.. emm .. if u r getting driving license ... hmm .. you might not want to follow the practical procedure.. you know.. its like before marriage life and after marriage life LOL
Clutch Then Brake or the other way round?
Clutch Then Brake or the other way round?
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Sep 28 2008, 11:32 PM
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in practical situation .. if you clutch the car in a moderate speed and press brake.. your tires will freeze so fast that you can skid and lost control of the car.. try doing brakes (but dont do until engine dead lol) first then when the speed comes down to reasonable speed .. clutch and change gears... it would be fine..
.. emm .. if u r getting driving license ... hmm .. you might not want to follow the practical procedure.. you know.. its like before marriage life and after marriage life LOL |
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Sep 30 2008, 06:58 AM
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QUOTE(-Teddy- @ Aug 22 2008, 11:09 PM) My instructor says clutch then brake. If emergency, step both of them at the same time. QUOTE(-Teddy- @ Aug 23 2008, 06:53 PM) Oh my QUOTE(EyraYus @ Aug 23 2008, 11:22 PM) yes, and no. i think,he do gets it.you still dont get it, ok..try it this way... drive at 50kmj then release ur accelerator pedal, dont touch anything else, see how fast ur car slow down then repeat, drive at 50, release ur acc pedal but this time press your clutch pedal see how fast ur car slow down compare both well kid,yes,the car will only stall if u stops it at a very low speed,say,5-15kmh(depending on which gear you're on) w/o stepping on the clutch. umm...i will list a few situations here to assist u in braking: 1. u're driving low speed,say 30-50kmh,and the expected stop point (say the traffic lights) is about 2-3car's distance.in this situation u can actually step on the clutch and no breaks or very little braking,let the car cruise and slow down by itself until about 1car distance ahead from the stop point then u apply more brakes to stop the car. 2. u're driving low speed,say 30-50kmh,and the expected stop point is kinda near,u can still apply clutch first and brake becaz that's easier for a newbie to handle the car (from being stalled) and especially to pass ur exam.but a better and safer way is still apply brake then only clutch. 3. u're driving on normal speed,say 50-80kmh,and the stop point is about 2-3car's distance,u can release your gas pedal,step on nothing and let the car cruise and slow down on its own until a close distance then apply your brakes.by this time,the situation should somewhat the same as 2. 4. u're driving on highspeed,say 80kmh above,and the stop point is about 2-3car's distance,step on your brakes and control the cruise speed,press on the clutch when the car almost stops/stalls.in this current situation,if u steps on your clutch first and then break is still not a big trouble,becaz the distance is still far ahead.but it will add to the brake pad's wear.(p/s:really not recommended especially for newbie) 5. u're driving on highspeed and the stop point is near. Dude,press on the break abit harder and if still enough time make a quick glance on your rear view mirror and side mirror and turn your steering if necessary.(beware:don't turn too much steering or elsee you'll skid.) turn ur steering in order to escape to side lanes for safer purposes. NOTE: All these situations are for Zero Side Factors Assumptions. They are just some suggestions and opinions.Driving on the road is DANGEROUS and u must always expect the unexpected.Even when u're in situation 1.,some idiot who drove fast behind u might just cut into your front and make a sudden brake.u have to be calm and brake accordingly. the most important thing i would say is to GET TO KNOW YOUR CAR WELL.and if possible always maintain it to it's best performance especially in braking part. hope my post helps and wish u good luck in your exam.since it's in october maybe u should drive more with ur dad accompanying you and ask ur dad to teach u more about driving. |
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Sep 30 2008, 11:11 AM
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askar_lcy gave a very good explanation
TS, brake&clutch, clutch&brake, hardbraking depends on situation, as per told by askar_lcy. TS, the purpose of clutch for manual transmission (car&motorcycle alike) is to engage&disengage the gear with the engine. once u step on the clutch pedal, u feel the car "a little bit lighter". this is becoz the gear is "momentarily free" (i.e. not connected to engine). for passing JPJ purpose, stick to clutch&brake method, coz u're not that fast anyway. in emergency, better brake hard & clutch & lower the gears. lower gear means from 5>4>3>2>1 if possible to induce engine braking. let go the clutch so that the car will jerk. here, jerking = engine braking. btw, goodluck in ur JPJ exam, cool down a abit tau! |
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Sep 30 2008, 11:45 AM
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Looks like your driving instructor is of the old school type who also taught my parents to depress the clutch pedal while braking!
Depressing the clutch while braking actually makes the car move faster (unless when about to come to a stop), as the engine doesn't get to help slow down the car through engine-braking anymore. Only depress the clutch pedal when braking, if you intend to downshift to utilise engine-braking, or when it's about to come to a stop (engine dies off if you don't depress it). |
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Oct 1 2008, 11:54 PM
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i always press clutch before brake,
to reduce the muffle sound |
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Oct 3 2008, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Aug 22 2008, 06:57 PM) High Speed braking - brake first then clutch (reduce brake pad wear, engine braking applied Agree with this totallyLow Speed braking - clutch first then brake (low speed RPM can't help engine braking) QUOTE(ryan_hustler @ Sep 26 2008, 04:57 PM) Big big mistake..most new cars have power assisted brakes not to mention your power steering.Once your engine stalls (mati engine) you have little or no control over you steering and some brakes harden up meaning you have to put more pressure on it to stop.Combine not being able to steer or brake in an emergency situation,i bet we wont hear from you ever again. Well, i think you hadn't try a hard breaking using a manual tranni till the car stalled before. When u do hard breaking (especially during emergency), your engine will stalled only when you car is completely stop. So there's nothing to do with power assisted brake or steering problem.Try stalling your engine while comming down genting. To me, the most important thing now for TS is to pass the exam with the method that you are familiar with, once u've got ur license, then go for advance driving technique, example like advance breaking, advance driving skill and etc.... As for me, breaking and steping on clutch is depends very much on situation. askar_lcy already give a very detailed guide of driving. |
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Oct 6 2008, 09:56 AM
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Yes, use the braking method yr driving instructor teaches u (which, hopefully, is also what the JPJ exam official is looking out for), and change to the appropriate method discussed here after you've got yr driving license!
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Oct 7 2008, 10:07 AM
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1more thing,
the purpose of hitting brake is to slow down the speed. the purpose of hitting clutch is to make the engine running prior to braking. while jpj road test, u drive slowly. so it's ok to hit the clutch and hit the brake simultaneously. at low speed (at low rpm), if u brake hard, the engine will off. hitting the clutch before braking prevents from engine off. |
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Oct 9 2008, 09:17 PM
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Well, you are just starting to learn..
Juz stick to pressing cluth first, then oni brake.. After pass edi only lain ceritalah.. You'll noe which one suits better for you by then. I stick to free gear then break till stationery. |
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Oct 10 2008, 08:53 PM
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Thanks all for the valuable information. I think I got it already in my 3 hours lesson just now. Brake first if the car is moving fast, clutch first if it's almost stopping, all smooth throughout the journey. Will be taking the test on next Tuesday. Parking OK, hill OK, just a little worry of the 3 point turn. 3 stops only, if accidentally stop half way fearing the engine will die for releasing the clutch too much, I'll fail.
Have problem controlling the clutch. |
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Oct 10 2008, 08:56 PM
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good luck
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Oct 10 2008, 11:18 PM
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Yeah...Good luck to you too...
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Oct 13 2008, 01:58 PM
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Best wishes!
p.s. nowadays don't bribe can pass onot? During my days, only lousy skilled drivers need to offer bribes. |
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Oct 13 2008, 02:00 PM
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change lower gear. use gear brake
Added on October 13, 2008, 2:01 pm QUOTE(Esky @ Oct 13 2008, 01:58 PM) Best wishes! can. but msut fail once 1st. that what happen 2mep.s. nowadays don't bribe can pass onot? During my days, only lousy skilled drivers need to offer bribes. This post has been edited by EmperorMeng: Oct 13 2008, 02:01 PM |
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Oct 13 2008, 05:41 PM
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Good Luck
p/s: pls don't involve in bribery. |
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Oct 13 2008, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(-Teddy- @ Oct 10 2008, 08:53 PM) Thanks all for the valuable information. I think I got it already in my 3 hours lesson just now. Brake first if the car is moving fast, clutch first if it's almost stopping, all smooth throughout the journey. Will be taking the test on next Tuesday. Parking OK, hill OK, just a little worry of the 3 point turn. 3 stops only, if accidentally stop half way fearing the engine will die for releasing the clutch too much, I'll fail. WHAT? Of all the parking test, you worry about the 3 point turn? That is the easiest part of the test. If you fail the test because of the 3 point turn, you definitely do not deserve to be on the road.Have problem controlling the clutch. 3 point turn involves 2 stops (you don't count the last stop) only and the least amount of judgement (you've got a gigantic area to perform the test compared to reverse and parallel parking aka side parking). The other 3 test already involves 1 stop (on hill and reverse parking) while side parking needs 2 stops too. So why are you worried about the 3 point turn? |
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Oct 13 2008, 09:27 PM
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3 point turn is actually the easiest as they give you ample space to do the test
Impossible you mati engine or hit the poles |
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Oct 13 2008, 09:34 PM
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Whether only 60km/h, I always shift to 3rd gear, then hit the brake till left 30km/h, then free gear, then brake again.
Takkan straight free gear then brake at 60km/h. 2nd gear also can. When you drive longer or play high rev often, you will know how to control the clutch/car. 3 point turn = I nearly mati engine, shiat! As long you don't stall the car, confirm pass. Parking also nearly mati engine, and on the road test I really mati engine once, but "you know". |
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Oct 13 2008, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Oct 13 2008, 09:11 PM) WHAT? Of all the parking test, you worry about the 3 point turn? That is the easiest part of the test. If you fail the test because of the 3 point turn, you definitely do not deserve to be on the road. Because I have 5 minutes for parking and they wouldn't bother if you kill your engine or something, as long as your car gets in without hitting the poles. For 3 point turn, I have to control the clutch real good, step too much then the car will stop, too little then the engine will die, must make it perfect.3 point turn involves 2 stops (you don't count the last stop) only and the least amount of judgement (you've got a gigantic area to perform the test compared to reverse and parallel parking aka side parking). The other 3 test already involves 1 stop (on hill and reverse parking) while side parking needs 2 stops too. So why are you worried about the 3 point turn? Taking the test tomorrow Added on October 14, 2008, 8:40 pmFailed my bukit, should have release the clutch more before releasing the handbrake This post has been edited by -Teddy-: Oct 14 2008, 08:40 PM |
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