I recently wanted to purchase 1k USD paypal funds. FTzone come out to pm me with the rates and the banking details. As i Mentioned, ill only bank in 1st if he is a reputable seller.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=807851&hl=

So he MSG me this:

http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/Feedback/User...UserID=FTZone@1

Which proof that he is a reputable seller in LELONG. Theres a email there, as i scare that LYN ID different from the LELONG ID.
So i sent email to ftzone.racing@gmail.com which is listed on his shop website. And so he replied my email.

Of course I truest him as he has a store for 3 yrs and more than 300+ rating.

He ask me to bank in to this acc(company acc.)

552068031857
ts pronton enterprise
maybank

After that I called him to double confirm at 2am, he said after check will send me the paypal funds in the morning.

So i waited, after that, morning i SMS him again at 016-4786000(Raymond Wong) when he will send the fund to me.

And Waited for 1 hour, and he replied:

Wat paypal fund? To who I pay to and wat name?

So I called him again. He said his LYN ID has been hacked and his GMAIL also been hacked. and 2am that time, he was blur and forget wat he has said...>.< And hence he is not responsible for it.

SO just better beware guys. and He also mentioned that theres previous case similar to this for him and HE HAS CHANGED HIS PW.

How true isit? I dunno. Haiz..... Rm3k jz gone liddat.

BEWARE NOW EVEN A REPUTABLE SELLER!

Anyway police report MADE. and hope there is still something i can do about it

This post has been edited by juztborn: Nov 21 2008, 04:21 PM

Oh.. This Is Another Big Con Case..

But How You Get The Real Owner Phone No. If He Claim That His Lowyat ID & Gmail Hacked ?

Before Bankin To The Guy, You Got Contact The No. ? 016-4786000

If Got, His Handphone Also Kena Hacked?


From What I Read
It's Mean Handphone Also Kena Hacked? Else How To Explain About This?


This post has been edited by SeaMonster: Oct 5 2008, 03:22 PM

After i Bank in, i call the HP number under his store cause i Expect to receive the funds once i bank in. I said im kelvin, and i have bank in money to him and can he send the funds now. He said Maybank cant check the transaction during that period and ask me to till morning.

Den morning he said he was blur that time, dunno wat i said and i asked and wat he have told me>.<

Wait, so you called him the 1st time and he told you to wait.

Then you called him the 2nd time and he buat tak tahu?

Wtf.

This post has been edited by St0rmFury: Oct 5 2008, 03:27 PM

What No. ? 016-4786000?

A search on the Maybank account number revealed some interesting stuff:

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3

Sorry bro, guess you should have done your homework first.

Oh.. Confirmed RM3k Gone

No Much Thing Can Do.. Just Wait For Police Take Action ( Hopefully Police Hardworking About Ur Case )

i am sorry about it. 3k is alot of money

Ok, I did a little more snooping around and got this.

The phone number (016-478 6000) is legit. It does belong to Raymond.

But the Maybank account number belongs to someone else (proton).

This is Raymond's Maybank account number:
Account Holder Name : Raymond Wong
Maybank Berhad : 157166911282

But one thing I don't understand is how come Raymond act like dunno when TS calls him the 1st time? He should have immediately informed TS not to bank in the money.

just report to police lo ......let him sit inside jail /lokap

you sound like RM3k is not a big amount to you?

Man you should not let the crook get away.Nail his ass on the wall.Try get a police report and request the bank release the details of the account holder

The registered account should have the name of the owner unless the crook went in and cancel it now.Please do it ASAP

This post has been edited by 779364: Oct 5 2008, 04:46 PM

Yupz. thats the number.

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Added on October 5, 2008, 5:28 pmBut dunno whether They will release it anot. Anyway, will try to get it...

btw all the scam last time are pretending to be RW( using different email and so on). But this time all REAL. So Must be something going on......

*Buat tak tau*

This post has been edited by juztborn: Oct 5 2008, 05:28 PM

Since When I Said RM3k Is Small?

When I Saw There Is So Many Con Case With The Bank Account.
That's Confirmed His RM3k Gone..

In My Earlier Posted, I Already Said That It's A Big Con Case.. RM3k Is Huge.. Ok?

I think somebody with name ts pronton enterprise has pretended to be Raymond Wong aka Ftzone.
The conman abuses the Ftzone's sales status to cheat ppl money.

in here, the email used is not the one in the lelong, as for my case,

his Email:




This post has been edited by juztborn: Oct 5 2008, 06:02 PM

ftzone
In his siggy stated:

So that guy used LYN PM or just email to u?

that siggy is newly added!!!

he used LYN PM, and i request to use the EMAIL it stated in lelong, to ensure he is the one.



This post has been edited by juztborn: Oct 5 2008, 06:21 PM

Hmm, I hv no idea liao. This is the most important email:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...=post&id=616983
He is really using Raymond Wong's email to ask for payment.

thats why i trusted him, but end up, he tell me, his EMAIL and LYN ID has been HACKED/COMPROMISED. really tak tahu la....any MOD could help? tracing IP? or whatsoever...any idea?

This post has been edited by juztborn: Oct 5 2008, 06:45 PM

But his latest reply (the one telling you he don't deal with paypal) is using the same email. So what's going on here?

Hello everyone, I'm Raymond. I've checked my LYN account and it is confirmed that it is compromised. Unfortunately I have the same password for LYN and my gmail email account. I have changed passwords since.

I do not know this person "TS Pronton Enterprise" account no. : 5520-6803-1857 Maybank. and how this person can get my password for both lyn and my gmail account. It is definately not my banking account!

Kelvin did call me at 2+am in the morning and I was sleeping already at that time. You (kelvin) did mention something about you are ready to make payment and asked me to check for it. I replied you that I cannot check for funds @ 2am. I even told you to look at the time you are calling me.. i sounded unpleasant. I was unsure what payment you are making for at the time of our teleconversation, as I do trade online for automotive spare parts and performance parts it is not uncommon for customers calling me to confirm payment. You did not mention about what, the amount and to which account you are going to transfer money in our teleconversation. That is what I can remember!

I never had PAYPAL account nor do I trade using PAYPAL. Several people did SMS me asking about paypal funds and I always reply them that do not trade and it is a scam. However, they did not mention how they got the messages. (whoever i replied to and if you are reading this, please do tell us here)

Kelvin, to my understanding you have made a police report. Which is good. I also suggest that you bring this report to Maybank and request that the funds to be frozen for the time being until matters are resolved. You and the police will have my full co-oporation to get this matter solved and the real criminal punished.

The criminal will surely try getting the money out from TS Pronton Enterprise. Ask the police to do something with the account holder. The truth will be out there if the police is doing their work.

This is not a first time a criminal which stole reputable sellers identity for scamming. My nick (ftzone) has been everywhere in forums and not just lyn. I couldn't possibly monitor all. The best policy is to call me at 0164786000 during working hours and get things clearly sorted out before you make any payments. I am sorry Kelvin, if you are a little more patient. If you called or sms me again before making payment (at a more appropriate time) you will not fall into the scam. I myself is a victim of an identity theft.

Sincerely,
Raymond

p/s: for all other potential scams. always try to get confirmation with the actual person or do not trade at all if you feel really uncomfortable. you shouldn't rush into making payment for a deal which is too good to be true.

This post has been edited by ftzone: Oct 5 2008, 09:20 PM

Yes. That is my website. www.ftzoneracing.com
For automotive parts www.ftzoneracing.com/store

in our teleconversation, i did mention i banked in for paypal, and you replied will check it by morning and send. ( well, you might be blur or mayb i talk too fast, hmmm)

As in previous post, there are similiar case by TS Pronton Enterprise on 05 ~ 07 september 2008, involved RM1k+, posted in other forum, as "The ConMan", pretending as FTZ (Raymond) to deal with, and now it came to that, your account has been hacked? by the same people? September, impersonate as Raymond, this month, Raymond get hacked, really Wow...the conman is real pro. Anyway, thx for the reply, im just stating the coincident in this case.

Any other opinions?

This post has been edited by juztborn: Oct 6 2008, 05:06 PM

why dont the seller n buyer together go lodge a police report ....enterprise account ...should be easily to trace up

i already lodge the police report, i do hope Raymond would do the same thing, as he promised in the email he replied.

This post has been edited by juztborn: Oct 5 2008, 10:01 PM

Kelvin,

I have too lodge a police report about this matter. If you require the report number please do call me up.
As mentioned earlier, you and the police will have my full co-operation.
I feel that it is not so appropriate to write here on what our next course of action. The scammer as you may know maybe reading these right now.

Rgds,
Raymond Wong.

any one could help in tracing the conman? >..<

ftzone , When You Realized Your LYN, Gmail Account Been Hacked?

That's A Case Happened 1Month Ago.. You Don't Know?
And Today Only You Change Password Or What?

I am only aware of this after Kelvin brought this matter up. I do not know what case you are referring to 1 month ago and not that I am aware of.
Unless you can clearify for me what is happening & I hope that you can call me up instead of being written here.
As I mention again.. I wouldn't want to discuss this in the forum as the scammer may be reading this. If any one wants to know more information, find a policeman or the right authority to speak to me in person. I will gladly meet the authorities which can solve this matter. I am eager as well as all of you to get these solved and get the scammer punished.

TS said After that I called him to double confirm at 2am, he said after check will send me the paypal funds in the morning.

But FTW said he dont do paypal wo?

To the conman/scammer, if you able to read this thread, i would hope that, you will refund to me, before further action being taken. Thx...

so did it get resolved?

In the process..... Tomolo is a better day.

Case solved de?

Havent....>..< already complain through MCA, and the Consumer thingy...waiting to go for hearing @ the tribunal for consumer claim on November...

This post has been edited by juztborn: Oct 10 2008, 09:26 PM

be friendly with the cops..belanja kopi n canai...so tad they work faster. 3k is hell a lot of sum

i have brought this case to Public Service and Complaint Department of MCA, and to the Tribunal Tuntutan Pengguna Malaysia to handle on the case. the hearing is on november 19th...xD hope i would get my re-fund....>..< more info will be update soon....

actually if u check the newspapers in the classified section,u can find ex cops for hiring as Professional Private Investigators.How efficient is the result leaves much room for debate.

If anyone wants to come and see the real ftzone (Raymond). I welcome you. Don't need to pay anyone to trace. Also, it is illegal to obtain a person personal information without police or court approval. Because that information can be used for something else which may not be of a good cause.

My address is stated in my website.
Address: No.6, Ground Floor, Jalan Todak 4, 13700 Seberang Jaya. Penang.
That address is where my kiosk/shop is located.

This post has been edited by ftzone: Oct 11 2008, 10:38 AM

rob,

thanks for coming out and pointing this matter. the account does belong to me but it was hacked and abused by the scammer.
it was actually hacked since 3rd oct until 5th oct and the unfortunate Kelvin got conned on the 5th. (I only get to know that my account was hacked on the 5th) prior to that time frame i seldom log into LYN.

anyone that received messages from 3rd until 5th either from ftzone.racing@gmail.com or from lowyat.net with the nick ftzone, please view or trade with cautions. If you suspect anything, please drop me a ring directly at 0164786000

currently the police are doing something about this matter. i hoped that my nick "ftzone" would not be labelled as conman such as in this post title.. i feel sad, abused and victimized. i will do my best to see that the real scammer is punished and my name cleared.

This post has been edited by ftzone: Oct 16 2008, 05:37 PM

Guys,
I think that his account really got hacked. See the difference between his English and the scammer's English.

Admin/Mod,
Kindly please do check on the IP addresses for the both dates on the of his account as hacked and the date of his prior being hacked and after password changed.
If Raymond is really saying the true, then the IP will surely be different.



Extra information: (will update more)


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This post has been edited by satnam182: Oct 16 2008, 06:31 PM

Adding up something -

I've dealt with ftzone regarding automotive parts for few k amount last time thru zerotohundred.com , and he is one trusted and reputable seller. I hope this matter can be solved quickly and not ruining ftzone's good reputation.

guys, um so stupid that i didnt realise this ealier...
i just sent him rm1230 for paypal fund just now....
i think im scammed.. so how guys ?? pls help me... i wanna punch myself to dead now.. how ??
pls advise guys

he sms said that can supply me usd800 paypal fund after he saw my post here in lyn. then, i ask him wats yr nick in lyn. he said. he just browse thru, hence sms me...offer me rate at 3.15rm - usd1 ... im so stupid to believe... actually i plan to buy all usd 800 from him which cost me rm200+ but in the end i decided to buy usd400 first...
i decided to pay usd 400 which is rm1230 for first payment.
then, he said connection problem n stuff like that, wanna go cyver cafe to transfer to me..
i wait n wait, tried calling him , but he turn off his phone at last ...
guys pls help me, im just a student, rm1200+ sound alot lot lot to me.. im totally moodless now...
advise me, wat shud i do ??
pls guys

so is ftzone bank acc = pronton enterprise ?
who is pronton enterprise ? or did pronton enterprise didnt exist at all ?i m abit confused after all..


his acc - maybank
pronton enterprise
552068031857
msn - kmmauto@live.com

how guys ???

This post has been edited by 2611: Oct 27 2008, 12:47 AM

despite all the warnings...

you still don't get it? eventhough your case in unrelated to me, but let me answer your questions.

1. "FTZONE" is not PRONTON ENTERPRISE or TS PRONTON ENTERPRISE.
2. Maybank Account of TS PRONTON ENTERPRISE is used for scamming purposes.
3. TS PRONTON ENTERPRISE exists.. otherwise how can you bank in money?
4. You should lodge a police report.

How did you got scammed? I am sorry to say... but these are the facts.
1. You expose yourself to scamming potential. (WTB Postings)
2. You didn't search in the forum or google before making payment.
3. Careless, greedy & being impatient is your main reasons to lose your hard earned money.

how could you still do a transaction with the similar organisation / person without reading this thread? RM1,000+ is a lot of money

Some more, he sells far below market exchange rate! .. i think you be alert before sending .. or just buy small small amount first.

this is too bad...another guy get conned by fake ftzone....
please report to the police...i believe raymond will help u through out the process.....ask TS about wat he do as well...

update
i had lodged a police report as well as informing my bank
maybe today or tomorrow the police will let me know the outcome...

how many chances of getting my money ? i pmed raymond 2 days, no reply from him yet..
wat should i do next ?

Its less chance for you, sorry not to keep you down but police sometimes shall help, but for a buying and purchasing matter, the responsibility are on the trader's hand and not police. They will just sit back and relax.

For the bank side, none of banks will reveal their customer's information, this is according to their procedures and rules,.. no matter how bad the customer is, revealing an information to 3rd party is prohibited and strict action will be taken.

please be more extra careful next time.

btw, do have his mobile number?

Which Raymond you pmed? What nick in lowyat? What was the phone number used to sms or called you? Please be specific and get your facts right. I do not want further confusion over here as your case is not related to this forum post and myself.

Agreed, hope 2611 could provide more info / open a detailed dispute thread rather than combining into ftzone's

reading from all the post, i feel one thing really weird, 3 Oct 2008, rob_z3_man msged Raymond, informing him about buying paypal, Raymond say No, but never asked why did ask him for that....

Do you think someone will msg you to buy something suddenly?? @.@

So, after 3rd Oct, Raymond never check why someone msg him suddenly for paypal which he dont sell, and never check his LYN that actually being hacked...

So the scammer have successfully scammed TS on 5th Oct...

Question is....Raymond which always aware of scamming potential....does not take action to check when rob_z3_man msged him on 3rd Oct regarding paypal...

Busy with business?

This post has been edited by opera33: Oct 31 2008, 09:01 PM

Before all these, I seldom login LYN. Also, it is not uncommon for someone pretending to be "FTZONE" to scam careless buyers.

I have a shop as well as tyring to cope with online requests and sales. My online websites which are busy would be from lelong.com, zerotohundred and my own www.ftzoneracing.com sites. I do not have any successful trades yet from LYN since I registered my nick until now. Thats why I seldom login LYN.

Furthermore, I have posted warnings in my website for trading purposes. Who would you blame if they don't check carefully?

Hope that explains your doubts

afterall, i read n read thru all the postings here, the more i feel sth fishy really goin on ..

innocent until proven guilty i guess.could b the buyer making up story as well,trying to ruin this guy's good name.Or it could the ftzone is the conman himself but has elaborately cover up his tracks and making up another version of his story saying his account is hacked.Or it could be a hacker who has much free time in his life,hacks into another person's account,ingeniously creates a decoy maybank account and racks in cash as a side business,all in the process of covering his tracks....which i doubt who is behind all this.watever the truth is,nobody will know.

Malaysian conmans are usually not that smart...based on my exp...they are pitiful ppl who is in the slums of their life and r doin things beyond many reasonable moral ethiquete to earn a living...

O yea,i got conned bfore as well,but luckily he returned the money after tracking the con man down.

This post has been edited by Rogesterada: Oct 31 2008, 10:21 PM

2611,
why don't you post up the information & phone number used to contact you? or open a new thread on the complain. i am sure LYN has already provided a sample format posting up the complain in the dispute section. you could pm me the police report number as well... i will forward it to my IO (Investigation Officer) so that multiple reports have been done to show that the following bank account is used for scamming.

rogesterada,
the truth is always out there if you are willing to make an effort to find it. it is always very easy to make assumptions and pointing fingers on someone you don't know on forum postings... however, have you really went through all the facts? you are assuming that i am making up my story that my email was hacked? because of that assumptions of yours, it could effect my reputation. Do you think that is FAIR? do you know or understand the feeling of being framed for a crime you didn't commit? i am feeling that since 5th oct until now.
why don't you share the information on how you get to catch the conman of yours? that will be a better help instead of making "not so helpful" guesses.

For all the victims, please urge the police to open a case. By just lodging a report is almost useless. I had urged my IO opened my case and it should be in Bkt Aman as we speak. When you have opened a case together with the police report, the police will investigate. I pray for that my name is cleared and the real conman captured. (As a victim as well, how I wish I could smash a hammer on his/her face and brains for the stress i'm put through).

Here are what I did since my police report.
1. Police Report.
2. Report will be handed down to an IO (Investigating Officer) It could be a Sergeant, Inspector or C.I.D
3. Got the name and contact number of the IO.
4. Asked IO if the case is strong and it is worth investigating.
5. Follow up with your IO on the case.

Opera33,
on the question you posted,


I've tried my best level of effort to warn about anyone of a potential scam. I did post warnings in zerotohundred, my lelong store and my website about payment issues. I didn't expect that my accounts was compromised when rob_z3_man smsed me. All I thought is was an attempt someone trying to pretend as me and I've prevented rob_z3 being scammed. That was it. How often would you think your emails being hacked rite? not until shit happens to you.


This post has been edited by ftzone: Nov 1 2008, 12:13 AM

point well taken.Let the police do their job at this point.Wish u all d best in clearing ur name.

shithole that scammed my money
hp no - 014-5878015 but most probably he threw the sim card away since that night

i already opened a case with the inspektor from balai sentul...
he is investigating.

hopefully the real conman being arrested ~.~ 2 more weeks for TS's hearing date...

To all concerned LYN members,

Kelvin and myself attended the much awaited Tribunal hearing.
The Tribunal President has decided to cancel Kelvin's claim againts me.
Therefore, I hoped that I have cleared my name in this matter.

To the real scammer out there, this ain't over yet....

To Kelvin,
I hope that you could change the topic of this thread to "Beware of TS PRONTON ENTERPRISE Maybank Account" instead of accusing me as being the conman.

They are not accepting the case and be frank, this doesnt proof FTZONE to be innocent. Who noes, tml your acc got HACKED again. Who to be blame this time?

*Anyway, i edited the title.

This post has been edited by juztborn: Nov 21 2008, 10:00 AM

@ftzone,

to prevent more victims fall into the scammer that hacked ur account,
why don't you ask mod to delete this lyn account?
this at least will eliminate the chance to have more victims on the paypal stuff...

i have dealt with ftzone back in old days in zth buying racing stuff.
thru mail n postage...well deal went ok. stuff is accurate as mention..

kinda hard for me to believe he will con people..beside his attitude toward this..imo is co-operating and accommodating..

hope everybody will settle this. It is not impossible to have ur acc hacked. it happened to one of the mod here already

ps:no im not his friend. just old customer chipping some info.

Kelvin, with your edited thread title, it is even worst than the original... now you are accusing me that I am also known as TS PRONTON ENTERPRISE? This is called defamation! I was trying to be nice and I think I have explained myself clearly. I had enough tolerating this from you.
Do you know damaging ones reputation with baseless accusation is wrong? If I said that you looked like a gay! would you be be happy?
The Tribunal did not accept your case because they have a good reason. Because all these while you have been just accusing me!

cschun86,
deleting accounts will not solve anything. if some one used your name to cheat, will you change your name?

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Added on November 21, 2008, 12:09 pmEventhough I cannot recall who you are and what items you have purchased from me but I thank you and appreciate that you shared your kind thoughts.

I travelled by bus from Penang to KL for the Tribunal hearing. I sat a 1am bus and reached Pudu at about 5.30am. I walked around like a ghost trying to figure out how to get my ass to the Tribunal... and finally I got on a bus nearby and got off at Jalan Chow Kit, I walked again for about 1km to Putra Place which is actually known as The Mall. I was there at 7am and I patiently waited for the Mall to be opened. After the hearing which ended at approximately noon, I got myself lunch and got myself 2.30pm bus back home. I reached home at about 7pm and so was tired that I could hardly even open my eyes.

Did you guys know that about 10 million Americans suffer from identity theft? I now really feel their pain. Trust me, it's very time consuming to proof that you are innocent. The good news is that if you never cheated anyone or defaulted loans you didn't take, the truth will usually surface and the thieve will be caught eventually.

Hacking into e-mails is not impossible. The President of the Tribunal told Kelvin even FBI website has been compromised before. It is just not fair for a victim of identity theft to bear all the responsibilities. I heard Sarah Palin email got hacked too.. so Sarah Palin and the FBI is guilty? I have done my part as soon as I know that my account was compromised, and I believe that is the best I could do. Anyone not happy? That is no longer my problem.

This post has been edited by ftzone: Nov 21 2008, 12:09 PM

since sumwan chipped in some info bout ftzone...

may as well i chip some myself.. ftzone.. i have no idea what kind of seller u are.. bought from you projector headlamp b4... 1st day buy... used for less than a day... smsed u to ask y suddenly the angel eye one of the side fading... reply me in a way that is not helpful at all... " no warranty,he said for the very 1st reply frm his sms.." come on ... i m asking u y fading... not asking u can warranty or not... at least brief me sum advice why can lidat... NONE... ok... 3rd Day ... whole thing blowed... not even the 4th day using it... 1 side angel eye buta d... dunno what kind of item u selling... eventho is a non warranty item also doesnt make sense.. used 3 days only kaput d.. and the best thing is not helpful at all after item being purchased... all u can keep saying is NO WARRANTY... like i buy my pasal d...

i m not making ur name bad here... but this is my experience dealing with you... after since dat day... dare not buy any item frm u at all.... no doubht ur trade list alot in lelong, just becoz u got post items to them thru out many parts of malaysia.. when comes to servicing and helping frm seller to buyer... u are not recommended at all...

Hey, I remember this FTZONE.
On July 2008, i was looking for paypal funds of $600. So this guy emailed me, saying he has reputation in lelong. But I was smart enough. Instead of ftzone.racing@gmail.com published on that lelong website, he used ftzone.racing@hotmail.com to email me. I have been conned before that, so I am super caution this time. And that email is still in my mail. Here are those mails:

This one was between me and FAKE ftzone:



So, right after I get his so called lelong ID, I sms-ed the hp number as published on LELONG.
The real Raymond asked me to forward that email to his email which is at ftzone.racing@gmail.com.
And REAL ftzone replied me:



So, your RM3000 surely gone.

From the emails, we can see that F ftzone never ends an email with "regards, Raymond". But the REAL ftzone's email always end with "regards, Raymond".

This post has been edited by canny1985: Nov 21 2008, 01:47 PM

FigureManiac,

I am sorry about your case. But if I may ask, which part of my advertisement and product description that you didn't understand? I have clearly mentioned that the projector headlamps with ccfl rings are sold without warranty. It was a bargain, and I believe you decided to purchase it eventhough you are aware of the risks.

You see, sometimes a product is offered at a low price that the manufacturer, distributor and sellers cannot afford to provide warranty.
I have tested your headlamps to be in working condition before I ship it to you. It is unfortunate that the headlamps ccfl lamps failed after a few days using it.
It is not my intention to sell you faulty products. I have spoken to my supplier and they cannot accept any returns because the product is sold as is.
If I recalled, I have offered you an apology and recommended you a solution. You could change the CCFL ring to a new one with some aftermarket rings, but of course it isn't free.

I too took the risk and decided to purchase the headlamps because of the low pricing they are offering. Just to let you know, one of my stock which I tested to be faulty prior for shipment and I couldn't sell it at a profit and I couldn't return it to my supplier. I bare that lost. It's just the risk you have to take when purchasing such products which is not covered with warranty. End up I sell it way below cost just to clear it. Currently I am also using the same headlamps as well... it is still working fine though.

It is just like buying a flouresent lamp at the supermarket. They test it there, it worked and you purchase it back home. Once at home you install it and after 3 days the lamp failed to work anymore. If the lamp you purchased didn't come with a warranty, I am afraid you will just need to buy another lamp. It is unfair to say that I didn't help because I did respond to your enquiries.

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Added on November 21, 2008, 1:34 pmSpeaking of this, now I recall it too... you are smart enough because you contacted me before you made any payments.
As for your doubts, I have explained it in previous posts. Read it carefully and you will get the picture why I asked him to wait...


This post has been edited by ftzone: Nov 21 2008, 01:34 PM

i did understand that item is no warranty... but when i smsed you to ask for help... u shud help me by briefing me where to make it right or how... i m not asking for refund pls make urself clear as my 1st post... i m accusing u of not helping only .. not saying u duwan refund... and u said can be done but not free... when i asked u.. u told me cannot repair at all... for ur info... i got ur ads in lelong.com.my... yes... i m greedy to purchase sumting cheap.. i did expect sumting will happen in the future for this item with cheap price and in another hand no warranty... but i didnt expect 3 days used ... dat oso din make me so pissed off till u as the seller with verified and positive rating didnt help me... i tot ppl like u wit alot of positive rating shud be frendly enuff to lead the buyer to any problems just to maintain future dealings again... but u did not make it up to that standard... however it was months ago..after u didnt help me i also dare not call/sms u to ask help again... coz i know i ask 10 times oso da answer frm u will be the same... btw,u did not say sorry the last time... this is the 1st time in this post... anyway i accept ur apology.. hope u settle ur paypal prob asap... good luck in future business!!

This post has been edited by FigureManiac: Nov 21 2008, 01:39 PM

pity me pity him
edited * taking advise from a wise man


This post has been edited by 2611: Nov 21 2008, 04:39 PM

Im really not sure why this TS PRONTON keep Pretending to be FTZONE. There are lots of reputable seller out there and he just want to be you, RAYMOND. Not the 1st time, but the 3rd time from September till now.


Anyway , To ppl out there, for every transaction dealing with FTZONE, pls do call the REAL RAYMOND 1st to minimize the potential fraud or scamming purposes.

*I guess the title better now.

This post has been edited by juztborn: Nov 21 2008, 04:21 PM

Kelvin,

Thank you for a better edited title. I appreciate that.

TS PRONTON ENTERPRISE, I believe has been using several means of communications including pretending and hacking into reputable seller's account email, msn or skype or which ever possible channels of communications. Not just myself. I have studied the Sept Con Case related to TS PRONTON and it has nothing to do with me.. just that the name Raymond is the same as mine. Raymond is just too common english name. Phone & Email is entirely different from mine. Maybe it's just my bad luck. Believe me Kelvin, this scammer is not just using my name... dig deeper and you'll find out eventually. Don't let your desperation in getting back your money blind you from facts. Creating a tunnel vision on me alone will not get back your money. The key now is to find and gather facts and proof to nail the real scammer. I am still working on it.

FigureManiac,
Thank you for accepting my apologies.

Got One Buyer Said He Is Paypal Seller In Forum - Joe Wong.

He Add Me To MSN: kmmauto@live.com

Provide A Very Low Rate Of Paypal.

Ask Me To Bank In Etc...

Again. Pronton A/C.

Thx for the Info.

Damn i just bankin RM330 to ts pronton enterprises.. Someone sms me and told he is joe wong.. mean i'm victim now!!

just check that TS PRONTON ENTERPRISES locate at jitra,kedah. Need to wait until my friend who work in ssm to get detail about this company.

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Added on December 3, 2008, 8:14 pmi've trace this facking guy!! see at my thread for detail - http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/864457

This post has been edited by shahnakal: Dec 3 2008, 08:14 PM

bump this shit up !!! unsolved !!!

oh my god...im also the victim of ts pronton... me advertised in rc tech forum to buy a spektrum for rc car..i put my tel no..then someone sms me and offer me the item.. after some negotiation...so he ask me to bank in using maybank 5520-6803-1857 under pronton enterprise and claim his name is ahmad fazlee..until now the item not received..said sent on thursday last week..

demm.. tak puas hati la .... scamm people.. still keep the sms and email and also the bank transfer receipt.. so guyz let find this guy..very annoyyinggg demmmm what should i do..how to let police know this person is serious con man

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Added on December 10, 2008, 4:16 pmnow im trying to call the person...u guyz can guess that the phone is already switch off.. tel no 014-9918636 ... my location in kl.. hope all the victims can step forward and meet with me and can disscuss furthermore how to trace this guy..

so pls bring all the police lodge and together we should go to the police station where the person in charge of this case should know that this demm guy are really seriously conned people . so with several police report, hopefully the police personnel will take more seriously handle this case... if only me report to the police..for sure there is no action been taken..they might think kes kecik je.... so guyzz...are u with me??

This post has been edited by rajadcfives: Dec 10 2008, 04:16 PM

U are the fifth guy.... Haiz... Hmm, try to meet up after 12/12/08.. I can try to arrange with another victim.

dealt with raymond (ftzone) before, deal was quick n easy

i feel...if i have a good business going on online and in a brick and mortar shop...and have a good reputation to hold on to...i wont risk blowing years of hard work by suddenly wanting to earn big bucks by scamming ppl of their hard-earned money...

just my take on the matter...

This post has been edited by tofu: Dec 11 2008, 11:04 AM

Jz Beware! Only GOD knows wat raelly happen.

unsloved !!
bump it uppp

the thing is,
why isnt that pronton account frozen? its still active till now.

report in guys..
who ever got conned by ts pronton pls step up and arrange to meet up , together we report police.. do it fast pls guys
else more n more pp would be conned

1) 2611 - contact no. 017-6625674 -- paypal case, money involved rm1230


victims pls list down yr name n contact... keep in touch

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Added on February 15, 2009, 7:12 pmBUMP THIS SHIT U MUTHAFACKER TS PRONTON

This post has been edited by 2611: Feb 15 2009, 07:12 PM

OMFG, I am now SMSing with this number for a deal he said he's from KK sabah, then for safety reason I googled the number which I always do... ... 1 link, here

BUMP THIS UP. Hope will save more ppl.. and this guys still out there looking for new victim.

Did anyone of you guys already contacted the company? The information is posted on the other thread, which shown the company registration.

why the p*ck does the Pronton account hasn't been frozen yet anyway?

some one explain?

i smell something fishy going on....

guys, just some info
im one of the victim in this case, money involved more than rm1k.
People might have forgotten this case but im here to bring it up again . MOD PLS DO NOT CLOSE THIS THREAD !
made a quick police report at balai sentul the next day and my case was handled my inspektor afan.
i wrote everything clear and detail in my report, i soon got a question from the inspektor, APA ITU PAYPAL ?
WTF MAN. I SIMPLY CANT TOLERATE THIS GUYS. A POLICE THAT IS INCHARGED OF MY CASE ASK ME WHAT IS PAYPAL. I explain and clarify all his doubts. He asked me to wait for him to report and discuss this case with his ketua. i call him every 2 days to check the progress, he dragged me for about a month, and later he told me, INTERNET CRIME HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH POLICE. I SHALL HIRE AND CONSULT A LAYWER TO HELP ME. AND I CANT SIMPLY FROZE THAT PERSONS BANK ACC SIMPLY BECAUSE HE OR SHE CONNED ME !

HOW FRUSTRATED IT IS ! I SERIOUSLY COULDNT STAND THE ATTITUDE AND LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF MSIA'S POLICE , ALTHOUGH IT MIGHT BE SOME LIL EXCEPTIONS,

IN CONCLUSION, EVERYONE IN MALAYSIA CAN CON IN INTERNET, CAUSE THERES NO LAW TO PROTECT US THE VULNERABLE CONSUMER. !!!! AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, CON MAN SIMPLY WONT GET CAUGHT !!!

This post has been edited by 2611: Nov 29 2009, 01:34 PM

do u think every people in malaysia use paypal?....anyway why use paypal?...it not secure as u think..i know bout paypal since im 16 years old now im 25 and i dont understand why people use paypal...

Ftzone sell performance parts not PAYPAL...i never deal with ftzone but i know he only sell performance parts

never thrust people on the internet

my advice is go to police report and report to paypal to0

A tips on the reply from the real FTZone and the Fake 1.

The real Raymond replied in a nice letter writing method, with all the capital letters where it should be with greetings and all but the fake 1 is writing in the conversation method, all small letters with no greetings and etc. Simply from my observation from juztborn's attached pics in the 1st page. There u got what I meant

The attached pics can be seen thru the link to the post.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=20399206

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Added on December 1, 2009, 12:41 amI tot PayPal can file dispute and they help u to get back ur money too. I do have one and I saw this feature that's y i persuaded my dad to open one for me. But anyway, I don't know how to use I'm noob.. Pls correct me if I'm wrong with the dispute feature that PayPal offers as I wanna learn if it's a really safe trading in PayPal. Thanks.

This post has been edited by babylis: Dec 1 2009, 12:46 AM

with my limited knowledge.

Yes indeed you can file a dispute with paypal.. But in this case it will do you no help at all as,

1. The guys deposit into a bank account claiming to be FTZone but not transferring the funds to a paypal account

2. Paypal will require an email address to check as that will be their paypal account else they are unable to track where the funds etc go to

3. The money that went into the bank account were not transfered to paypal at all in the first place hence not in paypal's jurisdiction

4. Even if you have the bank account and go to Paypal, i don't think they will disclose the information of who's paypal account is linked to the bank account number you provide, as it have an issue with the privacy rights of the account owner.

sorry that i can't help with OP but just shed some light on babylis's query