This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 14 2017, 06:32 PM

Grats on 70. What server do you play on? :/ Sounds pretty elitist to me

hey moogle!

they actually nerfed the heroic requirement to allow casual players or late players to be able to do heroics sooner. back then you needed to be revered to be able to purchase the heroic key. now only honored. much much easier for alts and starters..

2ndly, as a paladin, you may want to spec into prot to be accepted into 5mans and gear up. paladins are great tanks, and if you have the necessary gear (achieved enough +def, block etc) you can do heroic shattered halls with an aoe group with ease. Paladin's aoe tanking capabilities are way too great and if you play with aoe-ers like a lock+mage you pretty much clear those crazy pack of mobs in a jiffy.

3rdly, everyone starts up slow. those ppl that rejected you once had crap gears on them too. i bet they wipe in black morass countless times trying to get attuned to do karazhan. they are just being ignorant, im sure there's others who can help. if not come back to gorgonnash haha..

i remember just before i stopped WoWing, someone did recall "i wish we still have that female paladin that always did GKPs.. her name was moogle something and damn those were ezmode runs and didnt cost much!".. this was just when guilds like Eternity and some other that dominated the pve progression and were hosting GKPs that started with a minimum bid of 1000g per epic. the zul aman bear mount went as high as 6000g. so they were QQing about how expensive it was and wished u were back to host the GKPs haha =p..

perhaps you can try to apply to these few asian guilds in gorgonnash. Sanctuary Guardians and Angel of Twilights. Casual guilds, does some pvping and pveing and loadsa crap chats in guild.

if ure still planning on gearing up, just pvp to get the easy to achieve pvp gears. they are on cheap honor atm and u get quality gears without raiding.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 14 2017, 06:32 PM

with 600+ healing, u won't be able to heal heroics because they hit hard.. not to mention your gear don't even have enough mp5 to sustain long boss fight..

usually before getting into heroics, people will got to normal 70's dungeon for the optimal blue gear / grind honor in bg's for welfare epic which serve as good as pve (minus the benefit of spirit/mp5 for equivalent class)

for now, just wait another 4 weeks for woltk, during this time, social life is the heroics haha

This post has been edited by shoduken: Oct 13 2008, 03:20 PM

That's why it's always balanced. There's no hybrid spec that works for both pvp and pve. If there is, then there won't be different talents trees.

It's always fair that if you want a good pve spec, then you would need to spend 25 gold to respec talents to pvp later.

About pvp gears, I heard from my friend that the best pvp gears are from arena, not instances. Those gears from arena that you can buy from after ahieved a certain amount of pvp points.

I have hit 70 for sometime, and is still having crap gear, at least that what i think. I am not doing enough damage in BGs. Most of the time i am being killed by lock and mage before i kill them.

For your info, those peeps which says you have crap gear gone thru the same thing. They have crap gear too after just hitting 70!

Good luck and keep it going. There is a lot of elitist jerk in WoW unfortunately.

Hi Moogle, I'll try to answer the best I can. Mind you, I'm a casual player but am in a serious yet casual guild about progression. Have played WoW about 4 months before TBC hit.



Yep, that's true but as what arcbound has mentioned, it's really easy to get that key now just by doing quests alone. When TBC launched, the rep gain was extremely slow and I remember grinding so hard in normal just to get gear and rep just to get into heroics. Once in Heroics, it was nearly impossible to do half of them without Kara or Badge gear. Then again, this info is pretty useless to you so I won't go further.

This is such a deceptive looking guide tbh. You do not need to waste time to get the resist gear to do those easy heroics last boss. All that is needed is a healer that doesn't suck and a good geared tank. Yes, heroics hit hard. My screening of pugs is "are you hit/defense cap?" and if I don't get a good answer, I don't consider them. You can also armory them and if they are in PVP gear (exception are healers but again provided that their MP5 isn't too low).

When he mentioned that Paladins are the best healers for Heroics, again it depends on the skill of the healer. All healers can heal a heroic but in cases where AOE damage is taken by the group, a paladin will be hardput to heal hard. A lot of pre-emptive healing. Maybe the worst off are Resto Tree Druids because of their HoTs, the tanks may be hard put to generate enough threat and aggro to hold a mob initially.

There was a paladin blogger (more well-known) who wrote about doing Hyjal with a T6 guild that he just join and he didn't know how to improve his current gameplay. He posted the WWS and those of us who have raided in Hyjal could see why. But by then, I think he decided that he's tired of raiding and decided just to focus on theorycrafting instead.

Anyway, here are 2 better links for Ret Pally info :

Elitist Jerks : Elitist Jerks is a place where theorycrafting abounds a lot and the moderaters are extremely strict. The banhammer happens a lot in there for even things like grammatical errors.

Cromfel.Battlefield : One of the more well-known Ret Pally sites online.


Before I or anyone else can comment about this, can you give us the armory link to your character?

This stem from the perception of Ret Pallies at the beginning of TBC when itemization and class performance wasn't all that great compared to the more DPS-specialized classes. Now before you show us numbers from outside mob kills, bear in mind that majority of them outside of an instance are below level 70 so you would have some nice numbers, I'm sure. However, in heroics and raids, you'll find that your damage done is going to be lower as you are now against lvl 70-71 mobs and a dungeon boss that is lvl 72-73.

Penalized is a strong word to use but I guess that's how it would feel like. The other side of the coin is that the entire group cannot even give enough "output damage" to carry you through an instance. And sadly, that's the way Blizz designed the game. One way or another, you would have to maximise your gameplay and gear just to be able to do heroics.

I'm leveling a Ret Pally atm but she's still very low level atm. Not sure how she'll be like in the TBC instances but I'm a person who leads instance runs. I don't wait for a good pug to form. I form it, giving me the decision on whom I choose to bring with me. There are many times when I used to do the marking even as a healer or DPS when I was playing my resto/feral druid and shadow/holy priest. I also sometimes don't run with 2 CC but sometimes only 1 and if it was a weak CC. But I luv that challenging aspect of the game.

Total heal effects is on the low side yes and you will find that you have difficulty healing the tanks throughout the encounter. Yes, a paladin has the lowest heals per mana but even then, heroics are still tough and long without raid/badge gear. And yes, there are those of us who had to respec just to make it through the instances but that is because we're farming gear for the spec we want to play. However, respec costs are pretty cheap these days with the dailies available now.

Sadly, the way that Blizz designed the game doesn't cater for both PVE and PVP specs ultimately. Reason being is that both have different "opponents". PVE is kinda predictable whereas PVP is kinda unpredictable.

However, in WOTLK, that may change as Blizz is looking to see how to give us "spec slots" so that we can have 2 different specs. Not sure how they're going to carry it out but apparently, it's in the works as we speak.

This post has been edited by myremi: Oct 13 2008, 07:50 PM

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 14 2017, 06:33 PM

just go to alterac valley and get some honor, do the BG daily quests for gold and honor. grind some rep that suits your professions. most important rep i think any starter should complete is either the aldor/scryer rep. they give decent blue as well as the very much needed shoulder enchants. prot pallies are pretty damn valueble as their AOE tanking capabilities are sooooo strong, people rather choose a prot pally to do heroics as they want a clean fast run and get the badges. shattered halls pally tank = ownage. the stronger your gear, the more mobs you can pull and quicker your heroics will be.

alternatively, join the bg weekends to get even more honor. at least you are starting somewhere and for melee classes the utmost important gear is your weapon. a nice 2hander is a big dmg boost and work yourself up from there. since you can craft from blacksmithing, im sure you can gather the mats to make some nice 2h-maces for yourself or even epic armours.

what you need to do now is to prepare yourself for wrath. gear up with some decent looking gear so that you will have an easier time leveling at lich king. when lich king goes live, whatever tier6 u have obtained or season4 u have now will be a total reset at lvl 80 and another bunch of new gears and rep to be grinded all over again...

its a pity u started late, if you started 2 month earlier, doing 2s or 3s arena just to hit 10games a week you can be somewhat 4/5 in resilience gear. getting the 5th piece and weapons are just a matter of being good to get the rating or buy the rating for a week. do u remember geromith? he's decked in full resilience gear, and all he does is casual pvp the moment he hit 70. still rocking in gorgonnash =p

if i were u i would just spec prot, get a healer(a druid for motw) and a shadowpriest, and any 2 dps then chain farm normal and heroic dungeons. h mech, h sp, h bf, h ramps, h bot. all can be done in less than 45m.

i did just that to farm heroics after taking a break from the game and i got ard 500 bojs in 4 weeks. gl

Ok, I think I see why the pugs say that they won't take you because of gear. You haven't gem up or enchanted your gear. I'd suggest the cheap green gems and enchants, it's no biggie. My lock never enchanted her gear as WoTLK is around the corner but I did socket with green gems (El'cheapo).

What the others have said is solid too. Especially what fu mentioned.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 14 2017, 06:33 PM

Hmm...my understanding of a Ret Pally gearing up is zilch. You'll have to ask someone else.

You might want to check out around the net for details of paladin gearing and what are the basic gear. The Kara Gear Startup Guides on WoWinsider is a good starting point.

www.wowinsider.com

Ive been playing/raiding since pre BC. Truthfully speaking if u wanna go ret theres only 1 way. Join a guild who is willing to run u thru instances and raids to gear u up. Sadly guilds like those hardly exist anymore.

If u wanna gear urself up on a solo basis it can be done for paladins. Ur actually kinda lucky to be playing a toon that is very popular either as a tanker or healer. Compared to other toons like shamans and warriors they have a tougher time getting invites with the exception of being relegated to a single spec (tanking for wars and resto for shammies).

Imo i think u should try gearing for prot spec. Prot pallies are in such high demand for almost any single run that they are in certain aspects OP tanks. The best part is that once geared they can run certain heroics with minimal or no CC at all. Ive personally done this many times with my prot pally friend for heroic SP, heroic SV, Heroic BM, etc with 1 good healer (bout 2k healing) and 3 max dps.

To gear a prot pally up u need to finish a lot of your quests. Go to www.wowhead.com and filter for tanking gear that drops from quests. Check pally forums on how to achieve your total 102.4 avoidance and 490 def. This will need to increase to adjust for level 80.

Yes it might not be so fun playing as a healer class or tanking class but once u get all your gear sorted and if ur lucky u form a regular grp to farm epics of kara or zul aman. After a few months ur regular grp would have more than enuff gear than needed. This is where u get to pickup ur OFF-SPEC gear.

Thats how i started my shammy. Trust me. I HATED HEALING. But i did it anyway. For the simple reason that it became a walk in the park once i noticed the spec that the majority wanted me to be and it gave me access to any gear i want. So i ended up with a T6 resto shammy with almost a full set of BOJ enhance gear and elemental gear. Its easy to farm gear once you have a fixed grp for kara and zul aman, easily 40+ badges a week (plus 1 or 2 heroics of course). At the height of our loot grinding we were pounding 60 to 70 badges a week.

Use the other specs as a stepping stone to what you really want to play. Its a lot faster unless you have a very supportive guild. Getting epic loot is a lot of hard work. Raids, money and materials for profession gear, weekly arena point farming and BG honor farming plus time spent to max out your spec. Wow is a second job, sumtimes it seems even harder than my RL one.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 14 2017, 06:33 PM

after the boost in ret pallies received due to new talents u might wanna consider gearing just for ret now. Besides you will need the ret gear to lvl up when expac comes. IMO go do some massive BG honor farming and weekly arena point collection to get urself some decent soloing gear.

twosonsaudio - hi. Thank you for your kind advise.

I was going to craft dawnshoulders, until i managed to buy the swift Steel Shoulder plans for 350gold.

I already have 1 heart of darkness bought for 150gold, and i can get the other for the same price by today hopefully. I heard this one of the best retribution dps shoulders in the game ?

heh im using the same 1 for my fury war lol. I got the plans for a measly 30G though, lol on my server (thaurissan) those plans are being dumped like thrash. HOD's for 100g. The important things is remember to have fun! I noticed that in my ever grinding never ending quest for epic loots the fun factor kinda lost its flair. For the 1st time had the most enjoyable time fishing for 100 fishes (fishing achievement) yesterday lol.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 14 2017, 06:45 PM