Back from my second driving lesson. Is it a must to press the clutch first before braking? Or we brake then only clutch? I'm quite confused as my instructor say clutch then brake, but some people at Yahoo! answers say you brake before you clutch.

This post has been edited by -Teddy-: Aug 22 2008, 11:06 PM

if u brake before clutch and the car completely stops then you mati engine. Also,if you press the clutch first,the car slightly slows down.So i would say clutch then brake

for day to day driving.... brake first then clutch.........



for driving school and JPJ test.... clutch first then brake....

for now...u practice the clutch first then brake....

once u got ur license, start getting used to the other way round....


just follow watever the instructor says...getting license is ur priority...

So clutch is a must before braking, meaning I should not break without pressing the clutch or else the engine will die? Thanks

clutch then brake so ur car wont mati enjin

depends on what suits u more..

i prefer clutch then braking when my car is slow..
when my car is fast,brake is priority..clutch when need to slow down n change gear

High Speed braking - brake first then clutch (reduce brake pad wear, engine braking applied

Low Speed braking - clutch first then brake (low speed RPM can't help engine braking)

brake first.... heel-n-toe... shifting down... continue braking at the same time...

what will break after clutch? clutch pedal?

mayb after he press the clutch pedal, it breaks apart...

LOL... hahaha.......

back to topic, for me, when i`m in "normal" driving mode, i`ll clutch 1st then break eh brake

if i`m in "sport" driving mode then i`ll break eh brake b4 changing gear

when u press ur clutch pedal it wont break eh you will lost ur engine breaking eh braking so more effort needed by break eh brake to slow down ur car

If you understand what the clutch is used for, then you will know when is it appropriate to brake first or clutch-in first. They should teach a little bit of these mechanical parts stuff in driving schools. In fact, my opinion is that a lot of driving schools and so-called 'driving instructors' out there are incompetent.

I would not advice you to get yourself used to clutch-in-then-brake all the time, as you would be removing the engine braking assistance in case of an emergency. Meaning, it would take you longer to stop and higher risk of your tires locking which means even longer to stop.

Despite my long reply, the correct way is to brake first, then clutch-in to avoid engine stalling when the rpm falls too low, usually just above your idling RPM (800-1000 RPM). When you're just starting out, it's always okay to clutch-in earlier as you're not used to driving a manual or the car.

Heel-and-toe and all that, you can save it for when you've finished your driving lesson and out of your Probationary period. Stick to the basics.

Good one.. learn to walk before you run.. in this case.. try to press ONE pedal with ONE foot before trying to press TWO pedals with ONE foot.. hahahaha..

Blip then drift it!!!

Phail driver.

Don't worry TS,everything comes natural.Just get your license and then after driving a manual for a few weeks,you will be a pro and car driving will feel like kacang.

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Added on August 22, 2008, 10:31 pmPhail driver.

Don't worry TS,everything comes natural.Just get your license and then after driving a manual for a few weeks,you will be a pro and car driving will feel like kacang.

Sometimes when I see driver with a "L" plate on it,I like to tailgate them close close and they will immediately freak out and accelerate faster.Really funny seeing their reaction.

This post has been edited by 779364: Aug 22 2008, 10:31 PM

So basically will brake then clutch kill the engine? Or as long as I do it fast, it will be fine? So basically the engine will only die if I brake until the car fully stops before I step the clutch?

My instructor says clutch then brake. If emergency, step both of them at the same time.

This post has been edited by -Teddy-: Aug 22 2008, 11:11 PM

clutch only when the car almost stall or change gear.

This post has been edited by N's: Aug 22 2008, 11:15 PM

Its better to brake and clutch later
Not necessary everytime have to clutch in then only brake

Brake, clutch in, shift lower gear, heel to throttle, clutch out...

Tip: You don't have to listen to your instructor to pass, as long as you don't bang anything, and you pay a fee to the tester (a must for malaysia).

depends on situation....

drive auto lah.... dun need headache...

Driving exam cannot use auto car mar. Clutch brake, brkae clutch doesn't matter now, just keep the engine running when stopped fully.

U do this while emergency, u wont get stop. U can try it by urself.

Oh my What I assume now is it doesn't matter to brake or clutch first, as long as you clutch before the car fully stops. Is that right?

yes, and no.

you still dont get it, ok..try it this way... drive at 50kmj then release ur accelerator pedal, dont touch anything else, see how fast ur car slow down

then repeat, drive at 50, release ur acc pedal but this time press your clutch pedal see how fast ur car slow down

compare both

still depends on road condition. whether the road is tilt or what..

This post has been edited by detomaso: Aug 24 2008, 05:26 PM

After you get your license 6 months, I'll teach you 'heel & toe'.

same concept if you ride motorcycle with clutch.

you failed driving BIG TIME, dude. You RELEASE UR GAS PEDAL to slow down, and it slows down faster with the CLUTCH ENGAGE, not with the CLUTCH PRESSED, because the engine actually help braking when you not pressing gas.

This post has been edited by victor_hoh: Aug 26 2008, 02:29 PM

yeah, we call this gear dragging.

or engine braking, something like that

its always brake first then clutch....

but for driving test anyhow can lah just make sure u pass the test

really funny la reading some of the replies here.

TS, the correct method of driving a manual is brake first, then clutch for higher speed breaking. Like the sifus here say, engine breaking will help slow down your car and reduce the break pad wear and tear.

for lower speed, can just clutch and break, but normally, after much practice in a manual car, you'll still do a break - clutch.

For emergency, i always wanted to try to just step on the break and leave the clutch on. I mean, when you really need to stop, there's no harm in stalling the engine rite? (wanted to try, but no guts to wreak my car lol. )

Big big mistake..most new cars have power assisted brakes not to mention your power steering.Once your engine stalls (mati engine) you have little or no control over you steering and some brakes harden up meaning you have to put more pressure on it to stop.Combine not being able to steer or brake in an emergency situation,i bet we wont hear from you ever again.

Try stalling your engine while comming down genting.

aiyar.. newbie driving mar... better clutch then brake, to make sure engine won't stalled... after that learn yourself.. next time u sure cucuk my back 1..

if step on clutch first, your car will be on free gear which is more dangerous.

newbie driving slow 1 mar.. if during his driving test, he go and press brake first if the speed become too slow for the engine, then the engine stalled then failed lor..... just for passing the exam, use clutch 1st then brake, to be safe since you are not driving fast...

as long as the car is above 20-30kmh use brake pedal only, even in top gear it wont stall, below 20-30 clutch in.

Thanks everyone for the guides. Damn JPJ off till 13 of October, no driving test whatsoever for now.

press clutch then brake so easier for u to shift gear later..but when in high speed just press brake first

in practical situation .. if you clutch the car in a moderate speed and press brake.. your tires will freeze so fast that you can skid and lost control of the car.. try doing brakes (but dont do until engine dead lol) first then when the speed comes down to reasonable speed .. clutch and change gears... it would be fine..

.. emm .. if u r getting driving license ... hmm .. you might not want to follow the practical procedure.. you know.. its like before marriage life and after marriage life LOL ... hahaha

u can consider changing your instructor...the easiest way is to ask your father to show you the proper braking.

i think,he do gets it.
well kid,yes,the car will only stall if u stops it at a very low speed,say,5-15kmh(depending on which gear you're on) w/o stepping on the clutch.

umm...i will list a few situations here to assist u in braking:
1. u're driving low speed,say 30-50kmh,and the expected stop point (say the traffic lights) is about 2-3car's distance.in this situation u can actually step on the clutch and no breaks or very little braking,let the car cruise and slow down by itself until about 1car distance ahead from the stop point then u apply more brakes to stop the car.

2. u're driving low speed,say 30-50kmh,and the expected stop point is kinda near,u can still apply clutch first and brake becaz that's easier for a newbie to handle the car (from being stalled) and especially to pass ur exam.but a better and safer way is still apply brake then only clutch.

3. u're driving on normal speed,say 50-80kmh,and the stop point is about 2-3car's distance,u can release your gas pedal,step on nothing and let the car cruise and slow down on its own until a close distance then apply your brakes.by this time,the situation should somewhat the same as 2.

4. u're driving on highspeed,say 80kmh above,and the stop point is about 2-3car's distance,step on your brakes and control the cruise speed,press on the clutch when the car almost stops/stalls.in this current situation,if u steps on your clutch first and then break is still not a big trouble,becaz the distance is still far ahead.but it will add to the brake pad's wear.(p/s:really not recommended especially for newbie)

5. u're driving on highspeed and the stop point is near. Dude,press on the break abit harder and if still enough time make a quick glance on your rear view mirror and side mirror and turn your steering if necessary.(beware:don't turn too much steering or elsee you'll skid.) turn ur steering in order to escape to side lanes for safer purposes.

NOTE: All these situations are for Zero Side Factors Assumptions. They are just some suggestions and opinions.Driving on the road is DANGEROUS and u must always expect the unexpected.Even when u're in situation 1.,some idiot who drove fast behind u might just cut into your front and make a sudden brake.u have to be calm and brake accordingly.

the most important thing i would say is to GET TO KNOW YOUR CAR WELL.and if possible always maintain it to it's best performance especially in braking part.

hope my post helps and wish u good luck in your exam.since it's in october maybe u should drive more with ur dad accompanying you and ask ur dad to teach u more about driving.

askar_lcy gave a very good explanation

TS, brake&clutch, clutch&brake, hardbraking depends on situation, as per told by askar_lcy.

TS, the purpose of clutch for manual transmission (car&motorcycle alike) is to engage&disengage the gear with the engine.

once u step on the clutch pedal, u feel the car "a little bit lighter". this is becoz the gear is "momentarily free" (i.e. not connected to engine).

for passing JPJ purpose, stick to clutch&brake method, coz u're not that fast anyway.

in emergency, better brake hard & clutch & lower the gears.
lower gear means from 5>4>3>2>1 if possible to induce engine braking.
let go the clutch so that the car will jerk. here, jerking = engine braking.

btw, goodluck in ur JPJ exam, cool down a abit tau!

Looks like your driving instructor is of the old school type who also taught my parents to depress the clutch pedal while braking!

Depressing the clutch while braking actually makes the car move faster (unless when about to come to a stop), as the engine doesn't get to help slow down the car through engine-braking anymore.

Only depress the clutch pedal when braking, if you intend to downshift to utilise engine-braking, or when it's about to come to a stop (engine dies off if you don't depress it).

i always press clutch before brake,

to reduce the muffle sound

Agree with this totally

Well, i think you hadn't try a hard breaking using a manual tranni till the car stalled before. When u do hard breaking (especially during emergency), your engine will stalled only when you car is completely stop. So there's nothing to do with power assisted brake or steering problem.


To me, the most important thing now for TS is to pass the exam with the method that you are familiar with, once u've got ur license, then go for advance driving technique, example like advance breaking, advance driving skill and etc.... As for me, breaking and steping on clutch is depends very much on situation. askar_lcy already give a very detailed guide of driving.

Yes, use the braking method yr driving instructor teaches u (which, hopefully, is also what the JPJ exam official is looking out for), and change to the appropriate method discussed here after you've got yr driving license!

1more thing,

the purpose of hitting brake is to slow down the speed.
the purpose of hitting clutch is to make the engine running prior to braking.

while jpj road test, u drive slowly.
so it's ok to hit the clutch and hit the brake simultaneously.

at low speed (at low rpm), if u brake hard, the engine will off.
hitting the clutch before braking prevents from engine off.

Well, you are just starting to learn..

Juz stick to pressing cluth first, then oni brake..


After pass edi only lain ceritalah..
You'll noe which one suits better for you by then.

I stick to free gear then break till stationery.

Thanks all for the valuable information. I think I got it already in my 3 hours lesson just now. Brake first if the car is moving fast, clutch first if it's almost stopping, all smooth throughout the journey. Will be taking the test on next Tuesday. Parking OK, hill OK, just a little worry of the 3 point turn. 3 stops only, if accidentally stop half way fearing the engine will die for releasing the clutch too much, I'll fail.

Have problem controlling the clutch.

good luck

Yeah...Good luck to you too...

Best wishes!

p.s. nowadays don't bribe can pass onot? During my days, only lousy skilled drivers need to offer bribes.

change lower gear. use gear brake

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Added on October 13, 2008, 2:01 pmcan. but msut fail once 1st. that what happen 2me

This post has been edited by EmperorMeng: Oct 13 2008, 02:01 PM

Good Luck

p/s: pls don't involve in bribery.

WHAT? Of all the parking test, you worry about the 3 point turn? That is the easiest part of the test. If you fail the test because of the 3 point turn, you definitely do not deserve to be on the road.

3 point turn involves 2 stops (you don't count the last stop) only and the least amount of judgement (you've got a gigantic area to perform the test compared to reverse and parallel parking aka side parking). The other 3 test already involves 1 stop (on hill and reverse parking) while side parking needs 2 stops too.

So why are you worried about the 3 point turn?

3 point turn is actually the easiest as they give you ample space to do the test
Impossible you mati engine or hit the poles

Whether only 60km/h, I always shift to 3rd gear, then hit the brake till left 30km/h, then free gear, then brake again.

Takkan straight free gear then brake at 60km/h.

2nd gear also can. When you drive longer or play high rev often, you will know how to control the clutch/car.

3 point turn = I nearly mati engine, shiat! As long you don't stall the car, confirm pass.

Parking also nearly mati engine, and on the road test I really mati engine once, but "you know".

Because I have 5 minutes for parking and they wouldn't bother if you kill your engine or something, as long as your car gets in without hitting the poles. For 3 point turn, I have to control the clutch real good, step too much then the car will stop, too little then the engine will die, must make it perfect.

Taking the test tomorrow

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Added on October 14, 2008, 8:40 pmFailed my bukit, should have release the clutch more before releasing the handbrake

This post has been edited by -Teddy-: Oct 14 2008, 08:40 PM

train more

practise more clutch balance

Yeah...Failed my bukit during as well...but that was pra test...

Lepas oni the clutch like pro- compensate it with pressing more minyak...

Lanyak oni...not your car mah ... no need worry the damage...


Try harder I must say...And good luck, again...

Is engine dragging with damage the car, ie shorten the lifespan on my clutch, gear and engine...?

Cuz I am always doing it when I am slowing my car, especially doing a turn. Maybe its time for me to practise the heel to toe methode already.

you mean going into low gear and letting engine braking do it work? yeah it might effect ur engine wear and tear, esp gearbox..

no need hell and toe la..just use the brake... thats what its for...

Oh, then i should cut down the usage

Engine won't die one, your gearbox die first.

What is the cost for replacing the gearbox for manual myvi then? Noob here

no one said anything about when u taking a turn or an exit at high speed... dun ever clutch 1st... u'll get skidded(oversteer?) or so called drift =x erm i called it suicide drift

Just passed my Section 2 retake. Nearly fail again for I only manage to pass the slope, the first attempt the tyre only touches the line a little.

Thanks all for tips.

Ok...now u can start to learn real driving...

U teach urself... Try it..

Lol, suap the bugger only.. have to take again leceh ballz.


Neway,

Ur instructor's way is for beginners gua.. Coz during test u wont drive fast, so clutch first safer. If nt later slow down the car start to shake you panic then dunno what 2 do d.

For practical purpose, you'd figure it out when u start driving on your own i guess..

Suap that officer sometime also won't work one lo... How much can you suap him/her? Mati engine once suap once? That time when I was taking the on-the-road test I only use up to 3rd gear maximum.

Nowadays when I drive the manual car, sometime I clutch then brake and sometimes brake then clutch. Depends on conditions also le.

3rd gear oni?
How fast did u go during jpj?

slow down car to desirable rpm then clutch , so brake then clutch for me lol