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post Dec 12 2008, 12:10 AM

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Generally, the UMD official format is about 1.7Gb. Therefore, you can safely assume that there will be no games bigger than that, given there will be no games utilizing more than a single UMD. To me, the file size can be a general indicator of the game content, bigger size equal more content such as movie cutscenes, music files, and such. Therefore, you can see good games such as Tekken and Final Fantasy: Crisis Core consume the entire UMD disc. There is simply too much content, i think they even have to reduce the content during development to fit the game into the disc. If you have played Crisis Core, i think you would see the reason for the repetitive environments for all the side missions.

But sometimes, the file size could be big because the disc contains redundant data for multiple languages, such as NFS: Undercover. Although the disc utilizes more than 1Gb, but the game also contains contents for 5 languages at the same time, meaning the actual game is only a fraction of the size. Removing the contents for the other languages besides english, the game can be shrunk to about 390Mb with compression without losing any content.

On the extreme side, sometimes you can remove the multimedia contents such as cutscenes and musics that you don't need to further reduce the size of the game. Compression also helps to reduce size of games, but might cause lag in some games later on such as GTA series. Syphon Filter:Logan's Shadow can be reduced to about 30Mb, leaving you only with the online aspect of the game, the single player mode, cutscenes, music and voices totally removed.

As azaman stated out, the general rule is correct, most official games are about 600Mb, but can be as small as 300Mb (early day PSP games). Most games developed later are much larger, offering more content and entertainment. smile.gif
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QUOTE(azamen87 @ Dec 12 2008, 12:07 AM)
oooooo, ok...hmm.......but seriously does it means dat 20-30mb game is board game and puzzle game? oooo, game bosan2 small 1 la size?
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yeah, infact some PS1 eboot game is around 30++mb only.

Megaman X6, 36MB only and it works just like the Megaman X6 i played in PS1 last time on TV. Megaman X6 is not bosan LOL~ and the size is so small~

Some game with large file size up to 1GB is really boring sometimes.


So we cant judge a game by its file size.
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Dec 12 2008, 12:11 AM)
yeah, infact some PS1 eboot game is around 30++mb only.

Megaman X6, 36MB only and it works just like the Megaman X6 i played in PS1 last time on TV. Megaman X6 is not bosan LOL~ and the size is so small~

Some game with large file size up to 1GB is really boring sometimes.
So we cant judge a game by its file size.
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the ps1 game not included la, i mean official psp game only...official dat developers do for psp..


Added on December 12, 2008, 12:15 am
QUOTE(kaiyi @ Dec 12 2008, 12:10 AM)
Generally, the UMD official format is about 1.7Gb. Therefore, you can safely assume that there will be no games bigger than that, given there will be no games utilizing more than a single UMD. To me, the file size can be a general indicator of the game content, bigger size equal more content such as movie cutscenes, music files, and such. Therefore, you can see good games such as Tekken and Final Fantasy: Crisis Core consume the entire UMD disc. There is simply too much content, i think they even have to reduce the content during development to fit the game into the disc. If you have played Crisis Core, i think you would see the reason for the repetitive environments for all the side missions.

But sometimes, the file size could be big because the disc contains redundant data for multiple languages, such as NFS: Undercover. Although the disc utilizes more than 1Gb, but the game also contains contents for 5 languages at the same time, meaning the actual game is only a fraction of the size. Removing the contents for the other languages besides english, the game can be shrunk to about 390Mb with compression without losing any content.

On the extreme side, sometimes you can remove the  multimedia contents such as cutscenes and musics that you don't need to further reduce the size of the game. Compression also helps to reduce size of games, but might cause lag in some games later on such as GTA series. Syphon Filter:Logan's Shadow can be reduced to about 30Mb, leaving you only with the online aspect of the game, the single player mode, cutscenes, music and voices totally removed.

As azaman stated out, the general rule is correct, most official games are about 600Mb, but can be as small as 300Mb (early day PSP games). Most games developed later are much larger, offering more content and entertainment.   smile.gif
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hehe, love this sentence..dunno y...lol

This post has been edited by azamen87: Dec 12 2008, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE(kaiyi @ Dec 12 2008, 12:10 AM)
Generally, the UMD official format is about 1.7Gb. Therefore, you can safely assume that there will be no games bigger than that, given there will be no games utilizing more than a single UMD. To me, the file size can be a general indicator of the game content, bigger size equal more content such as movie cutscenes, music files, and such. Therefore, you can see good games such as Tekken and Final Fantasy: Crisis Core consume the entire UMD disc. There is simply too much content, i think they even have to reduce the content during development to fit the game into the disc. If you have played Crisis Core, i think you would see the reason for the repetitive environments for all the side missions.

But sometimes, the file size could be big because the disc contains redundant data for multiple languages, such as NFS: Undercover. Although the disc utilizes more than 1Gb, but the game also contains contents for 5 languages at the same time, meaning the actual game is only a fraction of the size. Removing the contents for the other languages besides english, the game can be shrunk to about 390Mb with compression without losing any content.

On the extreme side, sometimes you can remove the  multimedia contents such as cutscenes and musics that you don't need to further reduce the size of the game. Compression also helps to reduce size of games, but might cause lag in some games later on such as GTA series. Syphon Filter:Logan's Shadow can be reduced to about 30Mb, leaving you only with the online aspect of the game, the single player mode, cutscenes, music and voices totally removed.

As azaman stated out, the general rule is correct, most official games are about 600Mb, but can be as small as 300Mb (early day PSP games). Most games developed later are much larger, offering more content and entertainment.   smile.gif
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QUOTE(azamen87 @ Dec 12 2008, 12:14 AM)
the ps1 game not included la, i mean official psp game only...official dat developers do for psp..
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Yes I am taking PS1 game for referece. Just like other game.

Refer to Kaiyi's post, he did it good, good explaination up there about RIPPING and Compressing.

However about the 600mb, I have to disagree.

EDIT: I cant show screenshot of the game I have, my external harddisk adapter burnt, waiting for WD to send a replacement to me >.> but generally 600MB is the average size. still u can see many games ranging from 100++mb to 1gb++

This post has been edited by chicaman: Dec 12 2008, 12:18 AM
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post Dec 12 2008, 12:18 AM

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i agree to what chicaman say,coz nowadays,most of the game,with ripping or compressing,is about 1GB+
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Dec 12 2008, 12:16 AM)
Yes I am taking PS1 game for referece. Just like other game.

Refer to Kaiyi's post, he did it good, good explaination up there about RIPPING and Compressing.

However about the 600mb, I have to disagree.
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ok, evry1 entitled to their own comment, but plz la..next time dont kutuk2..

btw, thnx for info!!
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post Dec 12 2008, 12:24 AM

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7 wonders is psp oficial game? its only 70+ mb...
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post Dec 12 2008, 12:29 AM

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The 600Mb rule of thumb can be very subjective, but it worked out for me. Just that some games are already compressed when they're released, further compression will not help much. With the size of the original game image and the compression ratio managed to achieved lately, i think games are getting harder to compress, signs of UMD format reaching its limits. As a Final Fantasy fan, i really think that Crisis Core would be a much better game if they have more than 1.7Gb to play around with. And those programmers are really good, the UMD version shows no signs of lagging and gameplay is very smooth, equaling the speed you would achieve with a fake memory card, just that i don't like the buzzing sound of the UMD disc when i'm playing in a silent environment. smile.gif

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post Dec 12 2008, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(kaiyi @ Dec 12 2008, 12:29 AM)
The 600Mb rule of thumb can be very subjective, but it worked out for me. Just that some games are already compressed when they're released, further compression will not help much. With the size of the original game image and the compression ratio managed to achieved lately, i think games are getting harder to compress, signs of UMD format reaching its limits. As a Final Fantasy fan, i really think that Crisis Core would be a much better game if they have more than 1.7Gb to play around with. And those programmers are really good, the UMD version shows no signs of lagging and gameplay is very smooth, equaling the speed you would achieve with a fake memory card, just that i don't like the buzzing sound of the UMD disc when i'm playing in a silent environment.  smile.gif
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i agree bout the ff part...
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post Dec 12 2008, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(bonanno @ Dec 12 2008, 12:24 AM)
7 wonders is psp oficial game? its only 70+ mb...
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Yes it is, released in 23rd April 2007. There is even a review at IGN: 7 Wonders Review

You can always check out for reviews at Gamespot or at IGN. But don't trust their review so much, sometimes they tend to be very biased. Just use it to view some screenshots of the game and decide whether to get the game or not. Sometimes i think the reader's comment are more helpful.
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post Dec 12 2008, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(kaiyi @ Dec 12 2008, 12:37 AM)
Yes it is, released in 23rd April 2007. There is even a review at IGN: 7 Wonders Review

You can always check out for reviews at Gamespot or at IGN. But don't trust their review so much, sometimes they tend to be very biased. Just use it to view some screenshots of the game and decide whether to get the game or not. Sometimes i think the reader's comment are more helpful.
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wow..wht a nice helper ..send me link somemore..it really help...thx alot.. salute rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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Fun & bored games couldnt be judged by size matter only.

Sometimes,it depend on individual how they like the type of game (FPS,3rdPS,RPG,arcade style,etc).

Hence,it depends what type of games do u really like it to play on your PSP.

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post Dec 12 2008, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(irkuysm @ Dec 12 2008, 12:41 AM)
Fun & bored games couldnt be judged by size matter only.

Sometimes,it depend on individual how they like the type of game (FPS,3rdPS,RPG,arcade style,etc).

Hence,it depends what type of games do u really like it to play on your PSP.
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football manager is what type? i luv some simple game coz my finger so dumb to react fast...any nice intro to dumber like me? hmm.gif
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post Dec 12 2008, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(bonanno @ Dec 12 2008, 12:47 AM)
football manager is what type? i luv some simple game coz my finger so dumb to react fast...any nice intro to dumber like me? hmm.gif
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hehe i dont know ler,never get on my finger playing football manager typed game but u can try some game that require u tactic & strategy like Final Fantasy :Tactic or card game battle.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(irkuysm @ Dec 12 2008, 12:49 AM)
hehe i dont know ler,never get on my finger playing football manager typed game but u can try some game that require u tactic & strategy like Final Fantasy :Tactic or card game battle.. tongue.gif
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thx..sigh...dunno starcraft2 when will release..im not console gamer i think rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(bonanno @ Dec 12 2008, 12:47 AM)
football manager is what type? i luv some simple game coz my finger so dumb to react fast...any nice intro to dumber like me? hmm.gif
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Football manager is generally a football management/simulation game. It can be very boring to some players because all you see in the game is just tables, charts and just some 2d football field. You are to manage a football team as manager overseeing the team training, player transfer, squad selection, wages and more. I don't actually play Football Manager series, but I do play the football manager mode in Fifa2009. Its very addictive I tell you, sometimes I spend my weekend going through one premier league season. One thing I like about this Fifa2009 is that, even in manager mode, when sometimes got match that you feel is important to win or you just feel like playing instead of managing, you can actually jump into the game and play the normal kick-off mode. So basically you're playing 2 games in 1. That's me, I'm not sure how other people feel about the game, but I really feel the game is very good, might find a chance to buy a real UMD disc to thank EA for their efforts biggrin.gif

Being a slow react player myself, I do agree that sometimes games that require reflexes can be quite frustrating, but give it a try anyway, playing a game is not about winning sometimes, its about spending some quality time with your PSP and getting some satisfaction out of it, unless your satisfaction comes from winning the game more than playing the game, you really have to play more slow paced game (like turn-based ones) tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kaiyi @ Dec 12 2008, 12:57 AM)
Football manager is generally a football management/simulation game. It can be very boring to some players because all you see in the game is just tables, charts and just some 2d football field. You are to manage a football team as manager overseeing the team training, player transfer, squad selection, wages and more. I don't actually play Football Manager series, but I do play the football manager mode in Fifa2009. Its very addictive I tell you, sometimes I spend my weekend going through one premier league season. One thing I like about this Fifa2009 is that, even in manager mode, when sometimes got match that you feel is important to win or you just feel like playing instead of managing, you can actually jump into the game and play the normal kick-off mode. So basically you're playing 2 games in 1. That's me, I'm not sure how other people feel about the game, but I really feel the game is very good, might find a chance to buy a real UMD disc to thank EA for their efforts  biggrin.gif

Being a slow react player myself, I do agree that sometimes games that require reflexes can be quite frustrating, but give it a try anyway, playing a game is not about winning sometimes, its about spending some quality time with your PSP and getting some satisfaction out of it, unless your satisfaction comes from winning the game more than playing the game, you really have to play more slow paced game (like turn-based ones)  tongue.gif
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wow..sound interesting..would try..i left FF behind long time ago since i sold my ps2..and i more prefer Winning 11..
i totally agreed with you that enjoying gaming part..as long as it fun..and satisfy ...anyway..thx..i will get it soon.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

now im crazy the casino payout..any cheat code for me to get enuf the star to unlock the next casino?
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cw_cheat application is your answer or you can just googled it up.

http://dl.qj.net/CWCheat-0.2.2-REV.D-PSP/p...23895/catid/114

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post Dec 12 2008, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(irkuysm @ Dec 12 2008, 01:11 AM)
cw_cheat application is your answer or you can just googled it up.

http://dl.qj.net/CWCheat-0.2.2-REV.D-PSP/p...23895/catid/114
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thx man..i was just googling it..appreciate that..viewing youtube bout d instalation


Added on December 12, 2008, 1:23 amdoes its only apply to certain version cfw?

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I have 80% chance that my dad will buy me PSP by next week or I need to get straight A's again on the February exams...

In case he buy it when we go to KL next Sunday anything I should be aware of? Like checking the motherboard or something? (Is there any motherboard that isntt hackable?)

I'm planning to get PSP2000 since PSP3000 isnt hackable, but then my dad would probably choose PSP3k because it's cheaper, and maybe the shop doesnt have any psp2k stocks. (And possibly recommend me a shop. Should I buy it at sony centre or anywhere else like lowyat or something)

Is PSP3k interlacing problem that bad? And is the PSP3k will be hack anytime soon?

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