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nimrod2
post Sep 18 2008, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(siemens @ Sep 16 2008, 10:05 PM)
DI box?
btw wads the different with a line out from the amp and a DI socket cos
the laney bass amp RB3 has a DI socket while the Guitar amp LX65D has a line out
these 2 have any diff a?

mayb cos we are so small and used to be amplified thru an amp
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DI box is to balance the signal. a balanced signal can travel further without losing the strength of the signal. this helps if your PA is located far from the stage. sometimes the lineout is not a balanced signal, and that is when u need a DI box to balance the signal.

line out from the amp and DI box is usually the same. if they say its a balanced signal out from the amp, then it should be a balanced signal already coming out from it.

QUOTE(lordie @ Sep 17 2008, 04:24 PM)
might as well get a better upgraded mixer? maybe 8 channel? and a few DI's. u can get DI boxes for both guitar i think. not sure abt guitar but bass got a ton of brands make and model. the cheapest. you could get a Hartke VXL      that got a XLR DI or maybe those multi effect with xlr output like Zoom B2.1u or something

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if u use the DI, then i guess u can use the last channel on the mixer. but i guess u have to plan out the future needs of the church. better to spend a little now and have room for expansion later.

cheap DI box is by behringer. they are quite good performing budget DI's.


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post Sep 18 2008, 01:13 PM

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err not gonna upgrade at the moment ba

we have this Behringer 180w keyboard amp
they have an XLR output

if i plug my bass into the amp

will it be alright?

i have this in mind

direct plug my bass into the amp den use the XLR output to the PA

so this way i dont have to get the DI box right?

The keyboard amp has both an XLR input and XLR output..

so wad do you guys think?


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post Sep 18 2008, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(siemens @ Sep 18 2008, 01:13 PM)

if i plug my bass into the amp

will it be alright?

i have this in mind

direct plug my bass into the amp den use the XLR output to the PA

so this way i dont have to get the DI box right?

The keyboard amp has both an XLR input and XLR output..

so wad do you guys think?
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actually, the only reason i asked u to DI box and send to the mixer is so that u dont have to use an amp. if u wanna use the k/b amp, then that will be the monitor for the bassist. then when u output from the amp to the mains, that is for the whole place.

if the output is balanced, then good. u dont need a DI box. but if its unbalanced, then u may have a problem with the signal if the mixer is too far behind.

its safer/better to use a DI box, but it is not a must.


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post Sep 18 2008, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(nimrod2 @ Sep 18 2008, 01:23 PM)
actually, the only reason i asked u to DI box and send to the mixer is so that u dont have to use an amp. if u wanna use the k/b amp, then that will be the monitor for the bassist. then when u output from the amp to the mains, that is for the whole place.

if the output is balanced, then good. u dont need a DI box. but if its unbalanced, then u may have a problem with the signal if the mixer is too far behind.

its safer/better to use a DI box, but it is not a must.
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i got the phobia of blasting amps

i blasted the keyboard amp and fixed it for rm 200++ cry.gif

alright but wait!
the k/b amp can handle the bass right??

and if i plug my guitar's amp output into the main
wont kill the PA right??
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post Sep 18 2008, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(siemens @ Sep 18 2008, 01:27 PM)
i blasted the keyboard amp and fixed it for rm 200++  cry.gif

alright but wait!
the k/b amp can handle the bass right??

and if i plug my guitar's amp output into the main
wont kill the PA right??
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how did u blast it? usually amps wont die unless the signal is distorted (i think) or they handle too low frequencies that they not designed to handle.

i believe yes ler. u try softly first just to be safe.

it wont kill the PA. make sure that the gain settings on the mixer is at the appropriate level, and everything will be fine.
mic the amp or lineout the amp?
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post Sep 18 2008, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(nimrod2 @ Sep 18 2008, 03:06 PM)
how did u blast it? usually amps wont die unless the signal is distorted (i think) or they handle too low frequencies that they not designed to handle.

i  believe yes ler. u try softly first just to be safe.

it wont kill the PA. make sure that the gain settings on the mixer is at the appropriate level, and everything will be fine.
mic the amp or lineout the amp?
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err i blast my amp thru a micro cube output:D
i send it th e amp dewn abt 30mins den boom rclxub.gif

alright DI box den it is...

btw whr can i get one of these?
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post Sep 18 2008, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(siemens @ Sep 18 2008, 03:57 PM)
err i blast my amp thru a micro cube output:D
i send it th e amp dewn abt 30mins den boom  rclxub.gif

alright DI box den it is...

btw whr can i get one of these?
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hmm thats weird. maybe power spike or something. should be nothing wrong if normally loh.

DI box well anywhere also can get ler. u're from subang jaya? where's your church?
the distributor of behringer in malaysia is Avem electronics. u call them.
should be around rm200 only.
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post Sep 18 2008, 09:08 PM

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yeah i`m from subang
my church is in PJ
gasing hills
small and family church
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post Sep 19 2008, 02:07 PM

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alright. if u wanna come my church to look around, no problem okay.

every last week of the month we try to have jam sessions. u can come n join in or watch if u're interested biggrin.gif

hope the setup works for your church dude.
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post Jan 16 2009, 10:31 PM

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Hey,

Tumpang thread. I'm looking a guitar amp for personal use. Playing at home. I see Roland MicroCube is the most recommended one but I want something bigger. LOL. I mean higher watts, like 20w-30w? Are Laney amps good?
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post Jan 17 2009, 03:27 AM

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my suggestion is ...if ur really ona budget, geta huge ass bass amp. bass amp has low frequencies so it can tahan highs and lows. simple theory is ...bass amp can play guitar and bass.....guitar amp cannot play bass but can play guitar only. so means the bass amp is the most tahan lasak, its built to tahan slapping popping bass lines which will KOYAK the amp if ur amp is not good. so here u go, HUGE ASS bass amp =) its from my experience i used my bass amp 180 watts for bass guitar and keyboards too ..sometimes accoustics lol.
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But Bass amps don't do distortion well. waaaaaaaaaay too boomy.

If you want something with bigger watts, try out the Vox Valvetronix line. The 15VT and 30VT in particular, sounds very good with it's 22 amp settings. It's definitely highly recommended here as well.

But if you like the sound of the microcube, you can always upgrade to the Cube series from Roland as well, but for my money, the Vox series sounds smoother because of the valve inside.
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post Jan 17 2009, 04:28 PM

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Sorry if someone answered this already,

I've tried double plugging a bass and a keyboard into a single keyboard amp, the end result?

Really bad low end, don't even bother trying it, unless u want the bass to just play for show-show only la, coz really cannot hear any low end.

even if just the bass itself to the keyboard amp already quite bad, dont waste your time.
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post Jan 17 2009, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(wasabiluv @ Jan 17 2009, 04:28 PM)
Sorry if someone answered this already,

I've tried double plugging a bass and a keyboard into a single keyboard amp, the end result?

Really bad low end, don't even bother trying it, unless u want the bass to just play for show-show only la, coz really cannot hear any low end.

even if just the bass itself to the keyboard amp already quite bad, dont waste your time.
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definately, coz the keyboard amp is not really suited to handle the booming bass sounds of the bass guitar.
maybe some low-end from a keyboard, but not full flat low ends.

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post Jan 28 2009, 10:34 AM

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Just get a cheap 15 watt amp for the electric or the bass and turn on the max volume. It won't sound as good but better than exploding your amps
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post Jan 29 2009, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(dwaynetan @ Jan 17 2009, 03:27 AM)
my suggestion is ...if ur really ona budget, geta huge ass bass amp. bass amp has low frequencies so it can tahan highs and lows. simple theory is ...bass amp can play guitar and bass.....guitar amp cannot play bass but can play guitar only. so means the bass amp is the most tahan lasak, its built to tahan slapping popping bass lines which will KOYAK the amp if ur amp is not good. so here u go, HUGE ASS bass amp =) its from my experience i used my bass amp 180 watts for bass guitar and keyboards too ..sometimes accoustics lol.
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guitar using bass amps? i tried it sounds bad sad.gif well at least for aluminum speakers. i think it will fare much better on paper cones. but bass OD and drive pedals are AWESOME for guitars on metal, sounds amazing!
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post Jan 29 2009, 03:16 PM

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Better call some of your friends to help fork out some money ?
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QUOTE(lordie @ Jan 29 2009, 02:54 PM)
guitar using bass amps?  i tried it sounds bad sad.gif well at least for aluminum speakers. i think it will fare much better on paper cones. but bass OD and drive pedals are AWESOME for guitars on metal, sounds amazing!
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fender strat into fender bassman.
sounds familiar? tongue.gif

its the 15" speakers that matters.
all those 8x10 or whatever bass amps wont really cut it for guitar.

 

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