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Home Theatre LCD and Plasma TV Discussion Thread | V3, Which is right for you?
Home Theatre LCD and Plasma TV Discussion Thread | V3, Which is right for you?
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Jan 7 2009, 09:53 AM
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PM and see.. I'm not technical just read about HDTV for a long time now.. hehehe!
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Jan 10 2009, 08:39 PM
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good to know so many plasma followers...
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Jan 10 2009, 08:43 PM
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korean sammy and LG ok la..
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Jan 10 2009, 09:30 PM
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Jan 11 2009, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE(ic-klass @ Jan 11 2009, 01:30 AM) ??? Dude, get your fact right!!. Kuros won almost every award in flat tv for PQ - even the entry 428, and it still 1024x768! |
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Jan 11 2009, 12:18 PM
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your PV80 is 42inch 1024x768 native ? or is this 50inch 1366x768?
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Jan 11 2009, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(phat_newbie @ Jan 11 2009, 12:47 PM) 42" with native 1024x768 only liddat no point to drive it with anything higher.. I think if you use 1024x768 (VGA standard) it'll look awkward cos it's stretched sideways in the plasma (1024x76 but widescreen 16x9).. maybe you need to use your PC software player to correct the aspect ratio.. |
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Jan 11 2009, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE(phat_newbie @ Jan 11 2009, 02:35 PM) Yeah, it does look awkward. Its kinda like squished a little. Ah well, it's ok I guess coz my laptop is not my primary usage to be hooked up with my PV80 anyway. Thanks for the prompt response. FYI, I've searched high and low for a software to tweak this ratio aspect and also updated the video driver on my laptop oredi but still no results. even in VLC or Media player classic there are controls to stretch the screen.. |
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Jan 11 2009, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE(ic-klass @ Jan 11 2009, 04:52 PM) you call those awards ar? what hi fi mag? home cinema choice mag LOL... UK mags are not the authority in Video, they dunno nuts about Hi-def Videos source and Tvs..leave it to the americans they define HD..besides those are 2007 ratings.. LOL now already 2009... what's top at that time may not even be good now.. anyway, even this 428 is called Kuro, it's a 1024x768 panel.. sorry but after having used this kind of Plasma resolution for over 3years, it's not a serious resolution for watching HD video.. kuro or not doesn't matter. but of coz if you say this 428 is very good for astro and DVD I wouldn't argue.. but then again for 6.5k I rather have a 50 inch 80series Panasonic plasma with 1366x768 resolution.. now that would be a HD capable panel. |
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Jan 11 2009, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(ic-klass @ Jan 11 2009, 08:27 PM) Sorry if i jump on ur nerve. Video Testing is more objective than Audio, the fact that UK video mags still use the audiophile methodology of review (i.e. trust those golden ears or in this case golden eyes) shows that they assume videophiles are uninformed fools. if you want to read good video reviews, you should browse thro US mags like Home Theater, Home Entertainment, Sound and Vision, Widescreen review etc.Yes, those are magazines reviews (now they have online version). You want to know why i go for magazines rather than those "institutions" that you so called "have the authority". It simply because it cater for the mass opinions through usage and reviews in one personal home/experience. It gave you the "normal user" perspective, having experience the product. It uses products that the masses like u and me would use, in a normal environment - not in some dark room with special cable and google.!! To say that they in UK doesnt know squat about hi-def Video source is like saying YOU are a FOOL. And yes, i was sceptical when i first knew about Kuro being 1024x768. But after i demoed it and compared my personal experince with other people opinion/input (online mag being the cheapest/fastest source now), I concured that even with that hated resolution of yours, it still the BEST Flat TV outhere - not to mention the latest 9th gens. You may be have a bad experience with that kind of resolution - but hey mind sharing what model lasma u used for 3 years? Maybe i can google its past review. But to say that all those people in the mags are putting rubbish into their mags?? Well i let other be the judge of your statement. I've nothings again the Yanks. I like some of the reviews, but the little differences e.g: voltage ( and they drive on the right side of the road) put me off a bit. Maybe my upbringing was more UK-oriented ( and I know they make/have high standard for AV, mind you), hence I like to source for UK reviews. Coming back to the point you made - Yes, that was 2007/2008 award. Why did i point u to that.. It simply because now the price of Kuro is "affordable" and "competitive". No point talking about the best product if it cost a bomb, right?? And we, malaysian has the opputunity to get it - somewhere else in this world ppl already enjoying the 9th gen Kuro and now talking about the 10th gens. You see how lucky we are.. And before I forget, if you bought a TOP product, no matter if it is already past 2-3 years - you'll find it better than the "latest" average. Then again we need to compare Apple v. Apple.. To suggest some one tho choose a 50pv80 over a 428xg is totally up to their choice. The mags reviews/awards are just guidences. At the end you still need to trust ur eyes and ears. p/s: and if you wanna have a peek at the Yanks review on Kuro, be may guest...you can google it ( i'm sure a self-confess-high-tech guy like you would have no problem with google.. Who would review a TV professionally without doing a proper Calibration (and some of those us mags actually perform ISF calibrations on those TVs that they review). I really dunno how you can comment so much about TVs when you don't even use HD sources or have a proper HDTV with at least 1280x720 pixels ... saying the 1024x768 kuro is best based on DVD and Astro source.. sure I agree with you but when you move to HD, the scenario changes... even the best SD TV means little when upgrading to HD based source. sorry I can't really take these comments seriously.. until you upgrade your equipment to be able to display HD and use HD sources like Blu-rays and even MKVs. no point arguing about how good the sound system is when you are only using FM radio.. as for liking yanks or not, nothing to choose as far as Video is concerned..they defined the current ATSC HDTV standard and churn out reference Movies.. so it's only natural to follow the standard bearer.. |
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Jan 12 2009, 02:08 PM
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"First I thought you ask me to point out what "award" Kuro had won in the western market, hence the pasted link.
(if you are asking for a US base, well i know u can google it.) To say that one has to own everything in order to give comment, means that one has to be filthy rich like you. If the review hence the method of testing isnt done properly and give doubts - then i think you can summit your complaints to the editor, coz i know, their mags has many follower around the world - and these ppl should thank you for it. Of coz the yanks like to invent everything and a step ahead in the tech world. But to dismissed reviews from the other side of the atlantic is totally immature - just because all the best studio are there, for many reasons. The european also has their technical advantages over the yanks - if you know what i mean." ok, my bad, when I said western, I guess brits also western, maybe should be more specific to "class leading" reviews like from american mags/publications. as for owning everything to give comment, I wouldn't go so far to say that, but how can you comment about PQ when you only use SD?? hence why I brought up the FM radio analogy on the sound system.. your source is not Hi-def to know what is good enuf or not.. those using Blu-rays and Hi-def video files (yes, a few of them are in this forum) will know that 1024x768 is insufficient to display HD content, hence why they upgrade to fullHD LCD or 720p projectors or 1366x768 Kuros/plasmas etc when they want to watch their Hidef sources. and going Hi-def doesn't mean you need to be rich.. a 720p projector starts over 3k (can call HTKAKI for an optoma PROJ) ... fullHD 40inch LCD 4-5k 1366x768 50inch plasmas 5-6k "Yap, true I dont have a emm let me put it this way.."I really dunno how you can comment so much about TVs when you don't even use HD sources or have a proper HDTV with at least 1280x720 pixels ...". All i shared here are based on my personal eyes viewing and reading from here and there. and i certainly dont claim to be expert in any of these field. To me, numbers can be one thing or many, but, to see/hear the quality and appreciate it is another thing." before we talk about Quality, the resolution need to be sufficient like 720p min, or else how can you concentrate on PQ when you keep getting reminded of seeing pixel sturcture on a lower rez Plasma at normal viewing distances like 6-8ft away. (of cos moving from 1366x768 42-50inch TV to 1920x1080p gets more subjective at these normal 6-8ft difference with 2020 vision, but that's another story) "And on you last comment.. "no point arguing about how good the sound system is when you are only using FM radio.." - you hav got to be joking!! is true wat, why argue about Picture quality when you are not using HD source. sorry but BD is 6x more detail than SD, SD 720x480 DVDs or even R2 720x576 dvds doesn't max out a 1024x768 Kuro but using Hidef sources like BD and 720p MKVs etc will more than reveal the weaknesses of a lower resolution panel. And one last thing that irked me the most, is you trying to discredit all the hardwork and done by the ppl in the AV magazines tp give us the consumer a "sneak-peek" before buying a produc; just because u have a HD/Full HD display and probably use the HD/Full HD sources (like for few hours or may be week) playing ur PS3 and BR disc; make u an expert (above the ppl who did the testing day-in-day-out) nothing to discredit, but between choosing "good" brit magazine and the best (US based reviews and also AVS forums), I would prefer to use the best as reference to make my informed judgement. and having over 100 blu-rays before BD won the format war i.e JAn08 and over few terabytes of HD movies in HDD currently I'm sure I have enough source references to make my video comments.. Well let me be the first to "elect" you as our forum expert in PQ/HD/full HD (maybe later u can apply for jobs at those AV mags,..and put it in your CV "I have Full HD display and used Full HD source to play PS3 and watch BR movies.." Let me know when they call for an interview... "don't worry, I'm in the industry making commercial LED displays, no need to be reviewer to know what I want in my HT displays" I dunno what u mean better here - So i assumed its the PQ since we are in the plasma/lcd display. Unless you meant it to be something else - like extra connection/usb/etc.. you can't argue about PQ when the resolution is insufficient to support minimum HD standard 1280x720p. the panel is already throwing away critical video source information like resolution, and still want to talk about other PQ attributes like color/contrast etc??? |
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Jan 12 2009, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(ic-klass @ Jan 12 2009, 02:53 PM) ok i accepted your "bad" that leads to this firery discussion. i agree with you that full HD give better resolution than HD - and noticeable within certain viewing distance. But, i have to disagree with higher number always give better PQ. and believed me when i say i do have experience BD and Full HD materials/display, despite my "aging" setup. The reason my setup is like that bcoz that the most one i use for our SD braodcast - for my kids to tune to Ceria and carton network, etc..I do have a Full hd setup to enjoy the HD materials, but, why reveals here - To assume one doesnt know the diff between HD and full HD just because one is using SD is really lame..I let my previous comments and answer to our forumer Q's be the judge wether i'm qualified or not - doesnt really bother me at all. and yes Western is the opposite of Eastern if you havent realised yet. Funny you are so deep in tech, and yet dunno east,west,north,south - maybe need someone to point it out to u ehh.. When you look back at my previous posting, not once did i mentioned SD/HD is better that Full HD right??. I only stressing that some HD/"not so HD" unit do have good reviews and beats its full hd counterparts in term of overall PQ - now you tell me what's wrong with this. I guess it all depend how many pixel u wanna see as opposed to how good and real the image and colour reproduction, and how smooth and life-like the movement of the subject is, and how many other components and software render these input and later displayed it play a major role - that's what i meant number is nummber, PQ is diff. If you dont agree get two or three set together and demo it with the same source and setting - side by side (plasma v plasma, lcd v lcd). Then you realised a full hd sony will give different PQ to what a full HD samsung or LG or phillips or ..what else ?? in term of colour saturation, real red and green, motion, details, etc... If you understand these, then i rest my case. If you dont, then ...i duont really care - as what the other forumer said " its your eyes and money.." Added on January 12, 2009, 2:58 pm Yes, i knew i heard bout the Buzz problem somewhere. Hope u enjoying your "new" display now . words and different view points lead to "fiery" discussion, but anyway it's just a discussion... but the Kuro 428 is really top range setup for SD (like DVDs and Astro etc) and I believe those european awards are given merit based on reviews on SD sources at that time (early to mid 07 maybe?) however this resolution, I feel, maybe a tad lacking when all those HD pixels from the source are wasted/not displayed on screen (even 720p resolution sources).. anyway, cheers! |
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Jan 13 2009, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE(slk5538 @ Jan 13 2009, 08:08 AM) Glad to see peace between you ar188, and you ic-klass. Really enjoy reading your postings ... hmm, not that i enjoy seeing the war between 2 forumers, but you guys seems so knowledgeable, and i think most ppl would benefit from reading the few postings from both of you earlier ... hehe sometimes discussion is fiery..but at the end just discussion.. later can go tehtarik wan.. I had never compare a BD sources on Full HD Plasma and 42" 428 b4 ... after reading your posts, feel really like to go to shop try ask them to try for me Anyway, cheers anyway, some examples of TV reviews which I think are quite comprehensive and objective.. from 2 main US mags, like sound & vision and Home theater.. http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFi...S&V_PRO-111.pdf http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFi...ter_PRO-111.pdf |
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Jan 15 2009, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Jan 15 2009, 06:01 PM) Everything must support this color ranges to get the benefits. The source (i.e. movies), receiver, and display must support it. But when the source is not, then no point. used to think like this, but not anymore.. soon will have many "source" with upscaling 48bit soon from BD.. so better to start getting Video equipment with this high video bandwidth support..just like 480p DVDs still benefit from upscaling to 720p or 1080p DVD player + 720p or 1080p TV... even though the recorded media is only 720x480.. |
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Jan 15 2009, 07:06 PM
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hehe! smart.. future proofing..
hope they don't go and make some HDMI1.5 or something later.. haha! |
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Jan 15 2009, 07:25 PM
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where';s the Wireless HDMI?
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Jan 16 2009, 04:07 PM
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I wonder at what size?? if just 40-50inches 21:9 (or 2.35:1) why bother.. too small anyways.. need around 60-70inches or even >100inches projector to have that Scope 2.35:1 effect..
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Jan 16 2009, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jan 16 2009, 04:31 PM) Taukeh, it was mentioned there : Oh, missed that..Philips may have the answer to your prayers. Arriving this spring, the electronics giant will being offering its "Cinema 21:9" LCD TVs. Starting with its 56 inch offering, the elongated Cinema TVs will have a native aspect ratio of 21:9. This allows for films to be viewed in their "natural" state: 2.39:1/2.40:1 with no letterbox formatting. Sure, this is great news for movie buffs, but what about watching football or American Idol? According to the press release, "Using highly advanced formatting technology, regular 16:9 content from sources such as TV broadcasts and games consoles is also adapted to fill the 21:9 screen." Still a bit small hor? 56inch 2.35:1 is very small.. |
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Jan 17 2009, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jan 17 2009, 09:04 AM) can't differentiate 720p and 1080p or panels to panels? get your eyes checked. this one UK report mah.. maybe here we have superior vision genetics? Quote from Neowin http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11...aste-money.html |
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Jan 17 2009, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE(slk5538 @ Jan 17 2009, 08:03 AM) Depends on personal taste la, and i think if we see more TV of this aspect ratio or even one day this become mainstream like the 16:9, then ppl can accept already. dun think so leh.. 16:9 is HDTV standard so it become standard for tv lor (like those using digital video cameras etc),I remember when SHARP introduced the 16:9 TV to the local market in the early 90's, many ppl commented the TV looks weird, and of coz, many say cool oso. scope 2.35:1 is one of the movie formats.. so not really a standard for Tvs, maybe for projectors.. my 2cents hehe! |
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