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 new myvi or corolla seg ae 111 ?, which one is better fc?

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post Oct 31 2008, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Oct 31 2008, 08:43 PM)
i also suspect his gear ratio or his tacho got problem...
as i remember my old toyota 4A-E 1.6cc manual can reach 80km/h @ 2200rpm and 100km/h 2500rpm...
my old car all in stock condition included rims and tires...
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So why is the reason BOTH my SEG have different RPM for 110kmh?

The first SEG runs 90 at 3000
The second SEG runs 90 at 2800

Both same model, 1.6 litres manual
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post Oct 31 2008, 08:56 PM

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i would go for the ae111.....

i used to drive ae101 to work before swapping my ride for a honda accord......

the FC is really good and it really solid...... even myvi is not a match for the ae series.....

and it quite reliable as well... now my dad still used it to drive to work occasionally..... as it has good FC....

dun worry bout the maintainece coz ae series has lots of spare parts in malaysia and its not really expensive...

even u go 2 any of the chop shop, u will sure get the spare parts...

This post has been edited by duckevo: Oct 31 2008, 08:58 PM
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post Oct 31 2008, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(e30 @ Oct 31 2008, 08:14 PM)
what are 4AGEZ 20v engines?? never heard of that before. as far as i know, for the SEG (101/111) the most popular mod are 4age 20v silvertops or the newer blacktops. if you're referring to 4AGZE, that is a fairly old supercharged engine. but since TS is going for FC, why even suggest forced induction. if later on TS wants to swap engines, then to me blacktops are the best bet.
well TS, since you're buying from your bro i suppose you're getting it slightly cheaper than market price. since its very well looked after, go for it. if you want cheaper options, i highly suggest AE101..
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Yo dude. Cool it la.
Just some suggestive suggestions for future mods la icon_rolleyes.gif
If he wants to take the suggestion, he can ask more about it.

I was also comparing apple with apple. You should know that K3VET is turbocharged right...how can I pop in a 4AGE N/A engine and compare with a turbo-charged K3VET?

For FC main concerns, yeah, just stick to the ori engine. TS wont go wrong with taking over the bro's AE101.

Cheers! rclxms.gif

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post Oct 31 2008, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Oct 31 2008, 08:43 PM)
i also suspect his gear ratio or his tacho got problem...
as i remember my old toyota 4A-E 1.6cc manual can reach 80km/h @ 2200rpm and 100km/h 2500rpm...
my old car all in stock condition included rims and tires...
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so high meh?? sure or not>? my family own the car for 16 years already.... never have problem woh with tacho or gear woh.. mechanic never say anything also.

i started driving it 5 years ago. the RPM is the same until now.

my car 150K mileage only.

u manual, u use which gear for 80km/h? highest gear?

my Tachometer, if i floor the pedal, it's only switch gear at the red line woh. got problem?

This post has been edited by fillet: Oct 31 2008, 09:23 PM
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post Oct 31 2008, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(fillet @ Oct 31 2008, 09:22 PM)
so high meh?? sure or not>? my family own the car for 16 years already.... never have problem woh with tacho or gear woh.. mechanic never say anything also.

i started driving it 5 years ago. the RPM is the same until now.

my car 150K mileage only.

u manual, u use which gear for 80km/h? highest gear?

my Tachometer, if i floor the pedal, it's only switch gear at the red line woh. got problem?
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my house's old car bought on 1985... never change wiring or mod the car before... of cos 5th gear @ 80km/h @ 2200rpm... then u should consult with ur mechanic why other auto car can change gear without red line lo...
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post Oct 31 2008, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(fillet @ Oct 31 2008, 07:58 PM)
i have AE101. i only replaced the Absorbers. Spring still using 16 yr old STOCK

if i change the spring to NEW AE101 OEM Spring, will ym ride height Change? will my car look ugly?

FC for Highway Driving, i drove 4-5 times already KL to AlorSetar

at 130-140km/h  10.5-11KM per Liter( confirmed, cause i always drive at this speed range)

At 120km/h  i think it's about 13km/L

i think the FC is reasonable for a 16yr old car.
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generally ur car should be higher a lil bit if ur spring already saggy

QUOTE(e30 @ Oct 31 2008, 08:14 PM)
what are 4AGEZ 20v engines?? never heard of that before. as far as i know, for the SEG (101/111) the most popular mod are 4age 20v silvertops or the newer blacktops. if you're referring to 4AGZE, that is a fairly old supercharged engine. but since TS is going for FC, why even suggest forced induction. if later on TS wants to swap engines, then to me blacktops are the best bet.
well TS, since you're buying from your bro i suppose you're getting it slightly cheaper than market price. since its very well looked after, go for it. if you want cheaper options, i highly suggest AE101..
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in some circumstances, force induction eventually help in FC with low boost that is thumbup.gif

QUOTE(karhoe @ Oct 31 2008, 08:15 PM)
My SEG 260k, everyday travel from Bukit Jalil to Sunway, RM40 for 5 days go and back.

I guess the FC is acceptable la, I travel 90-100 on highway RPM constantly 2800-3000rpm


Added on October 31, 2008, 8:16 pm

Converting to blacktops illegal or not?


Added on October 31, 2008, 8:20 pm

Wow really?

My SEG 1.6 run 90 at 2800rpm
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converting to blacktop perfectly legal if u endorsed with JPJ if u changed the whole halfcut..
i dont know whether our local 4A-FE block can rojak with 4A-GE Blacktop head or not sweat.gif

are u sure 90@ 2.8k? sound like a short ratio gearbox to me doh.gif
my car 110km/h @ 2.8k rpm but auto la tongue.gif
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post Oct 31 2008, 09:51 PM

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my car change gear red line because i floor the pedal...

once i floor the pedal, the car will downshift, then accelerate all the way until red line then change gear.

if i drive normally, 2.5k-3k change gear already.
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post Oct 31 2008, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(fillet @ Oct 31 2008, 09:51 PM)
my car change gear red line because i floor the pedal...

once i floor the pedal, the car will downshift, then accelerate all the way until red line then change gear.

if i drive normally, 2.5k-3k change gear already.
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it doesnt matter because ur km/h reading should be proportional to ur rpm
unless there was some clutch slippage then it wont vary
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post Oct 31 2008, 09:57 PM

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i still think 90-100 km/h at 2.8k -3 K RPM is very very high...
my car in workshop now for some paint job. gonna try again when it's done

Wait.... is the tyre size STOCK or what?? if the previous owner tukar the Size, and never calibrate the meter properly, it may show you the wrong speed.

mine is 185/65R14

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post Oct 31 2008, 10:05 PM

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if changed to 15", ur tyre height will be lessen like:
185/65/14 VS 185/55/15

in the end, it still wont vary too much
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post Oct 31 2008, 10:07 PM

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new myvi is no match for a 10 year old toyota.

i own a AE110, and i just sat on my fren's new myvi SE, 0km on the speedo.. i thought to myself, everything just doesn't feel right in a myvi. tongue.gif

no offence to Myvi owner
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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Oct 31 2008, 09:10 PM)
Yo dude. Cool it la.
Just some suggestive suggestions for future mods la  icon_rolleyes.gif
If he wants to take the suggestion, he can ask more about it.

I was also comparing apple with apple. You should know that K3VET is turbocharged right...how can I pop in a 4AGE N/A engine and compare with a turbo-charged K3VET?

For FC main concerns, yeah, just stick to the ori engine. TS wont go wrong with taking over the bro's AE101.

Cheers!  rclxms.gif
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yo i am cooling it. i initially asked coz in your earlier post you suggested a 4AGEZ 20V so i was like woah blink.gif toyota got new 20v izzit.. and since 4agze is a 16v, i thought it actually wasn't a typo. no big deal
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post Nov 1 2008, 02:57 AM

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soo FC seg and myvi for highway izit seg better izit ?
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post Nov 1 2008, 03:20 AM

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for SEG AE101 on Highway

it's about 12-13km/L if u drive at 110-120km/h .

Myvi, u have to find out and compare
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post Nov 1 2008, 03:25 AM

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real scenario:
im cruising at 140km/h on highway to malacca on wira sedan and my friend myvi following..
he eventually called me asking me not to drive fast coz his car wobbling.. my friend in the myvi also confirm floaty like anytime will turn turtle tongue.gif
my point is: comfort level for highway cruising, still seg the best
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post Nov 1 2008, 03:29 AM

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seg ae111 have silvertop or blacktop and 4afe , silvertop and blacktop is 20v , power , handling , sedan , you decide rofl
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like they all mentioned, if you rather float in a boat on the highway everyday, get the myvi. cheers.
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post Nov 1 2008, 10:56 AM

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MYVI - City
SEG - Highway

If you care about your fuel consumption, please don't convert your engine to Silvertop (4AGE 20v), Blacktop (4AGE 20v) or supercharged engine (4AGZE 16v).

I once owned a AE101 that comes with a silvertop and I re-convert again into Blacktop. Although I could get about 230km @ RM30 (RM1.92/L) considering mine is the most fuel economic blacktop around town based on the members I known and also my fuel consumption is way better than some silvertop owners. The silvertop engine could get better mileage 260km @ RM30 (RM1.92/L)

Don't mentioned about the supercharged engine which has worse fuel consumption than silvertop and blacktop.

I can remember, cruising at 110 km/h my RPM is 3300 @ 5th gear both same with silvertop and blacktop.

Rev limit for silvertop is 7400 whilst for blacktop is 7900.

For the thread starter, if you have planned to convert your engine into either of those, considering buying a car with the engine conversion, you don't want to find the halfcut/endorsed with JPJ/spending time at the workshop. But still persists and hunting you if you are unlucky with the halfcut you got plus the workmanship.

If you want fuel consumption stay away from these engines and keep your engine healthy i.e. change your engine oil regularly and from my experience it doesn't matter which engine oil you used but make sure you change regularly. But I always use 10-40 grade.

As for other points like changing new absorber, etc... has been mentioned by other members so best if you take note of it.
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post Nov 1 2008, 03:01 PM

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oh ya..

never covert to AUTO 20v..it is a pain in ass to drive in city..the gear change is stupid..when u tekan slowly..u havent felt any power it already upshift to next gear then it feel like shit...if u tekan heavily..it give u 300km per full tank doh.gif

it dont have any power at all..if u want auto 20v might as well use stock 4afe
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post Nov 1 2008, 03:30 PM

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since your bro take good care of the car & replaced aged parts, it should be good to go rclxms.gif

my stock ae111 4AFE (A), current mileage 195k km, still strong. when bought second hand (i am now 3rd owner), changed 4 new tyres (stock rim), 4 new shocks only, timing belt, flush radiator, left & right front drive shaft, power steering rack, master brake pump, plug in platinum plugs (just changed to iridium today), some aged belts changed, it is real really good to go now.
cruising KL to JB 2 times with power steering rack leaking (left less than quarter in the bottle when reached JB), right drive shaft rubber cover leak, no problem all the way!

highway, >110km/hr also easily overtake. i get 15.xx-16.xx km/liter when fully cruise highway. just town driving 10.xx-11.xx km/liter & traffic jam (after plug in pivot blue, spark earth, hot inazma, grounding cables).
without pivot blue, spark earth, hot inazma, grounding cables, 13.xx-14.xx km/liter when fully cruise highway. just town driving 9.xx-10.xx km/liter & traffic jam. biggrin.gif drool.gif

compare SEG & Myvi, will never sell SEG but will sell MyVi if some1 offer.

so get urself SEG as ur bro take good care of it. stick to stock engine & consider overhaul after it aged.

This post has been edited by ch_teo: Nov 1 2008, 03:36 PM

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