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post Oct 16 2008, 11:49 PM

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all this are rather self preferences.... u like it u have it, dont like dont use it..... simple

my choice WMP11... rclxm9.gif

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post Oct 17 2008, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(BCurve @ Oct 17 2008, 12:24 AM)
Of course, allow me to refer you to post #26 on page 2 of this thread.  smile.gif
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well well..... u got me.

but i mean the problems of those faced NOT mine.... cry.gif


btw... what is the Impulse response convolver for? in layman term please



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post Oct 18 2008, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(CLF @ Oct 17 2008, 11:24 PM)
How frequency you guys usually put for Resampler?

I usually stick with 48kHz, but most songs are in 44.1kHz. Will it sounds better in higher freq?

I prefer 48kHz as the treble is clearer than 44.1kHz.

Also, how much % you guys use for noise sharpening? 150% sounds good to me.

What's you guys' suggestion? Btw I'm usually hear either from laptop speaker or EP-630..
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i use Secred Rabbit Code as the resampler... i set to 96KHz merely because my sound card could support it. u can try setting it to different stages and see what is outcome.... happy trying.
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post Oct 18 2008, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(DEVICLOT @ Oct 18 2008, 01:16 AM)
I also use SRC resampler, set to 48khz. Noise sharpening i leave at 50%-100%, above 100% is 2 sharp for me.  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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is there any noise sharpening in SRC??? sweat.gif
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post Oct 18 2008, 02:48 AM

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QUOTE(jerren @ Oct 18 2008, 02:27 AM)
noise sharpening is in DSP
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music no need dsp... right? icon_question.gif coz i only use SRC & ASIO sweat.gif
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post Oct 18 2008, 03:50 AM

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QUOTE(jerren @ Oct 18 2008, 03:29 AM)
noise sharpening is kinda useful when using with some speaker..
i do use it when im still hv Z5500, coz z5500's high is not so good in music, hv to use noise sharpening to boost up a bit..
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True, Z5500 is not meant for music.

but i use coxial (digital output) to z5500 from my x-fi platinum fatality champion series. listening in stereo mode. it was amazing out of my expectation... clarity, detailing, projection was good! rclxm9.gif of course with WMP11... with foobar2k so so


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post Oct 18 2008, 04:39 AM

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QUOTE(jerren @ Oct 18 2008, 04:02 AM)
at that time i were only using AudioTrak Prodigy 7.1 with Z5500...
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what r u using currently? brows.gif
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post Oct 18 2008, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(fariz @ Oct 18 2008, 08:03 AM)
it generate what any complex sound will sound like after the environment or effect is applied.
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oh... another "colouring agents" smile.gif
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post Oct 18 2008, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(xianyao @ Oct 18 2008, 03:09 PM)
noise sharpening is for improving the clarity.

BTW wat converter u guys using? best/med/fast/zoh or linear mode? the best mode seem eat up too many resources shocking.gif
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best mode .... but i dont use foobar2k often..... usually WMP11
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post Oct 18 2008, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Oct 18 2008, 10:42 PM)
If you want to Resample, better use SSRC resampler...the best of resample. Strongly suggest by all foobar2000 expert user!!!

SSRC resampler
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i thought Secret Rabbit Code is the best??? sad.gif
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post Oct 18 2008, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Oct 18 2008, 11:36 PM)
No..you try SSRC first and you will know the difference...

I have 1 question to all SSRC user...i used the 192k sample rate with ultra quality setting..but i realized 48k sample rate give more clarity and treble.
What is happening?? Doesn't the higher sample rate mean higher quality and clarity?? icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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in laymen terms.... if your sound card could not produce 192Khz, what do u expect?? brows.gif btw, what sound card r u using?

then u should try SRC.... icon_idea.gif

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post Oct 19 2008, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Oct 18 2008, 11:59 PM)
Is that so? btw if my sound card not support 192Khz playback, the song will stutter just like when i using SRC with 192Khz sample rate..but with SSRC the song play just
fine on 192Khz but less clarity than the original 44.1Khz and 48Khz..I think oversampling does not produce any good. What do u think?

FYI i only use onboard cheap AL888...sound card is very expensive you know smile.gif
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over-sampling eating up your resources and produce less ... what for? right? icon_idea.gif

for foobar2k, i only stick to 96khz.... despite my sound card can support 24bit/192khz in stereo mode.... brows.gif
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post Oct 19 2008, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Oct 19 2008, 12:14 AM)
Can you tell the difference between 48khz and 96khz?? Is it have more clarity?
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again it always depends on your hardware .... in my case, yes it is more clarity, projection, detailing, etc
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post Oct 19 2008, 12:32 AM

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i bought it at RM900. i m not sure about realtek al888... sorry

but no point buying x-fi, maybe u could try out ASUS XONAR and there is a new sc coming up....
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post Oct 19 2008, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Oct 19 2008, 01:07 AM)
Is it good for music??Actually i dont like my foobar with many DSP plugin coz i think they all fake...the original and good quality sound only produced by the soundcard, not the audio enhancer or plug-in.
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X-fi mainly design for gamers? but i do enjoy listening to all my audiophile CDs with WMP..... its fantastic!!! rclxm9.gif those plugs-in are to "colour" your music which is not "real" whistling.gif


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post Oct 20 2008, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(jerren @ Oct 19 2008, 05:34 AM)
actually music should stick with 44.1khz since the source is 44.1..
44.1, 48, 192 do hv different projection of sound in terms of clarity but not very noticeable..

i do believe that get as original as possible is what audiophiles seek for..
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well, everyone hear music differently. resampling will "not downgrade" the originality of the music.

for my setup the 44.1/48Khz and 96Khz is totally noticeable thumbup.gif u r welcome to my house to try it. wink.gif

"maybe" this could be the different, i don't listen to lossless or lossy format. I only listen to so-called 24bit/192khz remastering CDs or imported CDs.

just my 2cent

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post Oct 20 2008, 01:37 AM

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QUOTE(andrekua @ Oct 20 2008, 12:39 AM)
Not placebo.
It does sound different.

I too have tested 96KHz 24bit. Somehow it sound different from 24bit 48KHz. The difference is very subtle, it make it sound a little bit airy. Vocal and instruments are all the same. White noise due to resampling again? Who knows...
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u r right... again its all depends on your hardware, software as well as your source wink.gif
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post Oct 21 2008, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(Dry Pillow @ Oct 20 2008, 02:47 PM)
Honestly I did that, not making fun of anyone instead. So that's what placebo is, a change that scientifically unfounded but we want to believe there is.
Resampling from 44.1khz to 96khz gives me the almost same experience when I did ABX on comparison between 192kbps and 320kbps.
When the first time I tried this resampling, I didn't expect at all there'll be an improvement. However to my surprise, there's an improvement. Just like when I felt there's improvement when moving from 128kbps to 320kbps
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whether is placebo or placedo or placeto effect laugh.gif .... doesnt matter but one thing is important here.

1) i do feel the significant improvement when higher resampling. (maybe there is number of factors resulting to this, who cares!)
2) sources are important... there are different between lossless, lossy etc kinda formats.

forget about all those technical knowledge or bundle theory .... as long as i can feel the improvement or betterment, that is! whether my mind lied to myself or the machines lies to me, its not important. nod.gif those stuff is happening every way in the world thumbup.gif

if u want to find out.... come to my house and do whatever "test" and i will prove incorrectness of all those statements. sweat.gif


cheers!!! rclxms.gif

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post Oct 21 2008, 12:39 PM

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technical issues & theory is good to know. no one prove it could be better or on the other hand nobody proves it is bad....

your ownself experiment is trusted. even a sophisicated machine can tested and prove my system is bad but as long as i like it will do.

i just bought an expensive hifi system.... and i prefer both


ok guys lets go back to FOOBAR2000 issues...... nod.gif

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post Oct 21 2008, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(Dry Pillow @ Oct 21 2008, 01:01 PM)
Good, now let us all move up one higher and more serious level of foobar2k discussion. This time we talk about skin customization... kidding only la laugh.gif
Beside the resampling, are there any DSP or Output plugins that can slightly improve clarity? I starve for crystal clear sound clarity of all instruments played in every songs.
I said 'slightly' improve because I do realize that software can only does so little. Still need physical headphone/amp/DAC for huge boost in SQ nevertheless.
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skin customization ... no no no in newer version right? i m using 9.5.6.0...... i think anything beyond 9.5.3.0 u cant mod. smile.gif

some plug ins does improved the quality of sounds. sadly i have not try others except

1) ASIO
2) Secret Rabbit Code
3) Wasapi (its sounds like wasabi!)

i might others out and let have some reviews on this.

see, letting other device to enhanced our pc rig deserved the purpose of having it. might as well getting a separate hi-fi system.

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