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ham_revilo
post Feb 28 2009, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(efilah @ Feb 28 2009, 02:54 PM)
from my experience,opening my elite 330 casing will significantly reduce the all systems temp.my e8400 stock voltage, from 55C idle down to 48-50C idle. =.="
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wow. 48-50 idle is still quite high for 45nm proc bro

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post Mar 1 2009, 05:00 AM

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QUOTE(deejay220989 @ Feb 28 2009, 11:20 PM)
Just now..I removed one of my Cooler Master 90CFM fans to replace the screws with rubber screws, and I realized that the fan is kinda oily/greasy..

Any idea why is it greasy??

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greasy i think its due to the exposure of greasy/oily enviroment. your pc is place near to your kitchen or anything that cause greasy stuff?

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post Mar 1 2009, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(deejay220989 @ Mar 1 2009, 06:54 AM)
I'm just afraid of the damn pushpins..I have terrible experiences with the Intel stock cooler..now I'm running my Q6600 with stock cooler, 50C at idle  sad.gif
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CCF's push pin is very much easier to remove and install compare to intel's push pins. Intel's one need to use a screw driver and twist it while CCF doesnt

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post Mar 1 2009, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(deejay220989 @ Mar 1 2009, 06:10 PM)
You only need to use the screw when removing the HSF. I've got no problems with removing..only problems with fixing it..

Maybe I've already fixed it correctly..but somehow my temps are still at 50C at idle!!
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50c on idle is quite normal for 65nm proc. besides that, its a quddie. my previous e6550 on idle would be around 45+/- smile.gif

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QUOTE(deejay220989 @ Mar 1 2009, 07:23 PM)
I have read lots of threads regarding this matter and most ppl say that 50C is high at idle. Most of them get below 40C  cry.gif
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below 40c with intel stock hsf? its rare to see that in malaysia tongue.gif

50c might be a lil high but still for me its quite normal for intel hsf. i think its time for you to change HSF brows.gif

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post Mar 3 2009, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 3 2009, 01:51 PM)
hmm.....aint that sunbeam CCF is the best now?....and there's TITAN FENRIR recently that just defeated sunbeam CCF (i refered to frostytech)
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not exactly the best. they are some still claiming that TRUE is still the best. especially on i7 proc.

btw, Titan TTC-NK85TZ which is now top of the chart in frostytech is also using the same technology as CCF (4 HDT pipes). so does Spire Thermax II which is just right below CCF

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QUOTE(iBenQ @ Mar 3 2009, 04:50 PM)
CCF is a lol... those that buy CCF are mostly tricked by frostytech HAHAHAHAHAHA
they are happy that their CCF cools their Core2Duo ALOT, try running them on quaddies and i7 at high voltage and speed c la

there was a user last time using q9450 @ 4ghz, he used ccf, and guess what's his temp, 88c during load...
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yup, indeed ccf couldnt handle i7 and those quad cores proc but for now CCF is still a worth buying HSF. for price vs performance, CCF and other HSF like xigmatek is still one of the best option for budget user. it comes with a reasonable cfm fan unlike TRUE. TRUE is certainly still a champ but with a hefty price tag. not to mention CCF comes with tx2 and a fan controller.

in the end, its up to the budget of the user. the more budget u have the more choices you have smile.gif


QUOTE(tot31 @ Mar 3 2009, 04:59 PM)
TRUE is definitely the best for i7. I've used CCF and just changed to TRUE120. The temp difference between those two are huge. Here are the proofs. All the tests were done in a control environment where the aircond temperature was set to 23C in a closed 8 x 10 ft room and the ambient temperature was 25C (taken from my Raytek hand held temperature probe, model Raynger ST2L ).  Both HSFs were applied with Tuniq TX2. Prim95 9 (small fft) was used to make all 4 cores of the i7 load to 100%. All the temps were taken after running prime95 for an hour. I took the maximum value temp readings monitored by Real Temp 3.0. I didn't bother to take the idle temperatures for all the cores as the 100% load temperatures across all the 4 cores were the objective in these tests. In addtion I also ran LinX 0.5.6 as this application produce more heat than prime95.

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From the summary above running LinX, TRUE beats CCF in average of 7.5C.

Conclusion, I was a fool on believing frostytech. I should have bought TRUE120 in the first place.
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thanks for the brief and informative review bro. looks like CCF is totally out of the league when its comes to i7 wink.gif

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post Mar 4 2009, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(iBenQ @ Mar 4 2009, 06:58 PM)
hdt is actually better than TRUE's design... TRUE, or most thermalright coolers, ARENT flat... dats y people resort to lapping it... google it and u will c, many complain TRUE didn't do a good finishing job on the base... but jz imagine, TRUE not yet lapped oredi pwn ccf, wat more when its lapped biggrin.gif
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iinm there is a reason behind the base of TR heatsink. some claim its to fit the shape of the proc IHS. if u notice, proc IHS is not flat either. but im not sure whether its proven or not

and iirc, lapped and un-lapped TRUE results doesnt differ much smile.gif

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post Mar 5 2009, 12:38 AM

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lapping proc imo its dangerous to use the wet method. if a small drop of water slip into the circuit and not was not dried properly then you will end up with a dead proc laugh.gif

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post Mar 5 2009, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(hackcremo @ Mar 5 2009, 01:13 AM)
guys...which shop around KL sell delta or panaflo high CFM fan..?? before this, i try finding it at jalan pasar..but no shop sell those item..they sell only low CFM one..
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look for AllnGap in garage sales. he is the sifu of fans laugh.gif

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post Mar 20 2009, 11:01 PM

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i heard this cooler is also the same with ccf right? same oem hmm.gif
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post Mar 21 2009, 01:08 AM

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afaik, the three top cooler in frostytech look alike smile.gif

imo most probably from the same OEM. btw, how do you mount your cooler? same bracket as CCF? if not then i might be mistaken laugh.gif

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post Mar 21 2009, 02:03 AM

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QUOTE(hilmiangah @ Mar 21 2009, 01:53 AM)
the bracket is different.

this cooler use a thumbscrew to tighten it believe it or not.
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my bad then sweat.gif

the mounting kit looks something like TR kits. easy to install and doesnt takes up space smile.gif

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post Apr 4 2009, 02:51 AM

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QUOTE(iBenQ @ Apr 4 2009, 02:00 AM)
using cm690 with high flow fans, WITHOUT god damn filters... took me 1 month+ to notice traces of dust biggrin.gif... only place fitted with filter is the front intake... bottom and side i totally remove those filters since they were annoying and cut so much airflow biggrin.gif
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what i use to do is to raise the fan from the filter. go hardware shops and get some extra long screws and nuts (if u need it) smile.gif

that would do the trick biggrin.gif

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post Apr 5 2009, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(deejay220989 @ Apr 4 2009, 08:30 AM)
Lol..I'm having the same problem with iBenQ too..using CM690 + CM 90CFM fans..

I don't understand what you meant by 'raise the fan from the filter' ><

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Err..do you mean you fix the fan far from the filter?
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QUOTE(ganabathi @ Apr 4 2009, 09:17 AM)
do u think its effective? i can see the long screws function here... mayb any pic can help  smile.gif
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ini dia pictar laugh.gif
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look at the bottom fan smile.gif

QUOTE(iBenQ @ Apr 4 2009, 09:45 AM)
hmmm... that could work too, my solution was remove the filter hahaha, but this method works too, good for those that still wanna have filters biggrin.gif
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for me, filter is a must tongue.gif i think most of us need it. even in a very clean room, still after a while, the dust will accumulate smile.gif

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post Apr 6 2009, 05:21 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 6 2009, 04:45 AM)
but you only did it on the bottom fan...how bout the ones in front? they are all still being blocked by the filters arent they?

>< so jealous to see ppl having such nice casings....i cant change mine coz i need a small mid tower...i tend to carry my PC back to KL from my hostel pretty often...huhuhu
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i do it on the bottom, back and top. but top cannot see coz i made two holes to put my fan higher up so have more room in the casing tongue.gif

the front cannot do coz no space also.

dont need jealous. just buy sunbeamtech lan party bag. problem solve laugh.gif

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post Apr 14 2009, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Apr 14 2009, 06:40 PM)
I'm not exactly having a problem with temperature, so I guess this is my best topic to post since I don't want to open a redundant topic just for a simple question, and there seems to be no recommendation thread.

Anyway, I'm finally upgrading my computer to a Core 2 Duo E8400 from a P4, and I'm planning to get a EP45-UD3R. Problem is, I'm undecided on the cooling. Take note that I bought a E8400 OEM so it does not come with stock cooler, so buying that is RM30 I think over at garage sales.

I am trying to budget it as cheap as possible, but also not too cheap that it makes barely any difference from Intel's stock cooler. CCF seems value for money at RM160 for it's performance and all, but I see the size and I feel like it's an overkill, since I'll probably do only a minor overclock, probably to 3.6ghz or something.

From what I've been reading around last night and today, the impression that I got of the decent contenders for my choice are:

Xigmatek HDT-SD963 - RM90
CM Hyper 212 - RM125
Xigmatek Red Scorpion - RM135
CM Hyper N520 - RM145

I also read about some DeepCool ones too, but I'm unsure of which exact models are the ones you pros are talking about.

So... my question is... which is worth getting for price:performance ratio among price range RM80-RM140 or so?

Thanks in advance biggrin.gif
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get Red Scorpion and a TX2 for around RM20 +/- if your budget allows. if not i think S963 with TX2 is also an alternative. if you are getting xiggie, my advise is, get a good TIM as xiggie's one sucks wink.gif

btw, where is xigmatek S964?

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post Apr 15 2009, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Apr 14 2009, 07:44 PM)
I'm glad I asked then. Thanks for the info.
From reviews they seem decent, but I feel that Xigmatek's offerings are more value for money based on their performance - maybe because Xigmatek not as famous brand-wise compared to CM.
Thanks for the info on Xig's TIM too, yeah I think I can afford TX2 tongue.gif S964 is RM130 or so I believe, but I read that Red Scorpion > S964 for around the same price bracket, so I didn't include it in my candidates.

Seems like both of you recommended Red Scorpion for this price bracket so I think I'll go for that. When I do get it all done I'll post with my results of how it goes too =D

Thanks again!
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one more thing, i forgot to include the SS kit laugh.gif SS kit its optional but i think its good for long term use as it prevent mobo bent smile.gif so after all, its not that really cheap eh laugh.gif RS + TX2 + SSkit = should be around RM180

S964 is rather a low profile cooler with good performance, the difference compared to RS wouldnt be much but if you need a smaller cooler, then S964 is the way to go. but if size is not an issue, then RS ftw laugh.gif

and also, for cooler, dont trust brand. branded cooler are either sucky or expensive. ASUS fancy cooler for example tongue.gif

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QUOTE(shinjun @ Apr 15 2009, 12:56 AM)
How about a ThermalRight then? brows.gif
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TR is a very good cooler but with a hefty price tag. thats why i said sucky or expensive. TR fall in the expensive category tongue.gif

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QUOTE(pl4tinum @ Apr 15 2009, 11:26 PM)
Hello guys i've got a problem regarding 3 HSF's for cooling a quadcore. Can any of you guys please give me your opinions based on personal experience?
The 3 of them are :
1) Thermalright IFX
2) Thermalright True 120
3) Coolermaster V8
Which one of these would be better for cooling a q6600. I would prefer that price was not figured into the equation just compare them based on performance. Thanks in advance.
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even i dont have those 3 hsf. but from what i know, TRUE is still one of the best on that list. especially on pull push config.

IFX is overrated. its expensive, huge and still cant beat TRUE.

V8 on the other hand, i would say just average. its not too bad but not too good either. but V8 is one of the best looking HSF brows.gif

try googling some review on those 3 hsf to give you a better idea on the results smile.gif

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