Hi all,

Need some advice from you driving experts out there...

Recently i tried driving up Genting. Going uphill is no problem, but how about driving downhill?

I was driving an automatic transmission downhill. As i dropped to a low gear while taking corners, the car would slow down, but at times it wouldn't give me the speed i wanted to go a bit faster. But when i put it to drive mode (without hitting the accelerator), at times it would go a bit too fast. I'm trying to avoid hitting the brake whnever possible, as i notice most cars smell of burnt tyres after coming down. (Mine did not smell of burnt tires though , but i believe my technique can be further improved)

Any tips from any of you guys out there? Would appreciate it...whether it's both manual or auto transmission tips..(cuz i have both manual and auto cars)

Thanks in advance

i don't think the smell was of burning tyres, but rather of overheated brake pads and clutch pads.

Its not the tires, its the brake. The smell come from the brake.

Yes ur car doesnt let out any smell coz I avoid hitting the brake whenever possible.

tips? I would say drive slowly, and if you want to drive fast use engine braking (gear braking for some)

Going up Genting I rarely use brake, mostly engine braking, but going down cant help it but to hit brake quite often oh yeah engine braking for manual/amt

This post has been edited by EyraYus: Nov 17 2008, 02:20 PM

actually the burnt tyre smell is the smell of the BBQ-ed brakes. You "avoid hitting the brakes" thus your car doesn't emit the smell coz basically you didn't BBQ your brakes.

how to improve ur car i cant advise much...
but auto u can try left foot breaking...
drive like those rally driver...

I think the burning smell is coming from the brakes, not the tires?

I think if you want to drive at speed, then you can't avoid the smell since you have to press the brakes constantly. Drive slowly and you can get down without the smell at all.

left foot braking for what?

try that at genting and get a one-way express ticket home.

left foot braking will just cause more smell coming from ur brake

use 2nd all the time when going down lah
brake + downshift to L at the humps
then push back to 2

dun need to brake anywhere but the bumps. thats how to keep the brakes usable when u need them. no need LFB or whatever, ini bukan felda rally

This post has been edited by ceo684: Nov 17 2008, 02:24 PM

any tips for A/T car when come accross to this situation?

wats left foot breaking?

you should take bus

press brake with left foot? lol

Now bus do have probs goin uphill

thats suicidal 1 way express ticket

dont mislead ppl,its very dangerous

Ask the taxi driver at Pudu fetching passengers to Genting. Takumi Fujiwara can't even smell their exhaust smoke and burnt tire smell.

Thanks for the feedback guys...noted it;s by brakepads and not the tyres...

The car i was driving was a Sylphy (not mine...my gf's dad's car sumore...with parents and passengers behind *_*)
It didn't have "2"....only "L"...
and i tried using "L" most of the time but the noises that came from the engine sounded like the car was really straining..and the speed was too slow..
btw putting it to netural downslope is not recommended izzit?

yup,you hav no engine braking at all

For A/T drivers it's the same. Just downshift to "2" and don't use your brakes unless you need to go over a bump, then use L as someone already mentioned.

@Spunky: The noise you hear is the kinetic energy of your car rolling downhill being converted into heat via the engine. It's common when you use engine braking, but am not sure about your car.

This post has been edited by Lord_Ashe: Nov 17 2008, 02:38 PM

I also know that ler

I'm asking for tips to improve downslope driving...
Preferably getting down at the fastest possible time without straining the brakes

get a car with ridiculously good handling, u wont need to brake to safely go through all the corner.

but for me, from FIrst World genting to Gohtong Jaya its something u cant avoid..coz there is too many speedbumps when ur car are gaining speed yeah i do understand its for safety but

I don't think u have any option here. U drive fast downhill, u'll use the brakes more often & will cook the brakes before u reach anywhere near halfway. Depending how u define how fast, what speed are u driving when u go down hill normally?

Um..i don't really travel up and down genting that often, and this is my first time driving...so what would the benchmark be?
Really steep slopes (the ones coming down from genting theme park) = 20-25km/hr
normal slopes = 40-45km/hr perhaps?

I can't really recall the exact speed. This are just estimates..hope i didn't overstate it...

unless u drift all the way down..there is those tire burn smell..if u didn't drift..means is ur brake pad is burning..

for me..i will use lower gear and brakes..just don't wanna screw up my gearbox..brakepads is much more easy to get and fix..but gearbox is not..

left foot braking meaning can go faster
topic written driving techniques
so i think i'm not off topic rite?
y left foot?
so ur right leg can maintain the rpm and when u exit u got more powarhhh

If your auto car has a sports mode, you can switch to that. Engaging sports mode keeps the transmission in lower gear longer before an upshift, which is effectively engine braking for an auto car (or you can also shift the gear manually down to 3/2/L). This ought to keep your car's speed down when going downhill.

2nd thing to do is to not ride the brakes all the way down. This means don't keep your foot on the brake all the time. The brakes will overheat. Instead of gently braking for a long period, brake harder but for a shorter period. This gives the brakes a bit more time to cool off.

Don't bother if some idiot in another car wants to go faster, let them. Important thing is for you to be safe when coming down the steep roads.

Safe Driving techniques, not Fast driving techniques.

Play ABS in cornering.

lol.. bro dont really so much on ABS wei;

if later no abs u veli the jialat lo.

ABS working = Anti-Brake System
ABS not working = Aku Buang Saja

lol.. try buang-ing @ 180kmph

not tat fun

i always use racing lines (turn wider) during cornering to reduce the tire's burden...

Wow, so many touge masters here.

Anti break ? anti break mean u step the break also no break coz anti break

ABS stand for AntiLock Braking System la .. mean u break hard hard it also wont lock the tyre to prevent duno what term to use ..

hahaha... yeah using left foot... you will getting the 1 way ticket to hell

Okay.
The Sylphy with it's CVT is the same as driving the Honda City CVT.
You dont need to shift into L.In fact the CVT is smart enough to use lower gear ratios, even if you left it in "D" unlike conventional auto box.

I previously drove my family's City,full load, up Genting with the D gear and it was breeze. No strain to the engine.Smooth yet no "crazy revving" needed.

Then recently drove a loan MYVI Auto up Genting, and it was more straineous to drive and had to leave it in "2" all the while.

Putting neutral is only recommended for suicide attempts. Leave it in "S" (Honda City) or "L" for your Slyphy and let the engine braking do the job.It's okay even if the engine screams around 3000-4000RPM, because there is no load to the engine (and furthermore, no fuel being consumed when going down hill).

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Nov 17 2008, 07:13 PM

It prevent the wheels from locking and keep it rolling so you still have control on steering. But make sure your brakes are strong enough otherwise the ABS won' kick in.

If you see lorry with ABS, just remember it is 'Awas-Besi-Sahaja'

how come racing line is wider? i tot racing line is always the shortest way to get out from there?

teach me pls sifo

no need to race race la. once you fall, it'll be like nfs carbon. See you in bulletin utama

shortest way? stick to the inner lines, for sure will get the shortest line than racing lines...
if u like to watch racing sport game such as F1 or A1 or supercar racing... u will understand....
but try it at ur own risk and make sure the road free from traffic....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racing_line


who say use racing line must speeding?
hence the car more stable that while cornering...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Nov 17 2008, 09:09 PM

my definition of racing line :

shortest way to get through a corner and will get u to the best place to enter the next corner?

izzit?

nola... should be the fastest speed u can take through the corner... means less steering work is the best...

in short... OUT-IN-OUT line...

@@@Off topic.

racing line is not the shorttest line.
it's the line that gives you the fastest time.

if you take the shortest line, you end up slowing your car down alot, and you'll have a tighter turn. once you exit the turn, you'll have to speed up a lot(because you slowed down a lot for the turn(tighter)). * you'll lose a lot of precious time this way(only in racing la. going down from genting, very rush meh? 95 years old already??)

This post has been edited by fillet: Nov 18 2008, 12:40 AM

lol, trying to correct people but u cant even differentiate between break and brake

ur car must be an unstable one.. what car are u driving anyway?

myvi...
no say 100% unstable, i attack cornering with higher speed to lead better FC after exit from corner...
by using race line i will feel more comfortable and ensure the tire grip still there 100% for my safety...

?
left foot braking only used when u wanna race on track and minimize time from moving ur foot from throttle to brake right

if use brake more will stress the brake more thus more smell la...
u dunno what u're talking about

use engine braking which is lower gear so that ur car rpm is on the high side during downhill to minimize usage of brake.. so that the engine help brake

I guess u can't stick to 1 gear and expect it to have the appropriate engine-braking force for all gradients of slope! So you need to shift to diff gears whenever needed, and use the foot brakes sparingly to aid braking. Oh, the aircond helps with engine-braking, too! haha! Open the windows for air drag and some cool air.

sorry lo...
topic stated driving techniques uphill and downhill
so i just reply lo...

Is it true dat no load is applied to the engine when u're doing this for engine braking?i just wan to clarify

once u switch on ur engine u are consuming petrol...

Yes you were observant with my words.
BUT......

I was talking about fuel-flow rate on various conditions driving such as idling conditions, when you WOT and when you dont step at the accelerator pedal at all.
In other words, when you are coasting down a hill, practically your engine consume very little petrol (and thats obvious by looking at your fuel gauge for the differences).

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Added on November 18, 2008, 10:31 amThink of it as you riding the bicycle at a mountain
When you cycle up a hill, you impose stress (load) on your own physical body (engine) and the mechanical driving components of your bicycle drive train.
When you cycle down hill, you have no stress and even relaxed (no load) and it's same as putting your gear on Neutral.

I know bicycles dont have 'Engine Braking'.Coming back to automobiles...
It's true that your engine has much lesser load when going downhill.

P.s- Dont reply back to me you have never rode a bicycle in your life before.

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Nov 18 2008, 10:39 AM

sorry i dont understand....

thx bro...yea i understood what r u trying 2 explain....

auto rides also can hav engine brake... and dun constantly use L...it'll kill ur gearbox faster...

tat burn smell emitted from ur brakes.. its ok wan.. so long u dun brake too hard...try mix engine brake+ur foot brake....

And what kind of theory is that to back your facts about "killing your GB faster" ,now that I question you back?
Why? How?

To save your car/life or to save and over-protect your gearbox, which is more valueable?

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Nov 18 2008, 01:10 PM

dont ever think about turning off engine while going downhill

I don't drive Genting downhill before. But using manual tranny, I was able to overtake most of the cars with very minimum pedal work for 1 hour ++ (average speed is about 100kph from cameron to Ipoh route). The brake pad and front tyre are still working very well at the bottom of the hill.

As long as the tyre and brakepad is not overloaded, our car should be able to behave well throughout all the corners. So, the key point is cornering entry/exit positioning and speed (don't overspeed especially on high profile tyres with soft sidewalls), as well as very gentle and good control on the pedal and steering work.

Just my 2 cents

go slow and steady , do not use late braking ...

going down ... super lots of bumps around 70+ i think ... as usual no late braking ... brake when appropriate ... for manual , use low gears between 3rd and 2nd ... for auto ... not so sure

This post has been edited by 812799: Nov 18 2008, 07:30 PM

stupid speed bumps accelerate the temp in my brakes causing brake fade...

without speed bumps it will be safer...

if without speed bumps, for sure can see a lot of wrecked car at the exit of cornering...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Nov 18 2008, 08:52 PM

dun give a damn about stupid drivers who doesnt know the limit of their own car...

agreed. those speedbump really killing me either on bike or car

the one near the last police station going down is worst, and paired with cornering tuned bike, ur ball will crash hard + trying to brake, newbie will suffer a lot coz they dont know that there is a bump there

going downhill from genting..i was driving slow cause of those speed bumps..then comes a clever perdana wanna overtake me..he end up by crashing his front bumper.. wat a dumb driver..silver color v6 perdana..

Lesson is, biar lambat asalkan selamat ~~~ Pity that fella ~~~ Wana be in hurry but went

erm. it wasnt ezy to drve fast at genting, but if u want to, follow the taxis technique frm back. they r experts.

try to tap ur brake pedal when slowing ur vehicle down before reaching to a corner instead of flooring ur brake...it could help

not that easy wan wor..i follow them once and they like knowing i following them and the speed off

Sylphy has good engine braking. Just cruise to certain speed, and let go the accelerator if you want to maintain downhill speed. The gearbox will try to adapt & maintain the speed. Honda City CVT users will have the similar feel.

ur car so heavy
dump ur gf parents la...
light weight meaning less burden to da brake
then u can go faster n safer~

Heys..to all da sifus..

when u ppl do LFB, ur left leg on da brake..n right leg still on da accelerator rite?

dun u feel like da brake will kinda lock and cause nt to be able to step on it ??

ur engine actually assist on ur braking...
thats y u feel harder
u try to switch of the engine n press brake
still work but not so hard
i think this is the only technique available for auto car

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Added on November 19, 2008, 5:50 pmn if this is ur 1st time...try slowly in empty space...
after sometime u will use to it...
both ur right n left leg are very "sensitive"
btw i driving manual...
big cornering i still use this tech

This post has been edited by washabushi: Nov 19 2008, 05:50 PM

switch off engine and press brake? did u tried before?
the brake pedal have some of security features while engine no running...
you try to press ur brake pedal repeatably while engine no running, for sure the brake pedal getting harder and harder to be depress and later almost cant depress at all... it can avoid the thief to remove ur car away from scene easily but they cant stop the car by depress brake pedal at the same time...
at the same time brake booster may no working as well, how u going to stop the car on extreme condition without brake booster? i tried to stop my car without brake booster (bcos brake booster failure) while driving, almost can say the car no safe to drive unless u have muscular leg to press the brake pedal...
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/power-brake1.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/power-brake2.htm

This post has been edited by gkl83: Nov 19 2008, 06:08 PM

not too much L on 3 speeder auto wira...if CVT then diff story lor...

my experience lah, going downhill from hotel to gohtong jaya there is no way you can drive faster, too much speedbump. i also notice one particular corner is very slippery when it is wet, i think because it is newly resurfaced one.

from Gohtong Jaya to Karak, it is possible to drive faster. planning of the racing line is very important, it reduce need of braking and maintain speed through corners. you can really go fast when the line is accurate. lets dont say extreme time attack mode, if you maintain the speed, then you dont need to brake so often loh. it is about 60-80kmh for me i think.

But drive safe and learn to drive slow first before you improve. get used to understeer and weight transfer in empty car park and track before you go touge, because i crashed before

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Added on November 20, 2008, 1:31 pmseems like everyone here dont understand what washabushi said about LFB, it is a racing technique, and it is quite hard to learn. same goes to heel and toe. but if u can learn properly, definitely you can go faster. i have seen my fren doing this on genting uphill, his auto perdana tends to understeer a bit when in tight corner, but he LFB a bit and let the tails go out, oversteer a bit without compromising speed, go in the corner very fast.

it is not advisable for everyone though.

This post has been edited by dongdong86: Nov 20 2008, 01:31 PM

go down hill no need to speed so fast lar..just let the "down force" move ur car is good enough already lor..

master has spoken

My sifu said " when you can press brake very hard uphill and press throttle very hard downhill, you are expert"
you are master's sifu then!

yeah shud make a min time limit thing, too fast kena saman
of cos this is open to picnic technique (clarkson style) abuse
so we just need to drive on 2nd gear around 40kmh all d way then no need speedbumps
IMHO the speedbumps are a nuisance. the only times my car "is too fast" is when i see speedbumps. engine braking kao kao on 2nd gear = no need to worry about brake fade much. if u use brake unnecessarily too much if accident occur in front of u takut no brakes left.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Nov 21 2008, 02:49 AM

i use all 4 disc what to scared off..

change brake pad that can stand higher heat~

Just tried to change to 3rd gear (#rd as in for Auto transmission car) today ~~~ Very very first time ~~~ During cornering today good that it slowed down and no need to press brake too much ~~

However, during uphill I was pressing the pedal and changing to 3rd at the same time, the car do have increased power of going uphill ~~

But then, i smelt some burning smell @@ just a very slight musk burning smell ~~

How come? Is it during change of gear not suppose to press pedal at the same time eh? Thanks for advice ~

uphill got burn smell??? is it from ur engine or cars from opposite road emitting burn brake smell??

i lulz at this
a short cut way to turun bukit
"unknown car flew from d top of genting and crash at d gotong jaya round about'

wow, after i read most of the postings, i can conclude that we have plenty of pro drivers in LYN here. LOL!

cannot simply change brake pad to stand higher heat..cause if u normal city drive..there is not enough heat to warm up ur brake pads and will cause ur brake don't function well enough..unless u everytime drive also press brake all the time lar..

and talking about this..is auto brake pad and manual cars brake pad is different??cause auto kind of like brake so much all the time..will they use a better brake pads on auto cars??

ah damn; i missed hte recent genting experience

erm bro,
brake pad that can stand higher heat means it can take more braking before brake fade kicks in ler
it wont affect your city drive braking and such ler....

have u heard of
0 - 600 degrees brake pads?
0 - 800 degrees brake pads?

those rating is there for a reason...

auto and manual car brake pad is the same ler....

lol kcng; time to throw some RS pads to them

umm..didn't wor.. not yet touch brake part in my ride so far..only doing up engine
thanks for ur info..

lol.. dont ignore touching ur brakes n caliper;

especially when u scoop up ur engine; make sure u have enough stopping power

n FYI; stock rotors only can take up to a certain heat degree b4 the start turning RED n start warping