hello people

i was going thru a mag abt guitars..
till i saw this section about boss pedals and i relise that they have
a lot of the similiar...i think...
what im trying to ask here is :

-Whats the diffrent between Boss pedal Metal core and metal zone?

-overdrive, overdrive/distortion and super overdrive?

-distortion, turbo distortion, mega distortion?

care to help me explain what are the diffrence sound wise and what kind of music it is for

thanks....ur help is much appreciated!!

I THINK.. distortion is mostly the same. just different degrees. think papa roach. overdrive is for more of a clean sound with single notes (with more bite), but when you play a chord it sounds just slightly distorted. think john mayer's slow dancing in a burning room. for OLD OLD tube overdrive think jimi hendrix or AC/DC. and trying the metal zone and metal core pedals.. they both sound the same. get that kind of high gain-easy-to-get-artificial-harmonics-even-if-you-didnt-want-it kind of sound. metal core more for the low end kind of chug, and metal zone for the high/mid heavy kind of tone. think slayer, iron maiden, trivium etc.. this is my opinion tho. dont take it as gospel.

This post has been edited by ianhooi: Nov 5 2008, 03:07 AM

haha i guess it is to cater to the various tastes in music out there.
each musician wants their own unique sound mar.

and also a sales gimmick la

I remember posting exactly the same question when I just got started in the guitar thread, but a "veteran" guitarist there told me to listen from the official boss website to hear the difference.

Now I understand when u post the same question under a new thread u get better answers. Lol, jk...

yeah ipohboy
if im not mistaken i was in ur thread be i post this topic..
but sadly i was still blur abt it and mostly it did not answer my question..

and ive listen to the metal core and metal zone on the boss web..
i still cant hear the diff...( maybe my ear problem..damn)

aniwei i just think that this two are the same..
hahah...
do u think so ?

haha! sales gimmick. i lol'ed at that

must be this gimmick thing....

I have a SD1, DS2, and MT2.
SD1, Just some normal overdrive - adding tone to your notes without getting dirty

DS2, tones get distorted, can switch between normal or turbo mode

MT2, dirty and noisy. Good for metal music, marvelous sustain and easy to get harmonics

wow i din know abt that batuapi...
haha roland is that terrible huh ?
okay..where can i get berhinger then ?
does berhinger has the same products as boss??
get it from our resident lenglui sarcast??
sorry..who is she ??

thanks

aww.. too bad im not leng lui...
hmm thanks for the list of pedals, it could help me too..

lol lol... the link .. http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/818527

HELLBABE HB01 - Dunlop Crybaby from Hell

I'm not too sure if you'd say that the Hellbabe equals the Crybaby.I used to have one,but it was a complete POS.

wow u really diggin this batuapi...
u've really filled me in...with this infamous fact abt roland/boss...
i mean it really changed my perspective...
u know thanks alot..
i think i will look for berhinger...
ive heard if this brand but i rarely see it anywhere...
but u intro me to sarcast...
i might consider get it from her....

just a random tought...
how come u know all this?
when did u started to become an anti-roland..
haha...

keep in touch

done blurting out your knowledge yet? you want a medal for that? no need to shoot freakfingers for nothing.

well you seem to b!tch about a lot of things. this is life man, deal with it. you think you 1 person can make everyone boycott roland, of all brands? who do you think you are?

people buy roland products for a reason. you get what you give, quality made products. if you prefer to stinge on everything you see then by all means, do it i dunno if you're content with that, but as long as its cheap i think you will be.

but this doesn't mean that all behringer products are bad, ive tried some and i own a behringer amp. i just prefer roland. now sue me.

Which is why I buy MXR pedals

Don't kill me!!!!!

But I have to agree with batuapi and say that some Boss ARE overpriced. Compared to the US (which I do go often), Boss pedals are dirt cheap, which is why almost everyone there uses. It isn't much of a price diff in the US between Boss and Behringer, and even that..... Danelectro has some awesome pedals that are REALLY dirt cheap.

But again, it's all a matter of taste. I personally DESTROY my pedals. I don't care about losing weight..... I'm fat. I don't give a damn.... I want mah chicken! And I want a pedal that can take the abuse. These are just some of my observations..... again..... this is according to MY taste. Your opinion can be totally different, and I can respect that.

So far, I own a MXR ZW-44 Overdrive, M169 Analog Delay, ZW-45 Wah, GCB95 Wah and the MXR Power Brick. Then there is the Digitech Hardwire TL-2 Metal pedal and the Whammy, as well as the Boss NS-2 noise Reducer. Of all these pedals, the one that I really want to change is the boss pedal..... mostly because it doesn't meet my expectations for a noise reducer at the moment. Also, I find most Boss (and Behringer) pedals too digital for my liking..... again..... THIS IS JUST MY PREFERENCE. I'm not forcing my opinions down your throats...... I'm just writing what I like.
I've heard many Electro Harmonix pedals and they sound awesome as well, but I don't really need some of their pedals and would stick to something I like.

I've tried so many other delay pedals, and they sound either too digital, or not enough options for me. My MXR Carbon Copy Analog Delay is so far the sweetest I've heard. The slap back config is EXCELLENT and I use it a ton on cleans. The MXR Chorus pedal is the other pedal high on my wish list, mostly because it sounds so damn good. I've tried the Boss pedals, but they don't really match the sound that I'm after. Maybe the CE-5, but I'd rather invest in the MXR as it lasts longer (Subjective, but that's what I feel). I've tried so many other chorus, but they either lack features (like a 3 band EQ) or doesn't sound as "sweet" to me.

And as for overdrives......... my ZW-44 Overdrive is perfect for overdriving my semi-hot Marshall, aand really don't want to try anything else. My undying whorness for Zakk Wylde might also be apart of that.

Also, some of you might know that I've been looking for awhile to get a Metal distortion..... something like a Mesa in a box, and the Livewire was the closest I could get. It's basically a souped up Metal Zone, which is what I was looking for in the first place. You should give the Livewire series a test. They are quite awesome.

I dunno what I'm rambling about, but the bottomline is, try out pedals and THEN judge for yourself if it's good or not. Sure, Boss might be overpriced, an MXR even MORE overpriced, but if it sounds good to you, then it'll be worth every single cent you paid for.

hmmm im not on sides actually..=)
but u got a point there....
and batuapi has his own points as well..
i guess now its all up to ur own knowledge to decide..
eh...
i used to bought my bass at roland....hmm...
just a quick tought....
is bently under roland????

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Added on November 7, 2008, 1:18 amwhen i went to woh fatt in KL..2 days ago...to get a tuner..and some picks..
they say the same thing about boss...
because i asked them about the metal core...

aniwei
now blacktrix just gave me a new name in
the world of pedals..
MXR..
and what do u mean by " sound to digital"
please tell me...
but according to u..MXR is very pricey eh??
where can i find these pedals?

thanks=)

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Added on November 7, 2008, 1:20 amfreakfingers12.....is that john petrucci on ur display pic??

This post has been edited by beastwars: Nov 7 2008, 01:20 AM

Batuapi........ you can argue your point all you like. Not a problem for me. In fact, I welcome it. Your opinion definitely matters and you have been a good, if not great contributor......

But any name calling just makes you feel like a whiner and someone who can't win an argument who has to resort to name calling.
If you want any respect, please change the tone of your posts.
That goes the same to you too SweetTooth.

If this gets out of hand and turns into a flame thread (remember the last time bman???), I'll have to close and delete this thread........

yeah....
i like all ur debates and such...
it widens my horizon in looking for the right pedal...
but lets not get too creeckhy...

ok here's another tought...
ive listen to the sounds samples on boss and behringer websites...
i found that behringer sounds...is erm less than i expected...
please tell me if this is a faulty of the sound recording from behringer
or behringer really sounds like that???

thanks..

Well, actually, that is what most hobbyist and recording artist does. Most artists use standard Boss pedals, (yes made in Taiwan ones included). Quite simply because they need what works not stinge on every little detail of the tone which can't be brought out with the simplicity of a 1 amp 1 pedalboard setup.
This also says something other than what you call Boss a cheap business oriented company is that we're paying for reliability as well.

Sure you can say that the tonality of a copy, say Behringer is similar but you also get what you pay for. Don't forget that the pedal not only runs on capacitors and resistors, they also run on a myriad of other components like the switches, instrument jacks and such. And for your information, those are the parts that suffers the most wear and that you should be complaining about. Even some mods use carbon resistors. Why? you may ask, quite simply because it serves a different purpose. Metal films sure have low noise but they aren't able to dirty a signal which makes it less preferred (in many cases) for the built of a distortion pedal. So your argument about parts, is a little shaky.

I've had a Behringer and it crapped out on me in a year, and I mainly play at home in my room. Given that, the pedal did do its job, but what I see now is a hundred bucks down the drain because the pedal didn't even last a year, will cost me more money (probably 30-50 bucks) for a fix and it has little resale value.
On the other hand, I have a 20 year old Boss pedal, which is still kicking strong. I'm quite sure my newer MIT Boss would last that long as well.

And those vintage collectors whom amuses you, why are you so affected by their affinity for vintage gear? Sure, they may know jacksh-t bout anything other than tone, so what? If it makes them happy then so be it. What has it to you?

Also I'd like you to respect all others who don't share the mind path as you do. Sure you can rave, praise and worship cheaper alternatives all you like. But it makes no sense, shows no maturity in calling names to people who disagrees. You may not like it, but it's easy to just set aside the differences right?
And by the way, please don't undermind anyone whom aren't really interested in finding out how things work. It's just who they are, and if you have a problem with that, keep it to yourself.

i had a Behringer GD121 before ..

first when i bought it , @ RM150 ...
i realized that the pedal kick ass ...for RM150 ..and you're getting almost 70% of Sans amp GT-2 ...

But okay lah ..that is just for playing in the bedroom lah right ? ..


later i tried playing it at a gig ..
It couldn't cut through ..

it feels very thin , even after i pump the mids from the amp ..
it is not something that can fight with keyboards or cymbals..
definitely not what i'm looking for ..

i sold it off..

Everdying just sold his off too right ? maybe he can give us some of his experience with GD121


so my conclusion is ..GD121 , is a great pedal , for RM150 ..yeap..reliability is there as well..
but it is limited lah for bedroom , and maybe recording (you can use it as a DI also right..)

but for gigs ? nah . ibanez TS9DX still works the best ..and blacktrix was mentioning about MXR carbon copy ?
darrencw has one , i tried it that day ...kick ass pedal ..totally blew my mind ..

This post has been edited by gapnap: Nov 7 2008, 03:01 AM

Lol. Batuapi dude.. u really know how to press the right buttons on 99% of the members here. The purity of this discussion is long gone.. But I still feel like trying out some behringer pedals. Personally i hate effects, but I am starting to realise the importance of things like a compressor and a noise gate. plus i'll probably need something to boost my amp. anyone know where i can go out and test some behringer pedals?? AVEM has some.. But I only saw like 3 models at their shop. Anywhere else?

so let me get this straight ?
ur telling me that..the boss pedal is longer lasting ?
its durability is high ?

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Added on November 7, 2008, 7:46 amplease tell me what does compressor and noise gate does?
sorry for asking..
thanks....


This post has been edited by beastwars: Nov 7 2008, 07:46 AM

the boss pedal.. erm.. enclosures are made of metal. behringer ones are made of plastic. nice thick plastic though. as for lasting.. i wouldnt know. i'm not that old.

simply put a compressor makes notes that u pick hard sound as soft as notes that u pick soft. and vice versa. it evens out the sound so you sound better while playing.

noise gate shuts your amp up when you arent playing/picking at a string.

Well, that's where you're wrong. My pedals circuitry is fine. I used a regulated 9V adapter. Checked the ratings though a multimeter. They're fine. In fact, it was running on a 9V battery for like half of its lifespan.
The switch is what broke. It doesn't respond well anymore.
And again, it's like I said, it doesn't really float my boat. If it does for you, or others, why are you so persistent in trying to get others to think your way? I guess you have quite the hard time understanding the term preference.

Look I'm not here to start a firefight with you. It's just plain irrational to call people names who doesn't agree with you. Is it that hard to treat others with some degree of respect?

This post has been edited by sean392: Nov 7 2008, 11:26 AM

err....if i recalled correctly, batuapi and bman is the same person. even how they put their words is the same.

anyway, your view is valid batuapi, but the way you deliver them is rude. just plain rude(as always). you gain no respect from me. looking down on everyone as if you're the greatest. what? you have inferiority complex or something?

brother ..maybe you should stop relying on youtube ...


you see , i own both pedals at the same time ..plus i gig with both of em' ...
i had compared it side by side ..
a youtube video wouldn't change my opinion..


okay , lets not go into the fact that video recordings ..will actually change the tone , different riggs and stuff ..too pointless to argue about that..i think you and i can understand each other at this level...


thing about this video is ..
did he tweak , the Bass and Treble knob ? or he remain at 12o clock ..

Sansamp GT-2 EQ range..is much better than the behringer ..as i increase the trebles of both pedals , i find that GD121 increase much lesser , both trebles and mids ..compared to GT-2 ..

so what happens when my Trebles on both pedals are both full ...
it became very different ..
GT-2 was screamin' ...GD121 still sounded like it was 12 o clock...

You can visit me at SS2 if you wanna test ..i can show you but i dont have GD121 now ..

i will not comment on other behringer pedals , cause i nvr owned them before ..
i think Behringer makes excellent mics and bass amp ..even their starter pack guitar is not bad ..
but GD121 , really tak boleh lah..

This post has been edited by gapnap: Nov 7 2008, 12:53 PM

flamewars spotted.

now you sound like a teenager with raging hormones. did i even say i disagree with you?

yes, everyone has their own opinion, but the way they deliver it shows people who they are are. so what? you have an opinion and some people disagree, so that gives you the right for childish name calling. seriously, grow up. stop acting like the "punk kid" attitude is cool. learn some manners when giving an opinion on a public forum.

by your posting attitude i can tell that you are not working in any professional field, are you?

p/s: acting all tough in an internet forum is still "no balls" to me.

so your existence is practically meaningless. i feel sorry for you. good luck in your future.

Behringer sux, it has a funny logo

hmmm....
all i started was a thread abt pedals..
but i did not expect it cud happen like this..
all i wanted was people who has more experience in pedals
to fill me in....
now...the question in my thread is was beyond what ur all talking abt here..
aniwei....i hope u all can cool down and take it ease..
i mean is just pedals rite....
which is better or worst is up 2 the people to decide...
sorry if anything....

Weih, why everybody still layaning bman? ... I mean, batuapi.

Batuapi, all I can say is. One day later you will realize all your acts on forums here are very childish. Just take one step back dude and see what is really going on on every side, not only your side. Maybe you will see things differently sometimes.. I know you're trying hard to insult others because you yourself just don't want to feel the hurt first, yeah? So you lash out at the world.

Honestly I have dealt with people like you, and in those times, I realize they will almost 99% NEVER accept what the others tell them. Question is.. are you the 99%, or the 1%?

Whatever. Carry on, it's your own problem in life, not mine.




This post has been edited by skindred: Nov 7 2008, 07:09 PM

well...my parents stopped funding me since 16..

my alternative was 2nd hand ...Jamtank and ibands were the early ones ..

anyway ..something strike me lah...


batuapi..

i see your point lah ..between BOSS vs Behringer ..but we're talking about buying Brand new right ...
what about the alternatives ...2nd hand stuff..

fact 1: there are very little , close to none , behringer 2nd hand pedals for sale ..

fact 2 : there are plenty of used BOSS DS-1 , going for RM100 , SD-1 going for RM90 , CH-1 going for RM150 ..etc..even here @ lowyat..
let alone lelong , jamtank , ibands , ebay ..

price of behringer pedals , between RM120-RM200 ?

isn't a used BOSS pedal , almost the same price with a Brand new Behringer pedal ? and it is not hard to find a mint condition BOSS ..
if i were to choose between a behringer , and a used BOSS at almost the same price , knowing that BOSS will have a better resale value ..i would pick a BOSS ...right ?


Plus , the distributor of Behringer in Malaysia , if i am not mistaken , is by a sound system company in Jalan Pasar...and i have no confidence in this type of companies for my warranty lah ..

This post has been edited by gapnap: Nov 7 2008, 07:51 PM

Holy wall of text.Here's my question to you, have YOU ever played the Hellbabe?I really have no idea about the other Behringer pedals, but I hated mine.So speaking from my experience, it sucked.Perhaps the other Behringer pedals you 'endorse' are up to boutique pedal standards but my Hellbabe was absolute rubbish.

Anyway TS, I would purchase a Biyang or Danelectro pedal if I were you because of my bad experience with that POS.I've tried a Biyang Metal King(That's the model if I'm not mistaken) and it was seriously good.Better than an MT-2,IMO.

woah this thread has grown so much, too much to reply to

your statement is too general and stereotypical. You sound like the typical theorical person who has all the facts in the world but no actual experience to prove it. don't worry, you're not alone

you're doubting someone of gapnap's experience and credibility?

not sure if you're refering to me, but if you are, do drop me a PM so we could arrange a meet up maybe? i'll buy you a drink if i like you

This post has been edited by SweetTooth: Nov 7 2008, 11:24 PM

can u tell me more abtout this biyang and danelectro pedal?
how much do they cost roughly?
becoz i seriously never heard of this brand...
thanks..

wow batuapi
u seems to have info to anything about pedals.
thanks for sharing the info to me..

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Added on November 8, 2008, 1:37 amdoes the the wah from vox brand any good?

This post has been edited by beastwars: Nov 8 2008, 01:37 AM

are you sure?

batu api lagi....
well, i'll take on BOSS products anytime. even if they're more expensive, its worth the money.
and yeah, if someone couldnt afford getting a NEW BOSS pedal, 2nd hand BOSS pedals at reasonable price are always around.

btw bro, the rich kids fail how many papers, so wuts the big deal? at least he shred better as he knows wuts best


NO, definitely NOT

of course...i'm just a salesman who;

a) definitely tried more and owned more gears than u never imagined, and

b) have more exposure of gears compared to you.

c) have people vouch for me.





many will agree that your options is dog poo/cow dung.


i don't find your options are really "options" at all. if that pile of rubbish posted were "options", i believe i offered more options compared to you.


who gives a damn about your options anyway?

well i cant say much
but he is the one so far
been asnwering my questions...
i mean erm if there's any problem with the info
please tell me.
thanks

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Added on November 8, 2008, 9:34 amwhy u all seems to dislike batuapi so much ?
u guys had some history or sumthing?
i mean its just pedals...riiiggghhtt?????

This post has been edited by beastwars: Nov 8 2008, 09:34 AM

^+1





This post has been edited by ianhooi: Nov 8 2008, 10:35 AM

hmmmm

batuapi ..in my opinion ..there are some things that you are not clear about ..and you clearly don't understand..
which is okay ..cos you not in KL i guess or less exposure ..


1.dealers and warranty ...
have you ever tried claiming warranty in Malaysia ? even if you buy brand new Behringer , or BOSS ...
As long as a product is not in a sellable condition
there is no such thing as 1 to 1 exchange policy ..even if you manage to exchange 1 to 1 because the owner is your friend or anything..
the cost of exchange is bear by the dealers , not the suppliers ..

you bring your spoiled behringer to the place where you bought in JB , they will ask you to take it to Jalan Pasar Branch , or their supplier ..
when you reach there , Jalan Pasar Branch will tell you there is no stock ..and keep pushing it away ..

they will only repair your pedal AT MOST , but you gotta pay for the parts ..

plus , at every warranty card ..it states..
the moment a buyer uses another adapter that isn't BOSS (Or Behringer)
the warranty is void ..

even the slightest modification , or some brands , when you open to see your circuit board
warranty is void ..

not easy to keep it you know .




2.Things are changing , there is warranty in buying used gear ..

maybe you're in JB , too caught up in the JB-Singapore Gear price war..
so you don't really understand how things in KL are like ..
there is warranty if you buy second hand products..
there are people who are trying to make a difference ..
i can name you many ..

Tone zone , Fret dance , Fatty n skinny , guitar pro shop , guitar kaki , awakening ...
all of them provide warranty for 2nd hand products ..they all hired their own technicians to maintain them ..

most of the shops have a ready physical shop , with ready technicians to treat the spoil products ..
some of it even better , offer you 100% cash back guarantee ..

How long will the warranty of brand new products last ?
1 year ? ...2 years at most .

How long will the warranty of used gear sellers last ?
they are your friend , and you know them personally(if you in KL) . definitely much longer than brand new



3.On dealers and discounts .
i got this when you mentioned , They get better margin selling boss stuff.

every dealer knows , there is no such thing as that ..bro..
we get discounts , based on the PRODUCT , not on the BRAND ...

Give example , Deadeye's Microcube ..
he is giving away 25% off for a roland microcube , try asking him how much is he selling other roland products
the answer is , he can't give you 25% on other roland products ..
the reason is simple ,
either the supplier wants to CLEAR all the microcube (over supply) , there is a target sales on microcube..
all this are adjusted and determine by the supplier ..

Same goes for Behringer ...
Normal Dealers are getting 20% off for Behringer ..
There was a period of time , few years back , Behringer wanted to clear ALL their sound system products ...
the whole thing was going for 30% off ..
but , their microphones , headphones , DI BOX that are selling so well , the most they will give is 15% off..

that is why , you go CK music sales ..
not everything is 20% off
VOX AD VT-XL can go up to 35% off ...
but , the old Vox AD series , only can go up to 15% off ..

same brand , different products ..

and the point is ..
there are things , for BOSS ..we make better margins than Behringer...yes ..
but there are also certain Behringer products , we make much HIGHER margins than BOSS ..hint..amps.
i am sure deadeye and guitarkaki have access to Behringer stuffs if you ask

This post has been edited by gapnap: Nov 8 2008, 02:01 PM

cool i got dragged in cos of fagnap

my GDI21...i got it brand new for RM70...clearance stock.
i had a GT2 as well, decided to try the GDI21 as ppl said it was similar but with more gain, from the early batches when the sansamp original was just that...original and not renamed classic.
well, only the more gain part was correct.
but pedals also do not do that well in live as they are made more for direct recording.
but heck, even the sansamp most ppl use it for adding warmth to vocals etc rather than for guitars.

well, first thing u can start is by convincing the masses and not just this forum then.
some figures for u from google.

avg searches per month WITHIN malaysia
for boss, these are the top 3 searches.
boss pedal - 49,500
boss pedals - 33,100
boss effects pedals - 5,400

behringer pedal - 28
behringer pedals - 2,900

the top behringer searches are for their DJ equipment suprisingly, even that also its under 10,000.

I already told you that if you caused problems here bman....... will close the thread.
Well you just did that. Congrats.
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