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 SVS subwoofer, How many users here? Just courious

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post Oct 27 2009, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(kiam @ Oct 27 2009, 12:00 AM)
i don't think so. i just calibrated it to 75db reference. and did a loopback to for soundcard.
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Thats why its so low. Load the cal curves for the SPL Meter u r using. Its in the Calibrate SPL Meter Settings page, u need to download the cal curves from the same place u downloaded REW. They have a set of curves for the RS Meters, CM140, and Behringers mics.
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post Oct 27 2009, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Oct 27 2009, 07:48 AM)
Glad you were able to test the JL F113. However, some of the conclusions you have reached are erroneous. The amp wattage alone does not tell the full story about how loud the sub can go. If Mr Kwan is giving you that impression then his info is misleading. The difference in bass perception is due to the different room. If you really want to do a shootout between 2 subs, test them in the same room then you will get the true picture.

Secondly the EQ1 doesn't only benefit SVS subs, it can benefit any sub. It is not a must to pair the SVS + EQ1 - please read up on the EQ1 and what it does before jumping to more erroneous conclusions.
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jchong,

I gave up trying to educate people last night. I was also given some very good advise on how I shd go for some for some chill classes. Appreciate the advise though. I believe I spend too much time trying to impart knowledge when people are not receptive. Comparing apples to oranges is the norm these days.
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post Oct 27 2009, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 27 2009, 01:41 PM)
biggrin.gif  heard they recommend you to go anger management class..
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Yup... laugh.gif

My wife would have been amused.
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post Nov 11 2009, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Nov 11 2009, 12:32 PM)
This is a delicate issue. Probably audiophiles might shoot me on this.

In a way, most audiophiles prefer to have a pair of floorstanders / stand mount speakers to produce music. However, there is a limitation in most of these unless you have a very capable speakers that is full range / full band. In this way, you do not have any 'missing link' when you listen music.

When there is a freq bandwidth limitation in the speakers, a good sub that is being set correctly to complement the system will yields a better music reproduction since you are hearing more details  smile.gif
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One thing to note is that traditionally, unless there is a lot of pipe organ and boom box bass in the music, most of the music does not have a lot of content in the 20-50Hz region.

A good speaker shd be able to handle the higher frequencies pretty well. However, a good sealed sub with accurate bass response (typically will not do low frequencies at high dB) is never a bad thing for music.

The most important thing for a sub for music is how well it is integrated into the 2 channel system. As htkaki says, it shd never muddle out the higher frequencies that is the main consideration.
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post Nov 11 2009, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Nov 11 2009, 01:11 PM)
Thanks for the clearer explanation. So lets say if i were activate my sub for music, what mode do i select?

Also, isnt it a hassle to always tune your sub for movies then for music? I've never try it before but i think the mid bass might overwhelm the sound if i were to use a sub for music.
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On the 876, select the Stereo mode. That activates bass management, Audyssey and 2.1 setup.

Audyssey does the tuning for u, the only problem is the roll off in the higher frequencies.

Personally, I do not like the Audyssey implemention for music due to the roll off on the Onkyos. This is where I believe the Denon does it better with the Audyssey Flat.

Anyway, I set up my room (fronts and sub) for music, then run Audyssey for movies. I don't use the Onkyo for music. The effect of the "equalization" somehow makes the experience too digital when listening. Experiment with the modes if u like.

BTW all THX modes with RE-EQ on the Onkyos give u a flat response with no roll off.


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QUOTE(eye @ Nov 11 2009, 02:31 PM)
Pure Audio mode (in my nr807) disables the display & video circuitry only. With my subwoofer configured ON, pure direct mode does not disable the subwoofer. I have a choice 2.1, 3.1 or 5.1 speakers config. Same for Direct and Stereo mode too.
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Pure mode will not carry out any crossover settings in the Audyssey as such only 2 channel shd be present. Are you sure that if u send a proper audio signal to the Onkyo (ie, CD 2 channel stereo) you are getting output from the subwoofer. If it is, something is wrong. However, if the audio does have .1 information (ie, SACD, DVDA) it will be output as such but without any crossover settings.

Direct is different, if it receives a 5 channel it will output 5 channel.
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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Nov 11 2009, 03:15 PM)
OK another question (sorry) here, for movies, if i select the DIRECT mode, am i missing out anything?

Especialy for Blu Rays?
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No room correction applied so in essence no bass management as well since Xovers are bypassed.

BTW, maybe we shd move this to the relevant threads ie, Onkyo before the SVS guys ask me to stop hijacking their thread.

Sorry for the OT.
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Nov 11 2009, 03:22 PM)
if one is into Classical or Rock, a dedicated sub does help..
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Classical I understand for the pipe organs, why rock?
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QUOTE(eye @ Nov 11 2009, 04:28 PM)
ooo im not entirely sure ... i was just quoting from the manual .... ahahahah!! That's why i like this forum so much, it's a learning adventure for me ......  thank you all!!
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eye,

Looks like the XXX7 series is slightly different when it comes to Pure Audio implementation. So, my analogy is for all before the XXX7 series.

Maybe you can test it, I am not sure how they are matrixing a stereo source using Pure Audio.
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QUOTE(eye @ Nov 11 2009, 04:28 PM)
ooo im not entirely sure ... i was just quoting from the manual .... ahahahah!! That's why i like this forum so much, it's a learning adventure for me ......  thank you all!!

i do recall that for pure/direct 2 channel stereo source, the output shud be confined to FL & FR speakers. if that is the case perhaps the front speakers wud auto back to full range. but im more of a casual music listener these days and hey the multichannel outputs for PLII, 5.1stereo and thx music coupled with the SVS Woofer is not bad to my unlearned ears. depending on the music genre, some are pretty good actually, they are very enveloping tho the pure hifi'ists wud say NO that's not a representation of the LIVE performance tongue.gif
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Pure Audio is the same as Direct but with the video circuitry and all processing off. Hence, if u send it a 7.1 signal thru HDMI, then u get all channels. However, if u send a 2 channel signal, u get a 2 channel config out. So bass management and no bass downmixing. The only way to enable the sub for stereo is to use the "Stereo" mode, that way bass management is active and the sub is engaged.
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QUOTE(eye @ Nov 25 2009, 06:56 PM)
Ahahah thanks i read that.

The oppo costs more than twice a regular bdplayer. Granted tat it is region free, can play mkv, sacd & dvdaudio, much classier built, it's kinda hard to foot out that amt of $$$ for a slightly better pq only .... im resisting ahahahaha!!!!
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If u don't need the extra features, just get a BD60 and be happy.

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