jchong/htkaki,

Is this confirmed?

htkaki,

Congratulations on a successful event! Hope more good things to come. I would have really loved to be there. The prices advertised were phenomenal!

Ron, sorry too late today, maybe tomorrow we can do some cals.

Yes, in fact Audyssey has more resolution in the lower frequencies than in the higher frequencies.

If u use REW, I believe u can set up the filters for BFD and import them into the BFD. Another option is anti-mode. Anti-mode is an easier tool to use and does all the adjustments for you.

I believe it is the same, no differences.

lightning69,

There are 2 things that I made my mind up abt u. One is, ur're a smart guy and another u are ok when it comes to spending money. However, there are a few things I cannot understand. There has been many explanations as why it costs more to buy the SVS products here. Tax is definately something that cannot be escaped and shd not be even attempted. So the tax rate of the electronic goods are 26.5%. Period. 2ndly, freight costs....as u can see the dealership brings it in by batches, so even if it is sea shipped there are costs associated to them. Period. Thirdly, no dealer in Malaysia or in any part of the world is doing all this for free, administrative costs, holding costs and other hidden costs are there (and believe me if he is doing a business there is a profit margin - I think we have to live with this). The numbers u quoted do not make sense, sorry, I made my calculations and it does not add up.

So based on all this, if this makes SVS unpopular here so be it, let it drop...u're a smart guy, let it drop. I think u have educated people (and I believe people who actually buy SVS can already do a search and check the US prices and work out the details so they understand what happens when they buy this stuff) who know this stuff. If they believe that it is too high, there are other options out there and they will take it.

If u don't want it, don't buy it!

U're in the O&G industry, I think I am sure u can appreciate and understand all this (Petroleum Sharing Contracts and the industry).

The number I used was lower than that at still it did not add up to 65%, I'm not sure where that comes from.

The numbers quoted so far, for me are reasonable, as it includes local warranty...

ligthning69,

Wow, u really made me look stupid with ur calculation here. However, this is not accurate at all...Sorry, I do not want to get into this argument with you, I admit when u put numbers up like this (not putting in freight and tax), for the person who just reads this will make my comment earlier abt where u got ur numbers believe that I am a dumb a** for not being able to do maths, and I take offence. Pls compare apple to apple. How can u put a % when u do not add in feight and tax...Totally does not make sense. U take the US price (even in the US there is shipping charges of USD99, so not sure where u can get free freight!), and there is no mention of tax and u compare and make 65%.

Forget it, u win, everyone here is trying to con people into paying more for the SVS....hopefully u get the next distributorship from SVS or any other company and run a charity organisation for all Malaysians. I think we need more philantropists like u in Malaysia anyway.

Must learn to STFU myself next time, why even bother!

Yeah, most probably will get some curves later this evening. I saw the MultiEQ curve correction done by the EQ1 and it was FLAT. Once he re-run Audyssey correctly I will take the waterfalls.

A quick update on ckyong's svs and eq1.

Firstly, his room has pretty good accoustics to start with. I did not see any major peaks that were a problem even without equalization. So EQ1 made it flatter.

Waterfalls again, looked good without Audyssey anyway. Some slow decay but from 20-30Hz. EQ1 helped to drop this better to floor noise by 500ms. I will post charts when I get the chance.

However, listening with and without EQ1, there were differences. The depth was much better with EQ1. Of course, this comparison was without Audyssey in the sub channel with EQ1 in the sub channel.

I am impressed with the EQ1. I already know of one person in Penang who absolutely will have to try it and hopefully I can get some curves later this week.

These are ckyongs charts.

These responses are for the sub+mains. Also no 1/3 octave smoothing has been applied.
Firstly,
Audyssey on + sub eq1 on


Pretty good response. Dips at 55Hz and 75Hz but pretty short dips.

2nd Chart
Audyssey off + subeq1 on


Again, sub response below 100Hz is pretty good, eq1 is doing a good job. Still see the dips as before.

3rd chart
Audyssey on + subeq1 off


At 1st look, not too bad. However, note the 20 -30Hz peaks. Surprisingly, the dip at 55Hz does not look too good. The Waterfall charts will show why there is some work going on by the eq1 on that region.

4th chart
I was not happy with the dip at 55Hz. I changed the Audyssey set crossover for the mains at 40Hz to 80Hz.


Dip at 55Hz much better. Overall much better response.

5th Chart
Waterfall chart of Audyssey + sub eq1 and crossover changed to 80Hz


Again, pretty good. Some peaks that remain after 500ms are in the 20-30Hz region. Floor noise at that time was 55Hz.

6th Chart
Waterfall with Audyssey on and sub eqoff


You can see the difference in the 20-30Hz region quite clearly. Without the Eq1 the 20-30Hz is pretty much still in the room at 500ms.

The changes are subtle but pretty audible, the bass in the lower regions are tighter not ringing in the room. Double bass guitar was spot in, some movie scenes were clearer, you could hear other things during high bass scenes, that would get masked without the eq1.

So, u make the decision. ckyong's room is very good to begin with. Now he gets the extra. I believe the people with more difficult rooms will benefit even more!

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Oct 26 2009, 09:46 AM

I believe so. If I apply smoothing, its pretty flat as well. The dips u see will disappear. For our purposes, smoothing shd not be applied.

Also remember the EQ1 is an average of all points, whereas REW is one point. If I take several points and average I can probably flatten it as well.

EQ1 charts are also only for the sub channel only. There will be some interaction below and at the crossover point from the mains. Remember the mains do play a role.

I prefer to do the charts with mains as this is the true reflection of the actual.

I also believe that Multi EQ XT will have more resolution compared to Multi EQ but it depends on the way the manufacturer implements it. FYI,this was done with Multi EQ (1709).

One thing to note, I have not made a comparison of allowing the sub to be equalized by Audyssey only compared to EQ1.

I do have an update but without charts.

As I was leaving, I asked ckyong to test one last scenario.

Put his setup and remove the Eq1 from the equation and redo Audyssey.

He sent me a note saying that the sound was boomy and not as good as with the EQ1.

I hope to confirm with measurements to verify but looking a the data earlier and knowing that there are almost 4X more resolution in the subwoofer channel compared to Audyssey in the MultiEQ I can believe it.

arremie,

My take is it beats a lot of subs out there. This extra is for perfection.

Remember, if what u r after is accurate bass, then the AS-EQ1 is needed, if all u want is bass, SVS gives it in abundance.

arremie,

Its no harder to tame than any other sub. My personal preference is accurate bass. So I prefer a flat response since I would also use it for music. For HT, people normally prefer it hotter, so it can be tuned accordingly.

I'll make it clear if I was not clear before.

SVS AS-EQ1 is not necessary to enjoy ur subwoofer. Any subwoofer.

However, like any sub, placement and room treatment is necessary for perfection.

If all you care about is the boom and the bang, don't need EQ1 to do that.

If you looking to get accurate bass and time domain correction (which u can also get by doing various room treatment) you can add the EQ1.

The EQ1 can be used with any sub, as the posts by ckyong shows.

PS. I don't sell the EQ1 nor am I affiliated to anyone who does sell. If u believe that SVS is not affordable anymore, don't buy it. If u don't feel that the EQ1 is useful, don't buy it. I thought my charts were clear enuf for anyone to see, apparently not. Not sure why I even bother.

HT Freak,

Get the JL Audio if u can afford it. From what I've heard its a fantastic sub! Your search has ended. It is definately a higher end subwoofer. Since you were underwhelmed by the SVS, be happy with the JL Audio.

Guys, I am really not sure when this "Oh my god, this SVS is all screwed up since we have this local dealership crap, its so damned expensive, we are all being ripped off" will end. You guys are all adults, why do u continue to b**** about this. And kudos to all those who will definately beat this dead horse to the ground!

Nuff said.

Thank you very much for your kind advise. And for your info, I don't own a SVS or a JL Audio. I own a lowly Dali Sub.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Oct 26 2009, 11:31 PM

Did you load the correction curves for the SPL Meter you are using?

The CM140 is abt 10dB at 10Hz and 7dB at 20Hz, it flattens out to almost zero after that. Your best bet is a calibrated mic with its own cal curves.