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post Jul 28 2011, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(MX510 @ Jul 23 2011, 05:37 PM)
Any ideas i need to 2 Nas one at home and another one at office so any work done at office will be sync by another Nas at home the data storage would be around 10 TB and both are using Unifi Biz 10
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With such a large data you really need a big NAS.

I m using synology in office and home and schedule the backup everyday with different folder. The normal streamyx cannot handle the large data. So far the backup failure is very less. Unless I download and occupy alot of bandwitdh.

I would like to have sync too. But at the moment the synology version don't have. The latest beta version have this "Shared Folder Sync" function. I m looking forward for this.

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post Aug 21 2011, 09:57 PM

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Is it better to use slower hdd for nas? Less problem and run cooler.

I use 5400rpm Samsung for raid nas. Rather 7200rpm hdd.
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post Aug 23 2011, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(carcdm @ Aug 23 2011, 12:21 PM)
and why is that, if you mind explaining?
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Spin faster cause mechanical failure faster and sooner compare lower rpm. And spin faster generate more heat which not just your hdd problem. Even your nas got to cool down more by the fan work harder. All this not a good sign for a NAS which require to run 24/7.

I don't everyday access the NAS and the bottleneck is not the hdd speed or the NAS. It is the network. So get a 7200rpm hdd is no meaning for a NAS. I want less hdd failure which can run non stop for 24/7 endurance. I don't need NAS run like pc.
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post Nov 5 2011, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(cysun @ Nov 5 2011, 09:15 AM)

The trick to home made NAS is building a reliable rig that can run 24x7. PSU that can tahan long, protection against dust and heat which is the main killer. I do commercial photography work and store my work on the NAS and have 3x1.5TB on RAID + 1x2TB non RAID where I download my music, videos, books, etc.
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You have to include the running cost and the total guarantee your important data won't be lost or destroy too.
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post Nov 5 2011, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(cysun @ Nov 5 2011, 12:31 PM)
Absolutely right Ozak. I figured with the components I have, the biggest worry for me is the actual harddisks themselves. I run RAID on stripped across the 3 units of 1.5TB Green drives which run at a lower RPM and is designed to work 24x7. Having said that, no RAID setup is fool proof and best practice is to perform backups regularly, no running away from that. With my rig I can segmentize critical data and not-so-critical download data. That's why I keep my movies and music on my non-RAID standalone SATA disk, but all on the same rig. If you go the all-in-one box like Buffalo or D-link, you're limited in that sense.

Different folks, different strokes i guess.
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You got to write down cleary the fool proof for your nas setup. And how to set it up. Like

1) protect the nas from power failure.
2) safelly to shutdown to prevent hdd spoil
3) test run your raid is function as what it should be
4) how to counter laziness, no time and forgetful backup
5) how if my nas is destroy by fire or steal by thieft if break in to my house.
6) do I have many stage backup.
7) does my nas running cost is high. How many watt does the total running cost per month.
8) can get my data easily anywhere.
9) do my nas and network will hang. If hang what can I do without I have to go back to reset it.

This is what I do before I setup my nas. I find the answer here, experience and from friend. I too have all my picture and video data in the nas. And it is very important that it 100% fool proof.

Hdd is not biggest worry compare other media.
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post Jan 8 2012, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(CocoMonGo @ Jan 8 2012, 02:16 PM)
guys, considering your NAS is connected 24/7 to the internet what security precaution are you guys utilising? anybody using a separate built just for a IDS implementation?
Edit: I am a newbie in network security so be kind
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The NAS OS have built in security. For synology or Qnap.
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post Jan 10 2012, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(CocoMonGo @ Jan 9 2012, 01:32 AM)
Yeah but those are usually just a basic firewall where we usually depend on the built-in features (stateful packet inspection) or at the most iptables (or their equal).

I was reading this article regarding IDS hardware when the author said he realised how many probes he was getting on his system and this made him worried. I run comodo on my com and with it some sort of intrusion protection system. I too notice the high number of probes to my laptop. So arent you guys worried about the possible data compromise?

Article on IDS built here
BTW ozak, maybe I missed it, but what are the security features of QNAP and synology that you mentioned? I couldnt find a difinitive answer on their website
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It come with the OS NAS run on linux. But I have no idea what security feature it have. I m not much worried about it. I have running it 24/7 for 2yrs without any problem with the security.
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post Jan 20 2012, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(thumbwrap @ Jan 20 2012, 05:03 PM)
I went ahead and bought me a Synology DS212j today with a 2TB WD disk.

Followed the install instruction meticulously. It did the format & everything. DSAssistant reports 1 server found, IP status DHCP, status: CONNECTION FAILED. &%*@%.

It asked me to click ok at the end of the install process, I clicked ok and that's it. The popup disappeared. No more further prompts from the installer as their wiki said there would be. It just sits there, lights blinking. And it doesn't tell me how to get to the web UI or do anything at all.

Synology wiki doesn't tell me what to do after this either.

Major fail from Synology.


Added on January 20, 2012, 5:39 pmEdit:

I managed to get the connection up finally by powering off/on the NAS and accessing the web UI through trial and error. Am now creating the volume.

Hoping no further hiccups after following the screen instructions to the letter. I still think Synology should anticipate errors in the install process and have contingencies to guide users out gracefully rather than assume every step ends in success. It is after all a complex product.
Does it come with a CD content the manual? Read the manual and you will be able to use it.

Install the synology assistance for easy setup. It will search your NAS even you forget the IP or don't no how to assist.

First thing is setup and change the IP in the NAS that easy to assist.


Added on January 20, 2012, 10:35 pm
QUOTE(thumbwrap @ Jan 20 2012, 05:03 PM)
Its either the hardware, software or the network. After I get my Synology unit up, I should be able to compare performance and find the culprit. I suspect it is WD's file management software. BTW, as far as I can tell the MBL does not provide any end-user control over how files are transferred. That's done by the firmware.
The main culprit is the NAS proccessor and RAM. Before get a NAS, check the proccessor and the ram specification to compare.

While the router side probably the setting inside the router. Enable direct assist and the firewall.

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post Feb 12 2012, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(amenlo9 @ Feb 12 2012, 06:20 PM)
hi all, want to ask does Dlink 320 is good enough and easy to deploy? Just want to get a budget NAS to do online cloud for iPad and iPhone media and also personal document backup via cloud.

besides, for Business environment, which NAS is able to support multiple user login? What i mean is I want to create several folder for different department and also manager & staff private folder, and each of the folder got security right or password to specific which user can be access like that. Does this exist?
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Qnap and synology.


Added on February 12, 2012, 9:21 pm
QUOTE(jimmydotnet @ Feb 12 2012, 08:04 PM)
thanks for the reply

im planning to do RAID 0 to boost the performance...but because of this problem i think i should go for JBOD instead...

but can you explain to me of JBOD performance compared to RAID 0 ? coz im planning to buy WD Green which is worst in performance but bargain in spaces/price
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For nas, try use lowest rpm hdd. You want a reliable last long and run cooler hdd.

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post Feb 13 2012, 11:50 PM

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I m using raid 5. And experience before where 1 hdd in bad shape. Shut off, take it out and replace a new 1. ON it back and it took fews hour to generate back the data. Run smooth till now.

The nas and raid 5 work as what I want. 1 of my risk free backup plan.
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post Feb 14 2012, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Feb 14 2012, 12:51 AM)
what NAS u using ?
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Using synology ds409+.
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post Mar 4 2012, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 4 2012, 03:33 PM)
this

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11681/cp...525B.html#blank

lian li.. easier to get there are many more out there in the market but not sure if malaysia got sell

u can check out ebay also
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But how does the 4 hdd configure and the wiring? In raid or separate 4 hdd?
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post Mar 13 2012, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Mar 12 2012, 11:03 PM)
I like the cloudstation feature in DSM 4.0.
Now I no need to worry about dropbox 2GB size limit. smile.gif
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New feature? I haven't upgrade the firmware.
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post Mar 13 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Mar 13 2012, 11:28 AM)
The new feature that encourage me to upgrade from DSM 3 to DSM 4 is the cloud station feature.
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Alright. This weekend plan to upgrade the firmware. thumbup.gif
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post Aug 22 2012, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Aug 22 2012, 09:44 PM)
There are few factors that determine the temp of the HDD, we can't judge it based on one's reading..  e.g has been a rainy day here since noon, my HDD cools down to below 38'c on the usual usage..  And while I have 2 media players fetching 1080p movies it goes up a bit again...   And reliability sometimes is pure luck, that's what I can draw after many years of using those HDDs.
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The temp I state is the average temp. Not raining day as most of the day is hot. Most of the time, the hdd is in idling stage for nas.

It is not 1 reading. The nas have 4 hdd temp reading. The hdd nearer to the CPU is higher a bit.

The data in my nas is important. Depend on luck is risky and cannot guarantee safety of my data in nas. I need some percentage sure.

Don't forget every year, 2-3x open up and clean the dust. That can prolong the life of the hdd and the nas.


Added on August 22, 2012, 10:15 pm
QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 22 2012, 09:47 PM)
errm there is new product now.
WD red. for NAS. 2tb RM375

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6157/western...rth-the-premium
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It cost rm340 for the f3 2tb at that time. Brought 5pcs. But 1pcs did developed some problem and I swap it out. but the problem 1 run good in my media player. rclxub.gif

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post Aug 26 2012, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(marck @ Aug 26 2012, 01:44 AM)
pls recommend cheap NAS 2 bays for storage only.
I always keep my stuff in duplicates and it is very troublesome so i thought NAS might be a good solution.
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NAS keep stuff also in duplicate. So what so troublesome?

You can get a program that duplicate your stuff every time you save it in some folder. It run auto. Save you a lot. Or if your pc have raid, than raid your hdd.
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post Sep 27 2012, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(ikkifujiwara @ Sep 27 2012, 03:30 PM)
Hi guys...

my boss company wish to setup a nas and he ask me to research for him... purpose of using nas is to store company web system, use as local web server and local office storage... my boss intention is to set user level to access certain folder (something like user permission i guess)...

can any sifu suggest wat kind of nas is suitable for such activities. fyi, my company is using unifibiz and if possible, can i set the nas with unifi fixed IP and access via internet??? thanks in advanced
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Synology and qnap is more suitable for your co. requirement. Check out their spec.
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post Sep 28 2012, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(ikkifujiwara @ Sep 28 2012, 04:28 PM)
my company has approx 15 - 20 pcs running from 3 different offices. definitely will do RAID 1 with around 750G - 1TB harddisk is sufficient enough. unfortunately my boss dun wan install OS coz it tends to easily corrupted... i did some research and D-Link DNS-320 looks promising to me... any idea on this device???
yes just 1 fixed IP... my boss need to have full time access on our web system... that's why we need to put this storage to the Internet... and we actually have a local server and its too old to upgrade any hard disk due to motherboard limitation. so my boss decide to use nas right now.
okay thanks will look around its products... any recommendation model?

btw, any D-Link DNS-320 user here???
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Synology ds412+ have a max 20user, 32user account, 80download task. Check the others model to compare.
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post Oct 1 2012, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(ikkifujiwara @ Oct 1 2012, 10:14 AM)
thanks for every advice above... highly appreciated it...

I did some survey at lowyat last weekend... and i found Synology DS212j and QNAP TS-212 which met all my boss requirements... any pros n cons on this both and which would b highly recommended (in term for performance, package, warranty) lowyat shop recommend synology... and i viewed both demo at their home site, it seems qnap offer more functionality compared with synology... but seriously i cant understand every single setting from there...
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My office, spore office and my home all using synology. It not difficult to setup. I don't have much knowledge in pc. But able to setup. Warranty is std 1yrs.

I suggest you get the higher spec as the DSxxxj is a junior spec as J indicate. Later get complain if everyone access it become slow. No idea in qnap.
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Dec 20 2012, 12:37 PM)
Expanding final 3TB disk in DS1812+, it would take approx 2 days for expansion and parity check. I am very happy with the purchase so far. smile.gif
Am on the way to upgrade the firmware to 4.1 for my 409+.

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