Quoted for truth/facts from previous thread. Just a few examples of them. If you want to understand intensively, read all 120+ pages of V1 thread, and a Master you will be. These quotes are gathered from page 1-4 and last page of previous thread. Can't be bothered to go through all the pages by myself again. Credits to the member of those posts.
QUOTE(Shezzar @ Jul 25 2004, 11:11 AM)
If you have an AP set with Vodafone or T-Mobile logo, it means that your phone might be locked. Those Vodafone or T-Mobile are the service operators in the UK and that's where the phones come from. Not all AP sets have the logo. AP sets are Approved Products which means that these products are certified by sirim that your product is safe to use.
In other words, AP product not brought in by the authorised distributor like Midland, T-Choice for SE, Avaxx or Zitron for Nokia, FMG for Samsung and etc. The phones can even come from Singapore and may even have the M1, Singtel or Starhub logo. Remember to check the phone if it is locked especially those from Singapore and Vodafone.
QUOTE(graffika @ Jul 25 2004, 11:02 PM)
AP sets has different level of QC. Big AP companies like Final Choice, GTMAX, Nefion, Telstra, O'Connors have extensive QC checks. Others like MSL, YS, PLANTRONICS or names not mentioned above, are slightly cheaper than the above. Whether they replaced their parts with other stuff, its another question.
QUOTE(ikarishinji @ Jul 26 2004, 07:01 PM)
AP set actually pay government tax but is juz that they are not taxed by the Local Authorised Dealer. AP set is normally distributed by small handphones companies and they might stop business anytime.
Futhermore if there's major damage on your AP set, the AP companies might not have enough equiptment to fix it. At the end, they still have to send it to the authorized dealer (eg. Zitron, Avaxx).
There are recon set might be known as water set, so beware while you buying.
Recon set are second hand handphones from overseas, they juz change the phone cover (might not be original cover) and do some servicing inside and sell it as an AP set with warranty 1 year summore. As I know FMG will not fix phones other than FMG warranty handset (even they are paid they will not fix)
QUOTE(marquis @ Feb 19 2006, 08:03 PM)
Like what everyone else have said, a phone without a sirim sticker is considered as illegal and thus cannot be sold here. But I'm gonna assume that if the phone is not available here, it should be better. And besides, if you bought the phone from overseas and bring it back here to use, don't tell me it would be illegal to use it right?
Speaking of buying a waterset from a shop, they might say that you did not inspect it properly before buying and thus you are at fault. So yeah guys, if you wanna buy a phone, do yourselves a favor and do these few things:
Check for sirim sticker (this is a MUST. Everyone should know this).
Cross check IMEI numbers on the phone and the box
Ask for warranty card.
Ask if the warranty card needs to be sent to wherever necessary.
Check all the features of the phone (iow, play with the phone, make sure everything is working).
Check for dead pixels.
Check the firmware if possible (*#0000# for most nokias). This way, you can check if it's old stock or not.
And of course, make sure you get the propper set. As in nothing missing like the handsfree and stuff.
Sorry, deviated a bit from what is a waterset, but really, people should know these stuff to avoid getting cheated.
Btw, watersets are usually sold without accesories, only phone and charger. So sometimes if you add up buying the accesories elsewhere, it might cost near the same as buying a proper set
QUOTE(akina81 @ Mar 24 2004, 04:14 PM)
QUOTE(akina81 @ May 9 2004, 09:19 AM)
AP set might use compatible (non-original) replacement parts, charger and battery.
QUOTE(wiNd @ May 17 2004, 10:14 AM)
AP set is approved products. usually its taken in from other countries which is much more cheaper than the local authorized set.
QUOTE(Shezzar @ Jul 25 2004, 11:11 AM)
is your question suppose to be "does all AP set have that logo?"
well if thats your question, than not really...though if you have an AP set with that logo, it might make your fone look cooler, but on the other hand, cud mean that your fone might be locked...those t-mobile and vodafone are just the service operators in the UK and theres where the fones come from....another thing is...not all
AP sets have the logo...AP sets just means Approved Products
which means that these products are certified by sirim that your product is safe
in other words, AP product just means products that is not
brought in by the authorised distributor like Midland, T-Choice for SE, Avaxx or Zitron for Nokia, FMG for samsung and etc. the fones can even come from Singapore and may even have the M1, Singtel or Starhub logo...so its not necessary that all AP sets will have a logo...some may have some dont...if they have, remember to check the fone if it is locked esspecially those from singapore and vodafone.
QUOTE(graffika @ Jul 25 2004, 11:02 PM)
neway just to add on..
AP sets has different level of QC. (big ap fellas like F.Choice/GTMAX/Nefion/Telstra/OConnors) have extensive QC checks.
Others like MSL/YS/PLANTRONICS or names not mentioned above, are slightly cheaper than the above....whether they replaced their parts with other stuff..its another question.
U dont see much different in nokias BUT for samsung it is .. 6 months diffference in warranty...imagine lcd damage after 1 year (for AP) ..
QUOTE(sonyclie77 @ Sep 5 2004, 01:08 AM)
AP set just different warranty from authorised set.
QUOTE(sonyclie77 @ Oct 28 2004, 07:47 PM)
Upgrading means the upgrading of the phone's firmware. AP sets can be upgraded as well, but you need to pay each time you upgrade.
No, AP sets and Ori sets most probably use Original accessories, unless some dishonest sellers changed them.
Price is different because of the warranty. If there's anything wrong with your phone, ie dead pixel, motherboard fried or LCD went dead, you can change it FOC if you're having an Ori set within the warranty period. But if AP set, you most prob have to pay for the repairs. And mind you, these arent't cheap. Therefore its advisable to get Ori even though you're paying a little more, its for the peace of mind.
QUOTE(youngkies @ Aug 18 2007 @ 01:21 AM)
easier way is, anything (sticker / warranty company) other than t-choice, thorus and midlands are not original.
international warranty? not really. you wont be covered if your phone go out of the country, so as other country set wont be covered in malaysia service centre too. example: ori singapore set in malaysia = waterset, not covered. so international warranty, i dont think so. though some phone in other country is covered in other country (i.e. European)
QUOTE(idoblu @ Nov 21 2008, 09:19 AM)
This post has been edited by youngkies: Nov 26 2008, 11:14 PM
This is my experience from just having bought two Nokia phones within a week. One Original and one AP set. AP SET
1. the box IMEI doesnt tally with the Phone's IMEI
2. the accessories like charger and battery does not have the Nokia Original sticker but the battery still has the 3D hologram. whether these are original or not is questionable. You can buy these types of accessories from Lowyat at a much lower price than the real original accessories. And my feeling is that these lower price item are being used.
3. if your phone comes with additional covers, the colours may not match the original set as intended.
4. if your headset, battery or charger is spoil, you must take it back and exchange from the dealer you bought it from and not from the AP distributor workshop. The AP workshop only warrants the phone itself. This also leads me to believe that the AP company only sells the phones itself to the dealers and not the accessories which is sourced by the dealers themselves. You draw your own conclusion from this.
5. different AP distributors will have different set of rules and also different length of warranty
6. AP set still have the KELAS Sirim sticker. It will also have the AP distributor cum "date sold" sticker.
So if your question is "should I buy AP or Original" -
1. it depends on how much savings - if a lot of difference then its worth it. If save RM100 or RM200, I think not worth it.
2. if you care about whether the battery or charger is original or not and worth the savings from the difference in price
3. if you are located in Klang Valley or outstation - this because most AP workshop are in the Klang Valley so imagine the trouble of sending your set back only to discover that the charger is not working. Then need to send the charger to the dealer. All these can be quite troublesome and the risk of losing your phone thru the mail system.
This note on how to tell if your Nokia is an Original or not - Click THIS to see the picture.