You have TTS, the ONLY off-campus accommodation within reach of walking distance.
Edu Square is part of TTS.
Don't expect the off-campus accommodation to be anywhere cheaper than on-campus, they can be more expensive.

So you going for the famous one?
All of the courses here are reputable..

The cert itself, is signed by the Vice-Chancellor of the University of Nottingham and there is only one Vice-Chancellor only even though there are two overseas campuses.
The cert alone is identical to what they receive in the UK.
But, I was told that if people want to check on your academic transcripts, it will show that which modules are delivered in Malaysia etc. Something like that la..

In the hostel were you engage the SNS service, the max you can get is ~60KB/s.
If you are using the connections in the campus, you can go a lot higher but it's not that easy to get nice speed because most of the time the line will be used by a community.

So, that is achievable in Malaysia. And what? 3 years ago!

Why so sure about recognition in Commonwealth country? Any proof?

Canada is also Commonwealth country, so does Australia and NZ.
I believe they have their own recognition body for certain subjects and it's up to the body to recognise or not, not the status of being commonwealth or not.
Of course, Nottingham does have a worldwide reputation being one of the good UK university but still need to check out with the local recognition body.
Take a quick example for Engineering, BEng from UK is not recognised by BEM.

That's possible. After all, the UK BEng and Aus BEng does study about the same amount of stuff.
Recently, Uni Melb is having a new system where one do a 3 years non-Honour BSc programme followed by a 2 years coursework MEng.
If they take in 3 years Bachelor programme into their MEng (which is a postgraduate course in Aus), I don't see why the BEng cannot be accepted.
Nonetheless, the funny thing about the system run by Uni Melb is that you will be studying those important stuffs only in MEng. For instance, perhaps those higher level Fluid Dynamics, Finite Element Method etc. are only conducted in the MEng. The BSc is designed to be general.

But does the extra 10+ subjects make them study more?
My guess is no because most of the so-called extra subjects are in the 1st year, ie the general subjects.

Didn't get why you say me wrong and proceed with introducing the BTech thingy.
My observation is that, comparing Nottingham and Monash, the subjects taken in Nottingham 1st to 3rd years are about the same with what taken in Monash for their 2nd to 4th years. Monash 1st year is a common year where you take Maths, Chemistry, Physics etc. like a Pre-U.
So, am I wrong in saying "the extra subjects in Aus system do not make them study more than a 3 years UK BEng"?
I should rephrase. Be it 3 years UK or 4 years Aus, the depth of studies probably go about the same.

Monash Malaysia is a direct comparison with Nottingham. Monash Malaysia shares the same course structure as in Australia.
UQ, UWA, ANU and others all run a common first year thingy. That implies to me that their course structure would be similar to Monash, considering they are in the same league.
I can't be sure, but I don't think I recall seeing any universities in Aus offering specialism modules on their 1st year when I did my research on Australia Universities early this year.

This is funny.
Please make your research upon commenting.


I don't imply the academic strength of ANU is the same with Monash Malaysia.
What I am trying to deliver just now is their course structure.
All G8 universities (except Adelaide where I did not research on, except Melbourne where I didn't look up the 4-year programme) are having a similar course structure, ie 1st year common then 2nd to 4th year specialism.

Take a look at this.
Nottingham, identical course structure as in delivered in UK, Mechanical Engineering.
http://www.nottingham.edu.my/Faculties/Eng...ngineering.aspx
Year 1 has modules like Solid Mechanics, Thermodynamics, Fluid Mechanics.

Monash, course structure at Australia, Mechanical Engineering. (Please scroll until Mechanical Engineering section)
http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/handbooks/courses/0032.html
Year 2 only consists of modules like Thermodynamics, Fluid Mechanics and Mechanics of Materials(=Solid Mechanics).
Year 1 being common.

ANU, Engineering.
http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/4700XBE...dy_options.html
Engineering Major start at 2nd year. That's how you take up specialism in ANU as far as I am concerned.
Things in 1st year are studied by everybody. Common 1st year.

UNSW, Mechanical Engineering.
http://www.handbook.unsw.edu.au/undergradu.../2009/4423.html
Year 2 only has things like Thermofluid/Thermodynamic Cycle, Fluid Engineering, Mechanics of Solids.

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Added on July 27, 2009, 12:19 amTo add on, Thermodynamics, Fluid Mechanics and Solid Mechanics/Mechanics of Materials (whichever way you like to call it) are the three main topics covered in Mechanical Engineering.

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Added on July 27, 2009, 12:23 amEmm, can say like that. But they do confer identical Nottingham degree upon completion of the course.
After all, almost all IPTS in Malaysia are doing business instead of education.

But, I must say, I can feel the willingness ('keikhlasan') of delivering education within the staffs in Nottingham, at least in my department.
At least, I feel the sky-high tuition fee is not spent unwisely.

This post has been edited by tanjinjack: Jul 27 2009, 12:24 AM

It's not pretty much the same for their first year. Nottingham doesn't have Physics and Chemistry already, in their 1st year.
BTW, the programming component is in the module called Professional Studies in the case for Nottingham.

Please take a look at the course structure, comparing 1st Year Nottingham and Monash and UNSW 2nd year. (I don't include ANU because they don't have a defined course structure for Mechanical Engineering.)
Please take a look at the modules in colours.
This is what I call 'similar'.

Nottingham's First Year:

Engineering Mathematics 1
Solids Mechanics 1
Design and Manufacture 1
Thermodynamics 1
Professional Studies
Engineering Mathematics 2
Fluid Mechanics 1
Machine Dynamics
Electrical Systems
Introduction to Materials and Materials Forming

Monash's Second Year:

* ENG2091 Advanced engineering mathematics A
* MEC2401 Dynamics I
* MEC2402 Engineering design I
* MEC2403 Mechanics of materials
* MEC2404 Fluid mechanics I
* MEC2405 Thermodynamics
* MEC2406 Engineering design II
* MEC2407 Electromechanics

UNSW's Second Year:

* ZACM2010 Design 1 (3 UOC)
* ZACM2020 Materials Science (3 UOC)
* ZACM2021 Mechanics of Solids A (3 UOC)
* ZACM2022 Mechanics of Solids B (3 UOC)
* ZACM2030 Thermofluids (6 UOC)
* ZACM2031 Thermodynamic Cycles (3 UOC)
* ZACM2041 Introduction to Vibration (3 UOC)
* ZACM2230 Fluid Engineering (3 UOC)
* ZACM2440 Mechanics of Machines (3 UOC)
* ZITE2002 Princ Elect & Electronics Tech (3 UOC)
* ZPEM2309 Engineering Mathematics 2A (6 UOC)
* ZPEM2310 Engineering Mathematics 2B (6 UOC)

As I say, the 3 topics I highlight is the CORE topics for Mechanical Engineering. UK has them in 1st year, but Aus has them in 2nd year.
Also, UK adopts a different system with Aus.
UK talks about Credits, Aus talks about Units.
For UK, one year you need to have 120 credits, and one module usually takes 10 credits. Design & Manufacture 1 and Introduction to Materials & Materials Forming take 20 credits though; Design & Manufacture 2 takes 30 credits. That's equivalent to 2 or 3 subjects already.

And now you are telling that Australian students are made to learn things more in detail, when you are making a wrong comparison by saying UK 1st year is "pretty much the same" with Aus 1st year where in fact they aren't.
So, can I trust your word?

And, I can say UK students are made to learn things more in detail. Who can prove this? One undergoing both system, not me, and I guess not you either. Cut the subjective comments already. Provide facts would be better. For instance, a detailed module structure for each of the module, comparing side by side between UK and Aus universities on topics learned. That can show who learn more in detail.

Anyway, for the case of Nottingham, there are 6 electives to be taken in 3rd year and another 5 in the 4th year.
During your 3rd year, you are allowed to take Level 3 electives and some Level 4 electives. During your 4th year, you have more Level 4 electives which is exclusive to 4th year students. Also, ATR and ISA are both Level 4 modules, they are compulsory for MEng students but not offered as electives for BEng students.
That is a false statement for your claim of elective subjects being Year 3 Level papers.
Also, I don't see it wrong for one university to feel the necessity to equip their engineering graduates with business knowledge.

A quick search on Wikipedia shows that the keyperson in NVIDIA and AMD are from US universities.

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Added on July 27, 2009, 1:39 amAlright, an alumnus from UNSW is a former CEO of Coca-Cola.

This post has been edited by tanjinjack: Jul 27 2009, 01:39 AM

That is true for TER wise. Nottingham asks for 90 but 85 for most universities in Australia.
For Feb 2009 intake, all G8 asks for 85 except UNSW 88+ and UQ 89+, except Adelaide which is I unknow of.
Engineering course, btw.
Exclude ANU BEng (R&D) which asks for TER98, normal BEng still 85.

This post has been edited by tanjinjack: Jul 27 2009, 01:49 AM

It's not that UK squeezes thing into 3 years. It's that they are like that at the very beginning. UK education system is unique where they can produce competent graduates using 3 years time.
A lot of professional courses ask for 4 years now. As in the case of Pharmacy, UK took the decision to phase out BPharm and introduce the 4-year MPharm.
But UK does not take the same approach for Engineering. I might be biased, but my guess is that they don't think their 3 years graduates are in anywhere less competent than other BEng in the world.
Alright, this can be subjective.
(And in Malaysia context, a UK BEng makes no difference with an Aus BEng for employers who are not in the consultancy. "No one faces any problems to apply job by BEng." a quote from an Associate Professor of the University of Nottingham Malaysia Campus)

As I point out earlier, the depth of studies should be about the same despite the year difference. This is because there is no need for things like a general first year in UK. The depth of A-Level is enough for the students to start off with core subjects (the real meat) in Year 1. The depth of Australian Year 12, meanwhile, is not enough for them to start off with core subjects immediately and they in turn have a common 1st year, which bridge up the gap between the 'real meat' and Year 12.

UK is not in a hurry to give out their degree. It's just that they don't feel the need to produce a good graduate using 4 years.
The 4 years MEng, is merely to meet the worldwide requirement of 4-year of studies prior to practising as professional engineers.

If a side-by-side comparison is needed, (well, I admit I am lazy for that), BEng vs BEng is more than enough. UK MEng is never on par with Aus BEng.

There is a need of standardisation for the Engineering degrees around the world at that time, and I guess UK has to become the victim.
The reason BEng is still going on now is because at that time, UK feels that BEng is enough to become a professional engineer. MEng makes them outshines others. This is essentially true given the fact that the level of studies of UK BEng and BEng/BSc of other countries are actually about the same. MEng, as being a Master degree, is an edge higher in term of knowledge.

Sadly, the MEng can only be viewed to be equivalent with other countries' BEng/BSc for accreditation purpose.
But UK MEng is a Master, and is always at a higher level than a Bachelor, academically.

I just recalled I contacted an ANU staff last time and asked if BEng, despite being 3 years, is sufficient for an entry into Master degree or not. The answer is yes, but with good Honours.

Which statement of cameltoe are you referring to?
He has correct statements and has, IMO, wrong one, too.

Usually good Honours refer to 1st class or Second Upper. This is also the admission requirement for most postgraduate Master course in the UK.

To each his need, I would say.
You like apple or orange?

Have you tried Aus system before? How come you know not much difference?
Academically, based on my studies in Nottingham now and SAM last year, Australia and UK system takes different approaches in delivering knowledge.
To me, I learn my knowledge through a lot of exercises and tutorials during SAM, but I get my knowledge on self-study more when I am under the UK system. Of course, the Aus system I go through during SAM is managed by Malaysians and I expect the 'authentic' education system to be slightly different from it. But that's my experience.
And in my opinion, that is very different, and the graduates produced can have different mindset, thoughts etc.

Of course, at the end of the course, both systems prepare you to work adequately and the degrees are internationally competent.