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 SPM Thread 08/09 (V 3), SPM is coming soon..!!!! Final days..!!

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QUOTE(vick5821 @ Nov 8 2008, 10:39 PM)
book and is D..but how to get de?
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we r almost there actually.
start to think from BaCO3 + H2SO4
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QUOTE(vick5821 @ Nov 8 2008, 10:39 PM)
book and is D..but how to get de?
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This mean BaSO4 is not soluble in WATER but soluble in acid..
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Just look again the sentence "The salt produced can be dissolaved by adding?"
It means what ?
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QUOTE(gzavincent @ Nov 8 2008, 10:40 PM)
This mean BaSO4 is not soluble in WATER but soluble in acid..
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BaSO4 is only soluble in HNO3 or HCl.
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from what i understood..it mean that the salt produced later must be a soluble salt
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QUOTE(work_tgr @ Nov 8 2008, 10:42 PM)
Just look again the sentence "The salt produced can be dissolaved by adding?"
It means what ?
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Another word, "BaCO3 produced can be dissolved by adding ?"


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QUOTE(vick5821 @ Nov 8 2008, 10:42 PM)
from what i understood..it mean that the salt produced later must be a soluble salt
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really ?
That wasn't my understanding.
For me, it means which one can dissolve BaCO3

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QUOTE(work_tgr @ Nov 8 2008, 10:43 PM)
Another word, "BaCO3 produced can be dissolved by adding ?"


Added on November 8, 2008, 10:44 pm
really ?
That wasn't my understanding.
For me, it means which one can dissolve BaCO3
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tis mean what?
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QUOTE(raptor_cZn @ Nov 8 2008, 10:42 PM)
BaSO4 is only soluble in HNO3 or HCl.
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Y it is just soluble in HNO3 or HCl?
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QUOTE(vick5821 @ Nov 8 2008, 10:45 PM)
tis mean what?
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this means only acid lah ... and it doesn't mean the products must be in solution.

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Check wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barium_carbonate

Barium carbonate reacts with many acids to soluble barium salts, for example barium chloride:

BaCO3(s) + 2 HCl(aq) → BaCl2(aq) + CO2(g) + H2O(l)

However the reaction with sulfuric acid is poor, because barium sulfate is highly insoluble.


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QUOTE(gzavincent @ Nov 8 2008, 10:45 PM)
Y it is just soluble in HNO3 or HCl?
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Because BaSO4 is an insoluble salt.

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QUOTE(gzavincent @ Nov 8 2008, 10:45 PM)
Y it is just soluble in HNO3 or HCl?
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I think that statement is under the properties of sulphate salt.
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so confuse lah..so how i do tis ques..? see what?
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QUOTE(raptor_cZn @ Nov 8 2008, 10:45 PM)
Check wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barium_carbonate

Barium carbonate reacts with many acids to soluble barium salts, for example barium chloride:

    BaCO3(s) + 2 HCl(aq) → BaCl2(aq) + CO2(g) + H2O(l)

However the reaction with sulfuric acid is poor, because barium sulfate is highly insoluble.


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Because BaSO4 is an insoluble salt.
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Ok thx..Forget that acid+metal carbonate -> salt+CO2+H2O
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QUOTE(vick5821 @ Nov 8 2008, 10:47 PM)
so confuse lah..so how i do tis ques..? see what?
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Maybe you can try to find out how BaCO3 react with item A, B, C ?
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That's why I said, only acid is able to remove carbonate ions.
Regardless, the question set is not good, that's all I can say.

Displacement reaction will be a metal replacing a solution of a metal salt.
Eg : Mg + CuSO4 -> MgSO4 + Cu


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The reaction for B
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Ionic_Equation_f...odium_carbonate
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QUOTE(HotChocolate @ Nov 8 2008, 10:49 PM)
That's why I said, only acid is able to remove carbonate ions.
Regardless, the question set is not good, that's all I can say.

Displacement reaction will be a metal replacing a solution of a metal salt.
Eg : Mg + CuSO4 -> MgSO4 + Cu
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Yeah. Good final conclusion.
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why not good leh..mind to explain?
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If they want to get a soluble salt this is the reaction

Ba(Cl)2(aq) + Na2CO3(aq) = 2NaCl(aq) + BaCO3(aq)
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QUOTE(raptor_cZn @ Nov 8 2008, 10:52 PM)
If they want to get a soluble salt this is the reaction

Ba(Cl)2(aq) + Na2CO3(aq) = 2NaCl(aq) + BaCO3(aq)
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How come the reactants is Ba(Cl)2(aq) + Na2CO3(aq) ?
This question's reactant is BaCO3

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