went into the same uni here.


I heard that other matriculation college is much much more stress than my matrix there. coz their lecturer hav higher expectation on them i think. mayb i'm lucky to b among the unstressed ones. haha... btw, tht time my matrix position was amongst all the matriculation college in m'sia.

but but but.... i still respect those doin their stpm. for me... stpm would be harder. coz u guys need to revise n study the whole syllabus for ur exam. some of the topic teachers were unable to cover it up due to the time limitation then u guys would jus hav to study it urself. unlike us... we study 1 sem syllabus then we can forget bout it after the exam. then learn new things. coz sem 1 syllabus question wont out in sem 2 exam. but some sem 1 knowledge still needed for master the sem 2 syllabus la. not much. Plus... if for me i wouldn't concentrate more in study if i'm at home. coz need to do housework and life must b tidy up everyday (only tidy up my room once 1 week nw). then, i'll always wanna join my frens hanging out if i'm at hometown. but both hav their own good and bad la. At matrix u hav to b discipline in doin ur own revision lo. not wait till mummy mumbling then do revision.

Last last... those who is taking STPM and score A(s) i really sallute u!!

Y suddenly SPM pop out de?

n y is STPM>SPM>Matrix???

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Added on December 16, 2008, 12:02 amEnvy u~~ i did applied for matriks but cant get in... so head to STPM... Dying~~

This post has been edited by louis6: Dec 16 2008, 12:02 AM

If based on the difficulty, it is true that STPM is ranked no-2 hardest of the Pre-U exam in the world (I don't sure that if there is a proof for this statement though as I heard from my teacher). It is considered the hardest in Malaysia Pre-U course is because you need to revise back everything... yes, everything from Form 1 to Form 5 especially Form 4 and 5 as it repeats the same thing (but become more advanced if compared to Form 4 and 5). Let's take history as an example. In form 4 and 5, we just study 2 books, for Form 6, the history will be divided into 4 books (Tamadun Islam, Tamadun Dunia, Sejarah Asia, Sejarah Malaysia). It makes thing become more complicated if you study Form 6.

Then will goes to A-Level, which spend roughly a year.. and then matriculation, is the easiest, but suffer the most when they are in university. Matriculation is extremely easy if compared to STPM as they are guided by lecturers/ teachers and it will not a hard case to score an A in matriculation. Matriculation revises what they study through the course, and they might get tips from their lecturer (depends).

Pros for Matriculation:
Easier to score.
Mostly got a chance to local UNI.
Took less time - half year less compared to STPM.

Cons:
You will suffer in UNI if compared to STPM students.
You know less compared to STPM students.

I am not sure about the info about matriculation as I was STPM student before.

P/S: Delete something looks offense-able.

This post has been edited by Latios: Dec 16 2008, 04:51 PM

STPM harder i think. i studied STPM before.

Spoon-fed? Have you even been to matriculation? Please buddy don't talk bout what you don't know. Everything students do there is based on your own effort. Lecturers are not gonna visit you asking if you're doing alright. Most of them don't care and if you want to learn anything it's you who has see them! Yah it sounds pretty mean, but from what I understand the same thing applies for Uni so matrix students will find it easier to adapt I guess. About the rest of your points, easy to score bla bla bla ( typical way STPM students look at matrix students ) I wouldn't know. Never finished my course as I got my dream offer half way through

In the previous post, one saying matric you need to work hard to score 4 flat...of course. Well..it is same apply to STPM student if they want to score 4 flat. But I believe it is much harder to score 4 flat in STPM.
Second, is since matric n STPM is compete the same plateform to enrol local uni, 4.0 for matric and STPM should be same value. U are wrong if u think so...
check this
http://2hard2lie.blogspot.com/2008/03/stpm...-place-for.html
most places for popular course is accomodate by matric students (want to stress, the stats is only non bumi chinese, not even consider bumi)
so I really can not see the future for STPM and will not recomend ppl to study although it really help a student to mature and learn a lot.

matrix is easiest....

So... no wonder so many STPM students n lecturers in UNI look down on Matriculation students... Less competitive but yet get into UNI...

everything come with a reason..right???

Well... I have read the post posted in previous post, and I also received the similar thing when I was in my UNI at last semester. It seems that the fact will be confusing as for some courses (engineering and education for example), the minimum for get into computer engineering and software engineering is just 2.3 as the book shows 3.2. Like mine, education, it said that there must be at least Band 4 in MUET and pointer more than 3.0 to get into education, but I am only (a little to 3) and my MUET is Band 5. There are some of my coursemates less than 2.5 pointer and their MUET is only Band 2 yet they get enrolled into UNI. How is the enrollment system counts? Who knows.

While about the matriculation system, I am not sure it is true or not as it differs from every marticulation college (based on my points that I obtain from my friends in matriculation). Easier to score compared to STPM will be the truth as the marker is the lecturer him/herself (same as UNI system, if he/she hates you then...), while STPM marking system is similar to SPM (you don't know who is marking yours). That's why they are more easy to adept the system of UNI compared to STPM student.

Whatever it is, just study hard and as long as you get a good pointer (no matter is matriculation, A level or STPM), you will be able to secure a good position in universities. Those are opinions though... Because when I studied STPM I also spend most of my time sleeping, even at the exams.

This post has been edited by Latios: Dec 16 2008, 04:22 PM

matrix is much easier....u study the sylibus for half year, get tested.
for 2nd sem, just read the 2nd sem sylibus n tested.....somemore sometimes got tips...
STPM is much harder....u got to study all 1 n half year sylibus for the exam!

Anyone here thinking about Diploma? I think Diploma is also considered as same level as these, right?

i would say STPM is even harder than diploma..
as said for STPM we need to study 1 n half year sylibus for the exam,
while for diploma, we just study that sem sylibus (eg half year) for the exam...
well different ppl might view it differently, its just my 2 cent... :>

If only it was as easy as people say it is.

i tot matrix is just for bumis oni


hard or easy, its just pre-U, just get urself a good enough result (above B) n tats it
i know many guys tat just finish spm n very worried if it would be very hard
what to worry lar, so many people take STPM every year, if they can do it y u kenot
STPM or any other Pre-U for tat matter is not tat hard, easily can pass wan

kids nowadays are so scared cause they are so pampered by their parents n never to worry
back in my days which r not so fortunate n parents not doing so well in the financial sector, i look forward to it instead, instead of fearing for hard work, i oni see it a a chance to get myself a better future. If dun continue study how ? Go work as shitass jobs with shitass working schedules n get shitass pay


now kira ok lar, just sit in opis n spam in LYN whole day long
how can i regret i study Pre-U lar

None are easy. It's a question of which is relatively easier.



This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Dec 18 2008, 05:42 PM

haiya.. matrix is like uni lor.. jus tat wat they learn is like advance a bit from form 5 lor.. then each semester got test lor.. after test can forget le lor.. then aim for the other semester lor.. must score in each semester lor.. partly easy if u hardworkin.. hard if u a lazy type.. stpm --> well yup every 1 or two month, u get tested on a test on wat u hav learn for each chapter of the subject.. then u hav to remember wat u hav study and accumulate for 1 and a half year b4 u ar access on the real test--> STPM( which is a total accumulation of wat u learn in 1 1/2 year in form 6. tat y people consider in harder tat matrix.. then since u r force to remember so well for the STPM test .. when u enter Uni.. life will be a breeze for u since u r jus refreshing ur memory again.. pengajian am--> uni(kenegaraan) phy/bio/chem--> uni(all the science subject u take la), add math--> uni( statistic, advance math, accounting etc) so it related..

hey daikors/daijies,
according to all the informative posts above, i believe that STPM would be the safest bet to advance to tertiary lvl both internationally and nationally?

Nope...Non bumis also can enter but at a certain quota...But matriculation is no doubt, the easiest compared to STPM and A level

@@ i also a science stream student from stpm in 2003　@@
i graduate now.
wat i want to say hmm
dunno u all believe or not since i see my fren who are form 6 with me in the uni.
she is one of the top scorer in stpm in that year (4.0 for 5 subject)
she enter for ME( her favourite)
during her study she manage to get 4.0 all 8 semester @@ but her study style very easy. still have time to shopping, do direct sales and dating with bf always.
one of her classmate from matrix 4.0 also. this guy study hard @@ i salute also. but unfortunately he only manage to get 3.83 after finish the study.

wat i want to conclude not to offend but just wat i view
for a stpm student who manage to get 4.0, about 90% he/she can get 4 flat in his/her study
for a matrix student who manage to get 4.0, only half half (50%) can get 4.0.

wat i think is that the scope and the way of pre-U system conduct is differently and the thing learning in each pre-u system slightly different.

yup in matrix life like uni but since i also study uni b4 i know the trick. assignment yes need we finish but we can get guidance also from the lecturer. u all say report need to pass up. yup also. hard to rest.
but in stpm also alot of report need to do, we not dun have report like u all. beside that, we also have to memorize the thing over an over again.
i try b4 take my stpm exam paper for my fren who sitting matrix to do. remark oh.. they chinese and score 4.0 in matrix. but they cant even solve more than 70%.

wat i want to say, not we stpm student look down on matrix, just we feel the not fair system from the goverment to us compare to matrix.

im still not clear btween the subject taken for all course. For science stream student, in matrix we get to choose either physics or biology right? Wat other subjects that a Must? how bout stpm, we will have to take up all 3 sc subj?

em A level is actually a STPM equivalent. That's why you can use either of these. People tend to think their one's is better may due to they had a hard time completing it.