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myhat
post Nov 3 2008, 09:59 AM

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anyone ever used Panasonic's water pump A-129JXC
saw one of this at Kajang last Saturday...
quoted at RM440 for item only....
said to be sufficient for water pressure problem at DS type house with 2 B upstair and 1B downstairs

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anyone can help to give some review, plez?

thanks

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jchong
post Nov 6 2008, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(aaronpang @ Oct 21 2008, 10:31 AM)
The last time someone quoted me for a big name solar water heater was RM14k... Piping installation RM6 to RM8k sweat.gif I think I need a cold shower laugh.gif

I googled for a cheaper alternative and came to this site...

http://solarlightsmalaysia.com/solar_water_heater.php

Do remember that if your house doesn't have the necessary hot water piping you'll need to rip it all out  sad.gif
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Yup, the expensive part about getting the solar heater is actually the piping works. If you want it to be concealed then have to break the tiles, hack the wall, lay the pipe, replaster and retile back. As mentioned above, this part alone can be 6-8k for a DSL house. If want cheaper then run with exposed hot water piping but it would look ugly.

The solar heater itself is only 3-4k for some brands.
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post Nov 6 2008, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(am_eniey @ Oct 24 2008, 01:26 PM)
My laundry uses a water pump but if you shower with the water pump switched on, you might die out of the water pressure !
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You use a commercial strength water pump is it?

For home use you won't die from the water pressure. The pressure is firm, but of course if you turn on full power at the tap it can be uncomfortable.
myhat
post Nov 6 2008, 05:35 PM

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can please define home and commercial use?

u seems have knowledge in this...
mind helping me to choose one within RM1k budget?

thanx
jchong
post Nov 6 2008, 07:07 PM

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I'm not really that knowledgeable about pumps.

Anyway, for pumps Grundfos is a well established brand. Why don't you call one of their distributors like this place: http://www.megaseven.com.my/automatic.php and ask for a quote or recommendation. Note: I'm not affiliated with them.
myhat
post Nov 7 2008, 09:04 AM

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thanks bro....

but i'm expecting opinions and feedback from user point of view...
if call directly distributor etc...
for sure...
they will promote their product and telling all the good thing about it...
well....profit making maaa

but if user give feedback...
then its more transparent....
and honest description...
so easier to choose and evaluate which to buy and install....

i did contact one distributor of Grundfos located in my area earlier....
and they sell other brand as well...
but my 1st Q didn't mention at all about Grundfos...
just mention my water pressure problem and my budget....
and the answer i've got....for sure...."go for Grundfos lorrr"
when i said my budget is limited...
they say cannot do anything lorr..
if want good one....
go for Grundfos...
sure can describe every wonderful thing about it on the phone
but if want other brand...within my budget...
just come over lorr...
see for yourself...."but surely other brand not good lorrr..."

sigh.....

p/s: well established doesn't mean thats the only choice...

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jchong
post Nov 7 2008, 09:40 AM

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Of course if you call a distributor for one brand they will always push that brand first. As you said it's part of their profit making to do so.

Certainly Grundfos isn't the only choice. I know a few other brands have entered the Malaysian market in the last few years. But I'm familiar with Grundfos because my parents house use it and I know it's been in Malaysia for many years, so servicing isn't a problem. With other brands if the distribution network isn't strong then service might be an issue.

I know you're seeking user reviews but so far not many people have replied about other brands. Anyway, for my own use in future I'm also getting a Grundfos.

In the end a pump is a fairly simple device. For me the main thing is: does it work reliably and is it quiet? If I need service are there many technicians who can service it?

The TS mentioned Davey. Here is their website: http://www.davey.com.au/products/household.aspx But I don't know much about this brand.
Another brand sold in Malaysia: http://www.ktstrade.com.my/nocchi/index.php

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jootat
post Nov 7 2008, 12:18 PM

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i had a water pump install at the tangki area, and the water came out from the tangki have enough water pressure, but the ground floor which the water came directly from outside seems like the water pressure is not enough. can we install the water pump outside?
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post Nov 7 2008, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(jootat @ Nov 7 2008, 12:18 PM)
i had a water pump install at the tangki area, and the water came out from the tangki have enough water pressure, but the ground floor which the water came directly from outside seems like the water pressure is not enough.  can we install the water pump outside?
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Normally in a house the ground floor kitchen tap is connected to the mains. All other taps are connected to the tangki (which in turn is connected to the mains).

If you feel that ground floor tap with the mains supply is not powerful enough, you can connect another water pump to it (then you have 2 pumps in the house) or the other solution is connect that tap to the tangki (so you still only have 1 pump).
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post Nov 7 2008, 01:32 PM

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i not expert in this field, alternative from water/booster pump

my old house use to located high pressure area for main pipe.

my uncle replace bathroom with large diameter & thicker tube. i get better flow rate. no need pump assistant. btw is direct from the main pipe to shower heater only. there is valve switch to the water-tank(when low pressure) make sure get valve flow single way. so the water-tank won't over flow.

**not recommend route entire main pipe to bathroom utility, afaik most house construct using thinner pipe, once the pipe bust, bye bye to bathroom/bedroom. cry.gif

for low pressure area,
best replace water-tank to large (e.g. 100L -> 250L), height play important row too or get extra water-tank. from the lowest part of water-tank to bathroom, use large diameter & thicker tube to shower heater only
shortest route & less turn is always the best

i'm using p@n@sonic water heater with pump booster RM4xx, is BS the bottleneck internal pipe *** love my old house, i can still feel the pain, coming out from main-pipe rclxm9.gif

btw install water/booster pump, where u need the most **too far & alot of turn (back to square one)
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QUOTE(KronenZerg @ Oct 16 2008, 04:16 PM)
Single story house ..  do you think the water pressure would be strong?
My plumber recommended me to install a pressure pump, ard RM1200 .. name is Grundfos. This from Denmark
But the place where i bought my basins/ etc, recommend another brand cost ard Rm900 .. name is Davey, from Aust.

Any idea which is better cos this is the first time i heard both names.
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for me, water pressure very important....
if no pressure, shower not nice....
if shower not nice, mood not nice....
if mood not nice......face black black.....
if face black black....dad calls me Ms. Bao... sweat.gif



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QUOTE(Amanda99 @ Nov 7 2008, 09:43 PM)
for me, water pressure very important....
if no pressure, shower not nice....
if shower not nice, mood not nice....
if mood not nice......face black black.....
if face black black....dad calls me Ms. Bao... sweat.gif
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True I absolute agree.
Hi, jootat, how much you install the pump?
My case is tangki located outside, so if put pump the wiring must do well bcoz exposed to rain and sunshine.
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post Nov 11 2008, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Nov 7 2008, 12:53 PM)
Normally in a house the ground floor kitchen tap is connected to the mains. All other taps are connected to the tangki (which in turn is connected to the mains).

If you feel that ground floor tap with the mains supply is not powerful enough, you can connect another water pump to it (then you have 2 pumps in the house) or the other solution is connect that tap to the tangki (so you still only have 1 pump).
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ok ... got it. That means we can still add another water pump in fron the house from the main ... Let me consider about that ... Thanks smile.gif
Because putting additional pipe from the tangki to kitchen need hacking of walls again or we need to add additional pipe outside the wall which is visible (then not so nice di)
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post Nov 17 2008, 03:37 PM

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i think the panasonic 1 good enough..
myhat
post Nov 17 2008, 04:00 PM

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received feedback from other forums...

that panasonic is enough to give sufficient pressure (they dun say good)...
good shower....

BUT....

please dun turn ON other tap or water outlet when u shower...
or else....
one of the outlet will die out of water...
either the shower will pour no more water...
or perhaps u spray nothing from ur sprinkler when u wash ur car...
etc...

coz most of the user claimed that....
its good if we use one outlet at at time...
if concurrent...
then sorry....

no wonder price is cheaper....
compared to Grundfos and the gang...
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post Nov 20 2008, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(KronenZerg @ Oct 16 2008, 04:16 PM)
Single story house ..  do you think the water pressure would be strong?
My plumber recommended me to install a pressure pump, ard RM1200 .. name is Grundfos. This from Denmark
But the place where i bought my basins/ etc, recommend another brand cost ard Rm900 .. name is Davey, from Aust.

Any idea which is better cos this is the first time i heard both names.
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I'm using that brand for my laundry !
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post Nov 23 2008, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(myhat @ Nov 17 2008, 04:00 PM)
received feedback from other forums...

that panasonic is enough to give sufficient pressure (they dun say good)...
good shower....

BUT....

please dun turn ON other tap or water outlet when u shower...
or else....
one of the outlet will die out of water...
either the shower will pour no more water...
or perhaps u spray nothing from ur sprinkler when u wash ur car...
etc...

coz most of the user claimed that....
its good if we use one outlet at at time...
if concurrent...
then sorry....

no wonder price is cheaper....
compared to Grundfos and the gang...
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This means that Panasonic model is a low power version that isn't sufficient for multiple taps being on at the same time. Every brand has several models from low power to high power.
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post Dec 1 2008, 08:38 AM

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yup....

well...
as an update...

lucky me...
i've called Syabas to check my water pressure (surely at meter outdoor only)
and it seems like the pressure is at good level...
so they assumed that it has something to do with my piping system internally....
i've called my developer....
and they sent people to rectify....
they did something yesterday...
and i can see some significant improvement on the pressure for all my bathrooms....
except...i have'nt installed shower...
so cannot comment on the pressure for that particular part...
so far..only checked for taps...
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the last time my house didnt have enough pressure, instead of adding a water pump like my neighbours i just made a new piping from the main pipe to my garden and that solved all my problems
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QUOTE(mleong @ Oct 29 2008, 12:14 PM)
Oh, if can, get 1 of the rocket filter (install right after the Water Meter). Should prolong the life of the pump.


Added on October 31, 2008, 4:46 pm
Reroute the water supply to the Washer direct from mains.
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nope, the waer is pumped out of the water tank. it is impossible to increase the pressure from the main.

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