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post Sep 20 2008, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(arremie @ Sep 19 2008, 11:43 PM)
That's why la. So far I know only Haier got 32" plasma but the resolution is like 8xx time 4xx only. Might be good with Astro but super crap for PC. If I can find 32" plasma with resolution 13xx time 7xx and with 1:1 pixel mapping, I sure get one. Now looks like I have to settle with 32" LCD only. Might be so so with Astro but at least PC will look good with text and all.
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LG has 32' plasma in the Asean market including Malaysia too, and has been around for almost a year already. The model is 32PC5RV. It uses 480p panel. RM 2199 seems like a fair price but I do not know if it is the cheapest. The PQ looks ok when playing standard DVD the last time I saw it in BD midvalley.

There is a new LG 32" HD ready plasma model. It is available in the european countries for almost 2 months now but don't know if Malaysia is going to get it at all. I was told by my friend working in the UK that this model is selling like hot cakes as it performed well in palying the TV program there. The model is 32PG6000. Looks exactly the same as the PG60 in local market only that it is smaller.

Personally, I am looking for this set to replace my LCD. I have both LCD and plasma panels .... IMHO, I think the PQ in my plasma is better than the LCD. Of course, the LCD that I owned is not the high end models like the SONY that you've always supported. tongue.gif

BTW, any LG guy in this forum that could share the possiblity of getting this panel in Malaysia?

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post Oct 4 2008, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(Mooneyes @ Oct 3 2008, 01:04 PM)
ahem BD dvd cost the same as normal ahem dvd here in kuching laugh.gif
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Bro,

The AHEM BD DVD that cost u RM6 in Kuching are indeed regular D5 / D9, some captain Jack Sparrow just simply printed the BD logo on the cover. The better AHEM BD DVD still cost you around RM15 to RM21, comparing to good quality AHEM D9 that cost you RM12 to RM 15


Added on October 4, 2008, 8:27 am
QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Oct 3 2008, 01:55 PM)
Yes, almost full suite of colour management system (CMS) one could ask for (at  least in the PG6000 lah). Our castrated PG60UR only got WB, black level, gamma and RGB gain/cut. The rest of the controls are out.  A proper comparison to what they have for PG6000 in UK is here and look at the OPERATION chapter.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/LG-42PG6000/
Actually got. But you gotto hack into their service menu kua.
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The PG60UR that we got here is the downscale version of the PG60. PG60D in North America, and the PG6000 in Europe do have the ISF. ISF in the PG6000 are pre-set settings that approved by the ISF. They have the ISF day and ISF night for different viewing environment, much like the cinema, sports and etc. mode, only that the ISF settings were tuned by the much accredited ISF lab.

The ISF settings are not in the service menu either because i know how to access their on screen service menu, and I couldn't find the settings there.

BYW, have you notice also the on screen menu also look different that the PG6000, also different from the one published in the malaysia LG website? When i asked the LG customer service, they told me the version of the menu (which is actually the outdated 2007 version) we have in the PG60UR is easier to read than the newer menu. I salute you, malaysia LG customer service, cause you are the biggest sxxker cum liar in AV world.

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post Oct 6 2008, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(Mooneyes @ Oct 4 2008, 10:19 AM)
my fren bought the AHEM ratatouile BD DVD for rm6 IIANM..very nice PQ
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Animated movies like 'Cars', 'Ratatouile', 'Ice Age' normally looks fine even in D9 format, not much difference to normal eyes unless you are really some expert ... If you really wanna see the difference, try movies like "Pearl Harbour" as the difference in PQ is quite substaintial between the two sources


Added on October 6, 2008, 8:27 am
QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Oct 4 2008, 10:42 AM)
Anyway, care to share on how to access LG's service menu? Thanks.
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To access the service menu, follow the following steps
a) first, turn on your TV
b) press and hold down the 'menu' button on your tv set, don't release it
c) press and hold down the 'menu' button on your remote control, don't release it and wait for a few seconds, the service menu will appear on your screen

Good luck trying but don't mess with the settings unless you know what you are doing ..

BTW, to get off the menu you can simply turn off your TV ..


Added on October 6, 2008, 8:33 am
QUOTE(arremie @ Oct 4 2008, 01:30 PM)
I don't get it why many people still confuse over ahem stuff. There's no ahem BD yet on the market. All you see is DVD or else you won't be able to play it with your DVDP. No matter if they copy it from BD or if they have BD cover....it is still DVD! Get your fact straight people vmad.gif

haha...marah pulak laugh.gif
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Relax bro, we know they are just DVD, that's why we called them AHEM BD DVD instead of AHEM BD ...

BTW, there are rumors that AHEM BD started to appear in the market though i have yet to see one myself .......


Added on October 6, 2008, 8:42 am
QUOTE(aiz1j @ Oct 5 2008, 02:06 PM)
Bro,
    If you are not satisfied with the specs of your 42PG60UR, you can go through Tribunal for Consumer Claims and try to get a refund.  If the specs advertised on the website/advertisement are clearly different from the actual unit, it is something that can be brought to the tribunal.
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Thanks for the info bro. Actually I am quite satisfy with the set I bought .... I actually compared it side by side with the P brand Plasma before I bought it. IMHO, the PQ of this set is better than the latest HD Ready plasma of the P brand and SS brand but lose out to the P brand full HD plasma. But you can't compare apple with orange, right?

What really pxxxing me off is the customer service and the fact that untrue facts are being published in their website.

So, i won't go asking for a refund as i can't think of any substitute yet

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post Oct 6 2008, 11:32 AM

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Hi, may i know after comparing, what's the aspects of consideration that have made you choose PG60 rather than the PV80H
The PQ itself only ?

For me, the USB drive and also the 1-frame design that interest me most, but can't make decision yet, cause house moving only end of the year, still have time to consider...and more feedback

Now both pricing come to the similar or RM3799-RM3899 (with or without free gifts)
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Well, it is a combination of a few factors
a) i think the set itself looks better than PV80H due to the frameless design
b) i wasn't paying attention to the USB port at first ... but it proved to be a useful feature ...
c) the PQ. This fact is the most impressive. I actually had no confidence in the LG's PQ as I had compared the earlier LG 42PC5R with the Panny Plasma (i think is the PV70 series) and the LG looks like an stoneage model when compared to Panny. But comparing PG60 and PV80H change my opinion totally.

BTW, some draw back about the PG60 if you are to get it
a) reflection is more serious than other models
b) IR is quite obvious, but no burn in issue so far .... dunno how bad is it comparing to panny
c) DO NOT EXPECT GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE FROM LG MALAYSIA

Hope my opinion helps
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post Oct 7 2008, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Oct 6 2008, 03:31 PM)
IR means Image Retention, plasma lingo for some temporarily etched image due to difference in phosphor aging.
a) Not so obvious for my case. Maybe coz my viewing area is quite dimly lit; warm white 25W Philip flourescent for living area. Also, did you remove 1 layer or 2 layers of the plastic film from the screen? You are supposed to only remove one layer.

b) IR was pretty obvious, but after switching on orbiter mode and reduce brightness/contrast, it has almost eliminated IR, save for the menu area.
c) This one I am not sure yet on the service/repair side. But those who handle info side sure KO big time.
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a) Damn, i removed all plastic film ..... doh.gif

b) what is the brightness / contrast settings that u r using bro? mind to share? I had set mine to 60 for both ..

Thanks


Added on October 7, 2008, 8:26 am
QUOTE(bmipp @ Oct 7 2008, 12:55 AM)
I think the PG6000 is slightly different from our PG60UR here. The PG6000 has 4 HDMI v1.3 ports compare to 3 nos. for PG60UR, plus they have the ISF calibrated settings ...

That said, I think the panel and the basic technology behind these two models are the same, so for anyone who is looking for PG60UR, the avs forum is a good place to start.

Yup, they talked about the 50" one a lot. There is another avs thread dedicated for the newer 32" model ... I am kind of waiting for it in malaysia, to replace my LCD ... brows.gif My friend working in UK told me that product is very hot there, often out of stock ..

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post Oct 7 2008, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Oct 7 2008, 10:10 AM)
slk5538,
I dunno whether my setting is applicable to your environment or not coz you had said that you have a lot of reflections, meaning your environment is quite bright.

But anyway, my setting is

TV : brightness=30  contrast=50  (this setting will appear dim to most people as I want to protect my baby girl's eyes)
Component1 : brightness=51 contrast=60
HDMI1 : brightness=40 contrast=60
After the 200hours burn-in period is up, I will revise things upward again. icon_rolleyes.gif  Now only done abt 100hours.
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Thanks bro,

BTW, if you access the service menu, do notice that there is an item labeled PTT, that is the total used hours of your set.
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post Oct 8 2008, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(vex @ Oct 8 2008, 01:33 PM)
pv80 nice ah ? me now struggle on pv80 and pg60 ~ pv80 got free gift + 5 year warranty~ but most of the review say pg60 got better performance and i like the DIVX player on the usb port ~
how ah~~~ ?
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One thing for sure, LG customer service sxxks big time ...

BTW, don't believe in review too much, the best thing is to go to the store and have them line up the two models side by side with the same fed to do a comparison your self.

Also, if your are reading some foreign forum, make sure that you are not reading reviews about PG60D, which is different from the PG60UR available in local market
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post Oct 9 2008, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 8 2008, 04:24 PM)
OMG laser tv is better than plasma/lcd and less cost to do. will be 50% cheaper than those two tech. how trueee is this =.=
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Are you referring to the Mitsubishi laser TV? I don't know if it is going to be 50% cheaper than plasma/LCD, but it sure ain't slim tv. The 65" model is approx 270mm thick w/o stand.

BTW, do you mind to share where did you learn that is 50% cheaper. I think there are quite a few who are interested in this tv also. TQ
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post Oct 9 2008, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 9 2008, 12:09 PM)
you can go onto youtube and search for 'laser tv'. the developer themself said its alot cheaper to make a laser tv than plasma/lcd and the price would be 50% of a plasma/lcd. OLED tv is also another type which will replace lcd but they use printed organic. as you know organic are very fresh material and has never been added any additives so may cause those organic to rot and very sensitive towards water. imagine u place them in the airconditioned room =)
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Thanks for the info on laser tv.

I think sony had already introduced OLED earlier this year .... it is a small screen tv but the price is like sweat.gif . I guess any decent size OLED tv if introduce now is going to cost a fortune and many blink.gif shocking.gif shakehead.gif ... lets wait a few more years for the OLED to drop, for the time being, PLASMA/LCD is good enough rclxms.gif
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post Oct 13 2008, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(skyfcmy @ Oct 12 2008, 03:30 AM)
Gents

Just to share,

Pana 42 PV80 / 8 really impressed me before but after compare side by side with LG 42 PG60UR I noticed that Panny somewhere not as dark as LG when
playing DVDs or Astro, this LG provide sharper image I couldnt believe it is LG, I did ask the Sales Person to swap the Video cable just incase different cable perfom
differently. You really need to compare and see which one is more suit your eyes.

Anyone notice this please share too. I am wondering is that Panny having problem  hmm.gif
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Don't worry, i thick what you noticed is what most ppl will notice if they lined up the panels side by side for a comparison. Like i had posted earlier, i did the comparison between the Panny PV80, PV800 and the PG60. PQ of the PV800 was the most impressive (PV800 is a full HD model), but PG60 came very close to it. IMHO, PQ of PG60 is way better than the PV80.

If you still have doubt, i suggest you go to other shop to do another round of comparison.
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post Oct 13 2008, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Oct 13 2008, 12:08 PM)
32" from 10ft? no difference between Spidey on Blu-ray than on RTM2 !!  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  therefore, think carefully when wasting RM1500 for a BD player for example!
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Wrong bro ... spidey on BD is wide screen ... TV2 gives you 4:3 tongue.gif
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post Oct 14 2008, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(skyfcmy @ Oct 14 2008, 10:53 AM)
I think you mention full HD model PY800 right.
Are you using LG ?


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LG 42PG60UR selling cheapest  I saw is RM3700 3 Years warranty.
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Yup, its the full HD model PY800, my mistake, sorry blush.gif really fanstatic PQ. too bad it is beyond my budget

I am using LG. Anything to share?

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post Oct 16 2008, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(skyfcmy @ Oct 14 2008, 11:14 AM)
Hows the THX cinema mode ? Any big difference since I donno got this feature during my visit to the shop.
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Our bolehland PG60 is PG60UR, which is different than the PG60D available in the North American market. THX Cinema mode is only available in PG60D. It is basically a preset colour mode which carries THX certification.

The Cinema colour mode is available in PG60UR without THX certification. I read in some forums (forget which one already) that it gives the same result, only differece is LG wanna sell PG60UR cheaper therefore they decided to take away the THX certification.

However, i doubt it is true ...... PG60D uses 1080p panel, PG60UR uses 720p panel, so i don't thing the same setting will gives you the same result.

Anyway, the CInema mode in PG60UR actually gives you a warmer colour compare to other present colour mode, which I don't really like. I custome set the colour in my set.
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post Oct 16 2008, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(bmipp @ Oct 15 2008, 04:56 PM)
Sony Bravia are with 1366 x 768. Also same for Sharp. I guess it's due to the panel.Correct me if i'm wrong. wink.gif
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I think welwitchia is referring to Panny's Plasma Panel. HD ready LCD TV would have 1366 x 768 resolution, wheither it is SONY, SHARP, PANASONIC, SAMSUNG, LG, JVC, PHILIPS, HAIER and ....... anybody care to continue with the list? tongue.gif


Added on October 16, 2008, 11:51 am
QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 16 2008, 10:41 AM)
lolzzzzz.. HP also have display port monitor 24inches already cost rm12k. now u wan to talk about Apple product with display port? lolzzzzzz!! i wait u buy one and show us all ok. as soon as possible remember once u buy take picture and post here!! and Apple saying hdmi cannot give 1080p to its beyond 30'?? how come they so useless?? haha ps4 and xbox 720?? ps3 and xbox360 these few years only start raising and good games start coming in u want ps4 and xbox720 already? nevermind if u can wait for at least another 10years. that time will be old uncle playing next-gen console.  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Yup, totally on your side. Today's technologies for today's world, tomorrow technologies for tomorrow .. If keep waiting for future tech than everyone would still using B&W CRT TV whistling.gif

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post Oct 17 2008, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(chanlman @ Oct 16 2008, 08:04 PM)
FULL HD 1080p on 32 inch? is the panel also 1366 x 768?

correct me... I thought 1080p will be best viewed on panel resolution of 1080 height. right?
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hmm.gif don't really get what you mean lei ... 1080 refers to the vertical resolution of the panel, not some kind of physical measurement such as inches, cm or ...

As long as the manufacturer has the technology to squeez 1080 lines of vertical pixels and 1920 lines of horizontal pixels into their panel, then it is a Full HD panel. That is, if they can fit that resolutions into a 20" panel, then that panel is Full HD.

correct me if i am worng


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post Oct 17 2008, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(vex @ Oct 17 2008, 01:18 PM)
er ... bro, OLED and LED tak sama technology leh ...
LED here is use as back light.
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Yup, while OLED panels remain very expensive in the near future, LCD panels with LED back lighting should be competatively priced with current LCD panels. I think all higher end LCD panels will adopt LED back lighting in the very near future.
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post Oct 18 2008, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 17 2008, 04:04 PM)
brother.. latest generation plasma still have burn-ins but very very minimal already. plasma has 0.01response time which is good for gaming but if u really really dont want burn-ins and image retention then i suggest u just get LCD. but again.. plasma burn in is already very very minimal..
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Are we talking about burn-in or image retention? I tot major plasma producers already claim that burn in won't happen in the newer generations plasma?

hmm.gif are these producers hiding something from us, the consumer here?

Anyway, if you know of someone who had burn-in in their plasma then mind to share under wat conditions the burn in sets in? game for hours, astro's logo etc?

Thanks

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post Oct 27 2008, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(aerobowl @ Oct 27 2008, 09:02 AM)
Panny 42PV80H/8H total pixels are 1024x768
but isnt that is 4:3 ?
(16:9 by right is 1366x768)
izzit typo or it is design that way?
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1024x768 is mainstream panel resolution for 42" HD Ready Plasma TV

1366x768 is mainstream panel resolution for HD Ready LCD TV

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post Oct 28 2008, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(99below0 @ Oct 28 2008, 04:00 PM)
The thing is... Plasma TVs should be transported upright, never sideways. You do NOT want to put stress on that large 42" plasma glass and subject it to all the bumps of a road. If you accidentally crack that glass, no 5-year warranty is going to cover it.

Better to pay a bit extra and get the seller to transport to your house. If they break it on the way, you can ask them for a new one. You break it yourself...  cry.gif
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Not only that you might accidentally crack the panel, but those tiny cells are filled with gases. If you lay it down, it is going to affect the cells.

I seen it with my own eyes. One plasma transported like sleeping beauty, and the plasma remained as sleeping beauty, just couldn't turn it on. Have to send back to the manufacturer, luckily they still can do something about it.

DON'T EVER TRANSPORT YOUR PLASMA SIDEWAYS
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post Nov 22 2008, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Nov 21 2008, 03:20 PM)
Market price update for Panny PV80H is RM3,350 in Kuching.

Really dropping like hell......New model is approaching soon.
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Price War. and Samsung 42" 410 Plasma at RM 3,050 in Kuching. BTW, may i know which shop you normally visit? I guess is one of these three .. S**** H**, H** Electrical, K** S****, .. am i rite? brows.gif

Other shops that could possibly match their offerings may include G***** M******.


Added on November 22, 2008, 8:15 am
QUOTE(robinlim @ Nov 21 2008, 04:56 PM)
Desa HT is selling at RM 3599
still couldn't match the RM3350 in Kuching sweat.gif
How come the selling price at big city is still more expensive than small city? doh.gif
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Sometimes when you go to a shop and be their customer long enough, they just give you this special price ..

I got my LG 42PG60 on 3.6.08 for RM 4,100.00 only, cheap? HSL listed the unit at 4,899 2~3 weeks later

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