Oh My God u didn't get it do u....i say the Foveon X3 Sensor is the Holy Grail of digital imaging sensor out there at this time not the Sigma DP1...ok, i admit that the Sigma DP1 is not the best camera out there in terms of capability or functions, in fact if u look at the spec it doesn't make much sense also...fixed 28mm-F4 lens with no zoom and the huge price tag(800USD according to dpreview), can get a D80 with that price man...the most i can say is a good sensor stuck in a not so good camera, and since it's the only camera on the market i know of that has this sensor,i automatically assume that this is the best consumer "Fixed Lens Digital Compact Camera" out there....but to tell u the truth the picture it produces really blow me away, i like the color very very much...and the sharpness per pixel of Foveon X3 is much better than conventional sensor..i've never seen a compact camera that can produce this kind of quality and i'm all about picture quality, the rest comes second...and below is the quote from dpreview about the Foveon sensor :

"Foveon's sensor instead of having a single photodetector at each pixel location has a multi-layered design which has the equivalent of a red, green and blue photodetector at each pixel location. This means that instead of having to interpolate the values of neighboring pixels the X3 sensor 'sees' full color at individual pixel locations. This is pretty much the 'holy grail[U]' of digital image sensors, it should mean ultra sharp, detailed images with full color single pixel resolution."

U can find more info about the sensor at this link - http://www.dpreview.com/news/0202/02021102foveonx3tech.asp

Guess u miss it since u don't read the whole thing...hope i don't offend u but from what i can tell u are not very good at looking at pictures also...or u didn't download the sample picture and take a look at it? Well i hope u read this reply carefully cause i don't want to repeat the same thing over and over again,hope this will clear up the confusion..and by the way i didn't have D80 or F100, it's my friend, guess u're the one that didn't read carefully

Hahahahaha.....
Don't worry, no offense taken.
And truth be told, I skipped everything and directly went for the conclusion on the DP1.
hahahaha.....

Anyway, what makes a cam good, doesn't depend on 1 component or 1 chip in the camera.
Your holy grail stuck in a cheap built cam will still make it a cheap cam with not so good photos (at least not as good as it should have been).
So, unless guys like Panasonic/Canon start using this kind of holy grail sensors, I guess the LX3 will still be way better than the DP1 in terms of a lot of things (including photo quality).

Just my opinion:
You like the photos of the DP1 doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same.
And I see the conclusion of dpreview and they don't even mention the photo quality of the DP1 as a plus point.
So....maybe you are one of the rare fans

Well ur rite, a good camera doesn't only depend on 1 single component....a modern digital camera actually has 3 major component that i think is the most important in determining a good camera....
1.) The Lens - this is the major factor that affects the quality most...a good lens will make a lot of difference in terms of picture quality, sharpness, color and most importantly...bokeh or depth of field....

2.) The Sensor - this is one of the most misleading or confusing information that has confuse consumer for a very long time..i think most of u guys already know it but i'll just say it anyway, more megapixels doesn't mean better quality..it all depends on a sensor size...for example a 12mp - 1/1.6" sensor will not look better than a 6mp - 1/1.6" sensor...this is due to the large amount of photosites they need cram in a small space...and the only way to cram it is to make it even smaller than they already are!!! Photosites is used to catch light in the sensor and then convert them into electricity thus making them into a digital signal...small photosites are not as good as catching light compared to the bigger photosites in a larger sensor found in D-SLR..(mind you that 1/1.6" sensor is only around 8 x 6mm while Nikon DX format is 23.7 x 15.7mm...that's several times bigger than 1/1.6" sensor), because the signal that the small photosites gather is weaker they have to bump up the signal to get a better picture, but when u bump up a weak signal then the noise gets bump up as well, so thats where all the noise come from..another thing that i don't like about small sensor is the ability to control the depth of field..if u notice, a compact camera doesn't produce as much bokeh as D-SLR does because of the sensor size..so big sensor big bokeh, small sensor limited bokeh
To tell the truth i'm actually sick and tired of this megapixel race where they put as much pixel as they can in a small sensor without considering the consequences. so please forgive me if i don't have anymore confident with a large megapixel,small sensor type compact camera ...

3.) The Processor - well the first one to brand and promote a camera processor is Canon i think, with their DIGIC processor..so what do processors do? the sensor read the light and then converts them to signals, then who convert the signal back to a picture...the processors la...the processor(lets call it CPU) is responsible for constructing the signal as well as managing the picture quality..the CPU actually controls the white balance, color saturation and most importantly noise reduction (these r only some of the things that a CPU controls)..a same sensor on a different CPU will yield different results. even with the same sensor and the same CPU which has slightly different algorithm will produce different result also, in the end it all comes down to what the manufacturer sets them to be..some people like to bypass the CPU by taking raw picture files and then calibrate them using a 3rd party software, eg:Photoshop...

So sorry that this might sound like a lecture but i just want to express whats on my mind for a very long time..
the Sigma might have crappy functions and might not produce an ideal looking picture to u but its mostly due to the processor fault (they are not very good in that department anyway)..and it takes a long time to come out with a good processing algorithm to control the overall quality of the picture.... i hope i didn't make any mistakes and hopefully this will provide some info to anyone wanting to learn more about photography.Thanks

Walaoeh.....marvelously detailed post!!!
I like it very much~!
hahahaa....

And I wholeheartedly agree with u on the megapixel race.
It is almost like the old MHz/GHz race for the PC.
Just some marketing hoax to attract people to buy a new PC.
And on my old Lumix, I absolutely see no difference between a 6megapixel photo and a 3megapixel one (except the file size).

anothher test
http://www.dcfever.com/news/readnews.php?id=2280

Well, if you can't see the difference between a 6mp and a 3mp photo, then its no wonder you can't differentiate between photo quality!

No offence intended, ya.

Don't zoom in 100% u won't see any difference la.
And i developed some of them, 3mega and 6mega really no difference on 3R or 4R.
Unless you like to print poster size photos of yourself to hang on your room walls

Wooo..glad u like it...well ur rite again....if u only print 3r or 4r pictures, u will see no difference in 2mp, 3mp,5mp, or even 12mp.(for 4r pictures 2mp is enough edi, anything more than that is a waste)..the big big megapixels is used to print very large pictures, some where from 8r or more...but then,how many people print that size nowdays..but then again, how many people actually go and print their photos nowdays..

it's megasales now. hopefully got special offer

I just went round Melaka asking if any of the shops will be shipping in the LX3 soon.
None of them dare to give concrete answer.
Most of them quoting at least 1 month wait.
Sigh.....
Got money also cannot buy ah.....

need pre-order ka?

Packard Digital Camera quote:

Lumix LX3 + tripod + casing + 4GB SD (high-speed) = RM1750

Lumix LX3 + spare batt (ori) + casing + 4GB SD (high-speed) = RM1880

Can get the cam by next week fastest.


I think package 2 is the better deal.
Any opinions?

wow, i guess that's a relief. i was expecting above 2k.

It was announced quite long ago that the retail price would be RM1799

extra RM160 for the spare battt

normal price how much?

LX3 batt can last 380 shots... maybe no need spare that much

u got ask for fz28 or not?

which shop u went?

great news! sorry didn't follow up after a long time. however after reading much reviews, i'm interested in getting this one

LX3 dont have RAW mode rite?

got la.. can take jpg & raw same time somemore

kns so tempting!!
but still gonna wait for Micro 3/4, it more near to slr.