The gliders diet has been debated in many foreign forums and I thought I would like to get everyone's input here on LYN. I personally feel that a glider's diet is rather complicated and there are many things that we can still learn from each other.

The reason I have opened a new thread for this is because sometimes when forumers ask about a glider's diet in the main thread, it gets lost in all the spamming. There is a thread on dogs' diet, so I thought we could have one on gliders.

Also, it would make it easier for newbies to learn about the gliders' diet.

This thread is meant purely for healthy serious discussions and feedback. Please do not flame anyone or spam this thread.

For a start, I'd like to share what I have read up on the many recommended diets in the market. Personally, I have only tried two of them but if you have tried others, please do share here.

HPW Diet

BML Diet

BML - Judie's Version

Darcy's Diet

PML Diet

There is also the SunCoast diet but I decided to omit that as the ingredients used is non-halal.

Currently, all these diets are not independent, meaning you would still need to feed fruits, veges and insects.

I have tried the BML and all three of my gliders have been on trial with the HPW Diet for over a month now as I have read great reviews about it. The odour has certainly lessened! But at the end of the day, we each have our preferred diets.

There are so many glider owners here and it would be great if we could all share the pros and cons of each diet. Also, does everyone here feed according to the correct Ca:P ratio? If so, it would be nice if you could share the combination of fruits to make the right ratio, taking into account oxalates, of course Or do you feed according to what your gliders like?

Thanks to empty_reg:
Some Common Diet and the No-No's

A few websites that show the Ca:P ratios:
http://www.swanimalhospital.net/html/veggie_info.html
http://www.repticzone.com/articles/Ca-P_ratios.html
http://www.beautifuldragons.503xtreme.com/Nutrition.html

This post has been edited by jtl: Feb 12 2009, 12:05 PM

good to have this thread. so we have a more serious talk and discussions on diet. as diet do play a very important role for the animals. cos what we feed, is that they eat. their health in on our hand.

i used to feed BML too. now my 2 babies are on HPW. and i can see the grow of kiro is significant.

as i don't hv male suggie. i not sure about the orodr things.

The Ca : P ratio is very important to suggie. If there is not enough Calcium they will draw calcium from their bones and that will cause them paralysis.

also i found our local suggie owner feed ALOT of mealworms.. we really need to understand their diet, phosphrous can be over dose anytime.

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Sep 24 2008, 10:19 PM

Woah, good thread for me to learn!

Although I am irrelevant to this thread, just wonder if Wombaroo Powder can be obtained in Msia? Or mostly need to import? I believe that HPW mix is almost similar to BML and there is quite a number versions for BML too...

Some may ask : What are Oxalates?

Oxalates bind with iron and calcium in foods so the body is not able to utilise all of the calcium and iron in that food. You should however note that Oxalate does not stop the synthesis of iron or calcium in the other foods in a diet, but only the food containing Oxalate. It is not recommended to feed foods high in oxalate every day and is wise to rotate the fruits and vegetables enough to account for this.

For example, let's say you feed Parsley every day because it is high in calcium. You need to consider that a lot of the calcium is not being absorbed because of the Oxalates. So it is best not to feed Parsley everyday.

Amongst the vegetables and fruits that are high in Oxalates are:

Beans (baked, green, dried, kidney)
Blackberries
Beets
Blueberries
Celery
Carrots
Figs
Collards
Kiwi
Eggplant
Lemon peel
Kale
Lime peel
Okra
Orange peel
Parsley
Raspberries
Rhubarb
Spinach
Strawberries
Tangerines
Sweet potato
Zucchini

I will need to do more research on local fruits and vegetables though. If anyone else here has any information on local fruits, it would be great.

This post has been edited by jtl: Sep 24 2008, 11:23 PM

HPW contain wombaroo high protein powder, while BML not. and its big difference between the both.

wombaroo need to be import... wombaroo included the calcium needed, so suggie who is on this diet, they do not need extra calcium supplement.

while BML added calcium are needed and its a MUST.

Oxalates:

so it means even parsely contain high calcium, but it bind 'its own' calcium or others intake with Oxalates, then it will = to no calcium. right? cos the animal canot absorb.

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Sep 24 2008, 10:46 PM

Good thread for glider owners and gliders...

wombaroo milk replacer can be found @ petshack. Its imported.

HPW do not contain wombaroo replacement milk its a difference thing. its call wombaroo high protein powder.

Please do read the links provided.

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Sep 24 2008, 10:48 PM

Yes, that is right. But I am not a qualified nutritionist so I am just sharing what I have learnt.

But we need to remember that apart from Calcium, the glider needs other vitamins and minerals as well. One cup of parsley contains:
Vitamin A 5055 IU, Vitamin C, 79.8 mg, Niacin 0.8 mg, Vitamin E (Alpha Tocopherol) 0.4 mg, Gamma Tocopherol 0.3 mg,
Pantothenic Acid 0.2 mg, Thiamin 0.1 mg, Riboflavin 0.1 mg, Vitamin B6 0.1 mg, Lutein+Zeaxanthin 3337 mcg, Beta Carotene 3032 mcg, Vitamin K 984 mcg, Retinol Activity Equivalent 253 mcg, Folate 91.2 mcg, Food Folate 91.2 mcg, Dietary Folate Equivalents 91.2 mcg.

Whilst I readily admit that I do not know the benefits of each and every vitamin stated, I do know some of them like Vitamin A and C are essential.

That's the main purpose of this thread. So that all of us can contribute what we each know.

hmmmmm it looks like i need to do my homework tomorrow.. i will get my office nutritionist to answer all my question.. lol..

ok these are what i know.. i not pro also ya.. just sharing what i know:

B6: improve the absorption of protein and fat. prevents nerve and skin related diseases.

Thiamine/ B1: to produce energy and support nervous system.

Riboflavin/B2: also for energy and support the growth of healthy skin, fur and nail.

B3/ Niacin: help promote a feeling of calm, and also produce energy.

nezu.. then which 1 u ask me to buy a?

wow.. wat a thread... good...
read all bout the diet alrdy...
HPW..?? wat is that..???

I think deriving the glider mix is pretty simple. I think you can even use Wombaroo with BML. There is no fixed diet and all these diets that was listed by JTL also created by glider enthusiast in other countries. As long we take as a guideline I believe our gliders can have the best diet.

Sometimes I see different variations of BML also.

Maybe I starting to talk rubbish. Better hop back to where I belong first....



This post has been edited by sangterap: Sep 25 2008, 09:58 AM

I have given the link for HPW It's a different diet, just like BML. Some people believe in BML, some believe in other diets. So, would like to know all the diets that people here have tried and compare the outcome.

Yup, you are right that deriving the mix is simple but to get an actual ratio is not so simple. If you use Wombaroo High Protein powder with BML, it tends to unbalance the ratio as the protein levels in WHP is way higher than baby cereal. I have noticed that glider enthusiast in other countries have actually worked out the ratios and I find that a good thing.

Yes, there are different variations but we need to be constantly aware of the ratios. That's why I asked what everyone else here is feeding.

This post has been edited by jtl: Sep 25 2008, 10:16 AM

wah so clever wor .
this really help thx nezu

Whoa good information !!~~

Nezu:

Those are very very good information !!~~ ^^

joey use replacement milk. anyway WHP not available in market here yet.

don't say like that.. we are here to learn as long as there is question, there will hv something to learn. of cos i hope we do not hv noob questions like if my suggie can eat KFC etc..

wombaroo is very high in protein n it contain required calcium for suggie, HPW mainly is about wombaroo + bee pollen, which bee pollen contain a very wide range of animo acid. which is very good for growth. as for BML. it also contain baby high protein powder and calcium supplement. if we add WHP into BML, protein n mineral will be over dose. that will cos health problem.

but we do can double up the dosage of WHP or double up the BML protein n calcium for a nursing mum, while they need alot protein n calcium to process good milk.

also it is important that when we making BML with the right cup. as all the recipe in net is by CUP. don't use the cup we drink ya..

by the way.. mealworm ca: p is about 0.06: 1.

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Sep 25 2008, 08:08 PM

thanks jtl n nezu... knw alrdy bout the diet...
=)
juz receive a new joey...
like my other 2 suggies.. i juz offer fruits, wormy...and some smoothieessss....
izit enough..??
do i need any other supplement..??

yes , its enoguh for the time being. of cos if affortable.. those necter and gum thingy is good for them as supplement

also try to reserch some fruits. not to feed all high phosphrous fruits same time..

thanks.. n i will... jtl alrdy show me the list...

hi...
just a couple of questions...
anyone can answer tis....

#1) will the measurements for the BML/HPW be the same as here?
as i know 1 teaspoon in US is not the same as in Australia or here.

#2) is it ok to use blackstrap molasses?
i've read that it's a better alternative to honey & nectar. (it is more costly)

This post has been edited by saramic: Sep 26 2008, 05:56 PM

#1) will the measurements for the BML/HPW be the same as here?
as i know 1 teaspoon in US is not the same as in Australia or here.
I use the teaspoon as in the cooking measuring spoons. I thought that is the same all over the world but I do not know for sure. As for cups, I use the standard 8oz cooking cup

#2) is it ok to use blackstrap molasses?
i've read that it's a better alternative to honey & nectar. (it is more costly)
Yes, I too heard that. They say its best to get organic blackstrap molasses. But nectar has few different types. Agave Nectar is used as a sweetener whilst Glider nectar or gliderade have different functions as the latter are used to provide carbohydrate.

This post has been edited by jtl: Sep 26 2008, 06:19 PM

ytd i fed minnie egg...but i duno how much shud give so i just put bout 1 tablespoon for her each day & night...is there any effect??cuz she seems no poo from then...

You mean you are giving her 2 tablespoons a day? Wow, that's a lot.

If she is still not pooing, steam a little pumpkin for her to eat. Just a little bit, yah

-wrote by jtl-

as i know & double checked....
1 teaspoon in UK = 2 teaspoon in US
1 tablespoon in US = 3 teaspoon US
but in malaysia 1 tablespoon = 4 teaspoon....

i know i've just confused everyone but just wanna find out....

jtl... pls gime the website for the food ratio...
cant find it.. thanks...

Hi Sara,

that day i saw alot of these measuring cups n spoon in giant. go get it lah.. i think few $ only.

so as long as u use the same SET. then will no hv problem

hi....
i've already got the measuring cups & spoons as i bake but i think i better get a separate set...
don't wanna mix some floor/baking powder by accident...
thanks nezu...

There are many websites but you can try these few as starters:
http://www.swanimalhospital.net/html/veggie_info.html
http://www.repticzone.com/articles/Ca-P_ratios.html
http://www.beautifuldragons.503xtreme.com/Nutrition.html

This post has been edited by jtl: Sep 27 2008, 12:04 PM

thank u...

man this thread is very informative and awesome!

very crucial info and need to be spread out to ALL suggie owners..

Hi there I'm new to SG.. All this slurp, smoothies, fruitciles and those things (That forumers here make) they all require freezer for storage.. Is there any other products similar to these which doesn't requires freezers at the same time provides as much nutrients??

I'm staying at a hostel, freezer is out of the question, only can get normal mini fridge to chill stuffs..

Thanks alot.

then all u can do is supplement them with rep-cal(not sure if still anyone bring in) or glider-cal(Pet shack got) and.. hmmm ....can u cook in hostel?

hye..
diet pros..
nid advise here..
im going to kampung for hari raya..
i had to leave my WC adult at home..12(breeding)
here is the ingredient that i have:

4 low fat yogurt
4 carrots
4 tomatoes
4 honey dew slices..
lots of mealworms

im leaving them tommorw morning and will be back here on thursday..
how shud i feed them??or shud i go n get more food??no apple for them..they had many dy...

help me!!
thank you

Ok ok.. Cook in hostel? Erm.. I have a heater which I don't use, if it involves boiling, steaming.. Maybe I can work something out with what I have.. Frying can't..

By the way, now there's a new issue in slurp (posted in gliver v8).. I'm really confused with all these things.. So many kinds of diet debates..

So what important is fruits and vege should be 2:1 Cal:P ratio.. 3 fruits + 1 vege + a few insects + some kibbles = fix meal.. Others are just supplements? Is small dose of raw honey recommended? Search for glider-cal, is it in powder form? What about glider-booster? Do you carry this product?

err, who is it going to feed them daily or are you leaving all the food inside the cage? erghh..

i check for u tonight or tomorrow morning ok. now hv to go settle all my babies 1st

of cos not fried. non fried food for animals n sorry anything about product sale do in pm don't make the thread like a sale place, we purely wanna learn about diet.

NO RAW HONEY... if u really want to give. give those normal we eat will do. or u want a better one will be those in organic shop necter..

later i come back with more info ok

thats the prob..
no one is around for 2 whole day..
no option dy..
everyone hari raya ing..
2 days without pple..not even neighbours..
how a??

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Added on September 29, 2008, 8:12 pmthx nezu..
hope fully tonite..so that i can prepare for them..

This post has been edited by [cipan]: Sep 29 2008, 08:12 PM

Thanks Nezu, hope to hear from you soon. = )

Wah Cipan, like that also can ar? Can't get anyone to come over to help you feed them? The food will rot oh..

This post has been edited by empty_reg: Sep 29 2008, 08:35 PM

so u mean no one feed them.. canot put fresh for days wor.. u will need dry staple food.. if u r not supplement them with calcium powder. don't feed too much mealworms.. 3 - 5 per day will do. very high in phouphrous...will pm u..

basically calcium n protein is very importand for them, try to use egg ask protein cos kibbles is abit high contain in phosphrous. then supplement with the suitable calcium don't simply get calcium from outside ok. if u do supplement them the right potion of calcium.. then u will no need to worries about wha fruits to feed. but still try to skip those hi oxalede fresh.cos it will bind their calcium.

wat will actualy hapen IF we give to much of calsium...??

too much of anything isnt a good thing also.
wat happens if human too much calcium.

Electroyid: Too much calcium will cause kidney stone, residue calcium in other organs, and or joints and some other things similiar, I guess.. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Nezu thanks alot for the info.. I was wondering, many of you feed SG with yogurt as treats and calcium source.. Just wandering can they take cheese? Cheese are milk products that is process too right?

You say no raw honey, give normal processed honey.. But why? Isn't more nutrient contained in raw honey as to processed?

yup u r right.. stone problem.

Cheese is salty abit but u can give very very tiny pcs say like 5mm X 5mm..

about the honey.. sorry i didn't really read in it. its something about digestion. u can google it. also those BML n HPW diet stated no RAW honey

go study then come back teach me lah.. today iam very lazy ..LOL...

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Sep 30 2008, 11:48 AM

How to teach you? You must be kidding.. You're like been keeping these gliders for so long... More over, production and distribution of smoothies requires lots of research ma.. Some more you have your own nutritionist..

I thought raw honey is better cause human take raw honey is better.. That's just my assumption.. Besides I take it when ever they are available... Haha..

But anywhere, google it.. Basically they say too much honey is not good. Cause they contained botulinum endospores . Too much of these stuff causes diarrhea (Especially joeys before 4 mth OOP).. These applies to some diet mix as well (HPW and BML mix - contain 1/2 cup honey <According to the article, 150ml is very high>) [I'm not an expert I found them at google].. This is because their digestive system isn't strong enough.. And no RAW honey because they contain more botulinum endospores than processed.. Further detail study I leave it to the expert to comment...

I found the resource Here and Here.

of cos u can teach me.. i am still learner i cut down the postion of Honey in BML n HPW, and the more i concern is Ca: P which is a direct harmful thing to them. as for honey. its stated everyway no RAW honey. so i just keep in mind NO RAW HONEY cos as long as not RAW n don't feed much honey. they are safe in it.

i am more into calcium: ph and oxalade. , oxalade also basically about calcium hehe..

Ok ok.. Saw in the first post those vege and fruits with high oxalde.. Building a list of fruits that I can feed them.. Haha.. Thanks alot for your help..

hie, is there any food that contain cal naturally?
or, we have to add cal in it?

From the few site posted by JTL on Cal:P,its obvious most of them have higher P over Cal.So we cant depend on the food itself to provide Cal.Therefore,we have calcium powder,multivitamin..bla..bla..bla..to add on their diet..

yes u ccan, if are very strict to their diet. and also do ur homework well

but some fruits n vege we not possible to get here also.. sometime i just canot help to give them a little bit of this n that fruits.. so to play it saft, add calcium supplement. again NEVER over dose calcium

I tell you ah, soon empty_reg will become a pro on glider diet too...

I see him doing loads of studies here...

Lol.. Thank bonai, still got many to learn from veterans like you and nezu... I just want the best for my glider..

Keeping pets, diet and habitat most important ma.. but gliders need companion ship also so I believe this is not easy like keeping any other pets..

By the way, need advice from experts.. I know ppl don't normally do this..

I got lots and lots of this human Calcium tablets.. It says here on the box, each tablets contains 600mg calcium and 400iu Vitamin D-3.. So when I'm drinking this thingy, can I like give the gliders like a few drops? Every morning when I'm taking it, I'll give them some... (If can means I save money in calcium supplements lo. haha) This thing is called Cal-D-Vita.

What I'm concern with is the overdose only.. Any idea what's the normal calcium intake for SGs?
Cause some of you here may be in nutrient research for a long time already, so maybe some of you can enlighten me. Thanks alot and Happy Hari Raya to everyone.

thanks 4 da info...
=)

yeah..does human calcium supplements are the same as gliders? where >95% of the ingredient is calcium carbonate

post wrong side sorry.

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Oct 1 2008, 08:40 PM

wow u great..empty_reg..

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Oct 1 2008, 08:56 PM

very confused a..

nothing to be confused about..just make sure phosphorus dont get higher than calcium & make sure not to overdose calcium..

conclusion, make it calcium : phosphorus ; 1.5:1 or 2:1

correct me if wrong

the wombaroo now i giv glitter twice a day, and let her drink as much as she wants. BUT the packet says add 50g of powder to make 200ml milk. I do not need so much. So i just estimate the powder and water.

Is there anything i need to be precaution of?

About the cheese, is it recommanded to feed a small small piece everyday?

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Added on October 2, 2008, 1:28 amcalcium : P = 2:1 .

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Added on October 2, 2008, 1:29 amwad u feed daily?

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Added on October 2, 2008, 1:38 ami find that PML is the simplest to make. without the gm , ml all that makes me confusing.

THE PML any1 tired before? I got the wombaroo milk maybe i can try making it.. anyway the honey use processed 1 right?

This post has been edited by ^MochI^: Oct 2 2008, 01:38 AM

milk is important for a growing suggie so the measurement must be correct.

cheese has alot of salt. try yogurt.

yes. only use processed honey.

if it is too confusing for you then just feed smoothies/slurp (which ever u still trust) & fruits alternately....

every suggie is different with different preferences for fruits....

example my gadget & qiqi hates apples while timon & pumbaa loves them...

so it's up to us to find out what fruits they like & refer to the chart to see that you are giving them the right cal : p ratio....

try not to feed the same fruits every time... be imaginative....

you don't like to eat the same thing all the time too right?

i can eat nasi goreng USA everyday...


anyway mochi, just a little advice:

make sure the milk is not too thick later your joey cannot digest...

It has to be 2:1.

Mochi, what you have is Wombaroo Milk Powder. PML uses WOMBAROO HIGH PROTEIN POWDER. Please do not get confused between the two. I think Nezu also mentioned this earlier on to you.

This post has been edited by jtl: Oct 2 2008, 02:34 AM

Thanks for the info NewbieBetta. Thanks for the comment sharil_routh, Happy festive season. Thanks bonai for the help yesterday.

By the way, regarding cheese, what seramic and nezu say is right, is not advisable, but can give them once in a blue moon (small small piece). Reason is cheese is internal binding - it causes constipation, and another guy claims that it prevents your glider from growing.
Resources:
Some Common Diet and the No-No's

Regarding processed honey, don't overdose can already. One more thing safe about using processed honey (I assume those with proper label) is that they don't contain refined sugar. If raw honey (usually sold in glass bottles), is very hard to differentiate (the pureness), unless the seller is reputable. Cause raw honey is expensive, and many of those sold in night market are raw honey mixed with large quantity refined sugar. Consumers will have serious health problems taking this substance.

Just a suggestions: we have many list of what SGs can eat, won't it be great if we too have a list of what SGs can't eat? If jtl decides to put them in first page for reference, some of the No's are included in the link about.

oh ookok .. actually the instruction behind stated add 50g to 200ml, but glitter cant drink up to 200ml ma.. so i have to mix myself. i juz make sure its not too thick and not too scarce. CAn right?

Is okay de ^MochI^. The milk you buy is for additional nutrients for your Glitter.. My personal opinion is that a bit scarce is alright, but since too thick is not good, then I definitely don't want to make it thick.. Don't worry too much, Glitter will be happy and healthy even if they just get 70% nutrient out of the milk.

Mochi, I thought I explained this to you when you came that day.

You need to adjust accordingly to the measurements. If 50g makes 200ml, then 25g makes 100ml, 12.5g makes 50ml and so forth. You just need measure it.

u did? my memory is very bad.. and bad maths too.. use wad to measure g ?

empty- thanks..

er.. can i feed glitter just feed papaya and wombaroo milk since she doesnt knw how to eat harder fruits and veges wor..

g = grams. erm, you bake anything at home? you can use a mini scale..

hi all~ would like to seek some advise. i have a baby gal which is 4 months old. which is more suitable for her.

1. The pet glider complete multivitamin ( from krynzpeaches )

OR

2. Repcal (Green Label) Phosphorous Free & No vitamin D3

thanks alot!

Erm, the two products are different. So is a bit tough to say which is better.

The multivitamins as the name suggest, contains, calcium, nectar, bee pollen, and other things, while the Repcal contains only calcium.

Maybe you can take a look at the multivitamin nutrient facts before you make your decision. But overall if you're feeding your gliders with food that has sufficient calcium, then multivitamin may be your preferred choice. Besides, since your glider is still young, then multivitamin will help boost the immune system as well.

If the gliders has insufficient calcium, then Repcal might be more suitable, for instance, gliders show signs of lack in calcium, then Repcal will help boost their calcium intake.

But I'm just giving my opinion, jtl, nezu and the other experts will be able to better aid you in making your selection.

err.. no baking wor.. so i need get something like a mini scale to weight isit.. can weight grams a.. since so little amount only like 1g.. lol.. accurate anot de

Erm, usually small analog scale will be sufficient. Kitchen scales are made to measure small items de ma (3 kg scale will be good enough). If you doubt the accuracy, maybe you can op for digital scales. These are much more accurate, very easy to read and more expensive. You can purchase scales at stores that sell baking stuffs.

But if you want to measure 1g to 5 g. Then maybe digital is better, cause some can measure 0.000 grams. Anyway, search for 'kitchen scale' under garagesales and you will find a guy selling this item. You can ask him more, but the items is out of stock.

calcium is more important, if u have budget, then get the calcium 1st, then next is the multi vit. if u can affort of cos getting both is the best. repcal is seashell base n there is an other better one which is stone base. glider-cal. also cheaper

i am sure there is something in ur house which u can measure gram. dig ur 4 yrs old boy stuff n see.. i am sure when he is baby sure u hv something for him. if u want to measure 5g in scale, u will need a digital one..

err.. i think i rem i post here? but cant find where my question..
err i ask again double confirm..

becoz glitter still small or she picky, she doesnt like to eat veggies even i chop into small small pieces for her. Im afraid she doesnt get enough nutrients.. Is it ok to feed her just the smoothie+milk+papaya for the time being as i slowly introduce more veggies and fruits which are harder for her?

It's best if you can give her a variety of fruits and veggies. If you are concerned about her being picky, then what you can do is blend the fruits and veggies together so that she can't pick and choose. You will need to experiment which combination works best for Glitter.

ok thanks.

thanks for the suggestions! ive read from some pages which calcium needs to be given everyday, some says just twice a week.

which should i follow?

if im feeding her twice a day, does that mean i have to sprinkle the calcium per meal?

Giving calcium supplements varies. If the food you're feeding are already high in calcium then calcium supplements that you purchased can be given twice a week. For those that fed calcium supplements everyday, is either the food they are feeding does not have high calcium content, or they are just giving the gliders light dose of calcium.

Recommended is 1.5 : 1 to 2 : 1. If you're somewhere between that range then your glider will be healthy. I won't try feeding twice a day. But still it depends on the food the glider is eating. Be careful not to overdose. Good luck

maxi supplement once a day....

go get a measure spoon those use for baking.

1 teaspoon of Calcium Supplement - 50days consumption for 1 glider. don't over dose.

scope 1 teaspoon out. then pinch it.. make it 50 pinch.. so u know the amount to pinch per day.

lol. so cumbersome... use scale much easier. or make 50 days food easier. haha. jz put everything into a blender. den later on oni divide into equal ice cubes den count how many cubes and calculate d amount should be fed. haha


sorry... im a com science and com math student. so calculations is apart of my life.... means i gt no life

of cos if he can make some food is always better
scale canot weight pinch loh bro.. tooo little to weight..

err.. if the smoothie contains calcium already. i still need to add calcium supplement?

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Added on October 7, 2008, 1:09 amwad if my mixture is .. brocolli,celery,apple,pear,smoothie,eggs. Is it ok ?

This post has been edited by ^MochI^: Oct 7 2008, 01:09 AM

never over dose calcium supplement.

celery will be biter after oxidize. replace it with other fresh. if u want to give celery cut n feed.

eggs are ok to feed.

Great info

As for me, I dun think that it's compulsory to feed supplements to your glider. Some people tend to overdose their glider if it's not done right. IMHO, gutloading mealworms is a complete waste of time. What goes into the mealie is digested there, you don't store food in your stomach.

Geez.. checking back on the diet, my glider is getting a lot of carbs

lol we don't eat the stomach of meal worms mah.. suggie eat their fresh just like we feed chicken n we eat chicken meat. we don't eat chicken stomach..

calcium supplement is not a must, IF we realy can count the Ca : P intake of our suggie.. it not will end like my suggie boy...

Duh I didn't say eat mealie stomach.

Maybe i can correcting a bit of her word...

Its mean, like us la...when we eat , fruit, chicken, etc... all the vit , carbohydrate, etc will being process in our body, same like mealworms, when we gutload mealworms we need the nutrition from the food into the mealworm. Hmm..am i correct?

Hi Suiteng...

anyway i don't think gutloading mealworms is a complete waste of time..look at it this way, you don't know what they feed mealies in the shop..and probably the mealies eat their own poo/dead mealies coz usually shop people didn't care to separate it...

by gutloading, the mealies will eat all the good stuff you provide and all the stuff they it before will be out from the mealies in the form of poo..so this assure that your suggies not only got protein from the mealies but also nutrition from stuff that the mealies eat...its common sense i guess...

Gutloading is good~! = a misconception that the pet which ate this gutloaded mealie will get vitamis and other calcium eaten by the mealie. Well, it doesn't.

Gutloading is not needed if your pet is given balanced. Mealies are fed as treats, not as a main course.

For source of protein and calcium, crickets are good too~


crickets crickets good good~

wahh.. crickets...

dats mean TS and crazymouse at glider thread should explain more clearly about the concept la...

crickets ca : p is better than mealworm ratio actually.. but i just personally don't like crickets haha cos i gerli

suiteng, this photo i see b4 last time u post.. always like this photo.. sooo cute..

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Oct 7 2008, 11:57 AM

problem with criket is a to maintain they life...
coz normally rm 1=25 criket..so normally i feed for 1 week
3-4 criket for each SG per day..i have 2 SG..

but almost 7-8 criket may b more will die within 1 week...n so stingky
so i choose superworm & mealworm.