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lingleeyen
post Jun 8 2012, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(asiaproperty @ Jun 8 2012, 01:58 AM)
Hi,

I am renovating my apartment. My contractor before cutting my plaster ceiling assumed that there was enough space to fit a cassette type air con. Now that the plaster is exposed the height available from plaster to concrete slab is 9 inches.
The Panasonic we chose needs about 14 inches height so he recommended we create another drop down plaster in the middle of my plaster ceiling to accommodate the difference. I think it's going to look awful as we chose the cassette to give the place a stream lined look. Is there any cassette type brand anyone knows that will accommodate that minimal height ? I checked online and the brand Friedrich seems to have one at 9 1/4 inch but I can't seem to find anywhere in KL that sells it .

Please help !!!!
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What is the model of Panasonic cassette that you have bought? The height should be on the body only. Panel will exposed, so that height shall not be calculated.
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post Jun 8 2012, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(asiaproperty @ Jun 8 2012, 09:45 AM)
I have not seen the model for the air con as yet as I told the contractor not to bring it into the house and that I want to do some research on this rather then accept his word that there are no air cons out there that will fit.
I knw it should be 2 hp and he is saying he needs 14 inches of height to fit it in hence the need for another smaller drop down ceiling.
Do you know models that will fit that space ? If yes do let me know and I can speak to whomever who is selling it re the spec.
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I am looking at the Panasonic FS series catalogue. 2HP inverter and non inverter cassette body height is 246mm. Panel is 45mm. Panel shall not be calculated in the depth. He might need to run drain pipes.
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post Jun 8 2012, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(asiaproperty @ Jun 8 2012, 10:41 AM)
That's about 9.7 inches. I better get myself to an airconditioner store and see what needs sorting as they need to complete this in the next couple of days. Thanks for your help ! Sigh... The JOYS of renovations !
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Yeah...go check it out. But no point going to those electrical shops like SenQ, HLK, Harvey Norman. They don’t carry cassettes. Look out for those official dealers. Even though the Panasonic Cassette has drain pump, the pipe does not need to be elevated. You just need to make a U trap for the drain pipe and you are good to go…top clearance is not necessary for cassette
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post Jun 8 2012, 11:29 AM

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M is non inverter. Y is inverter.
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post Jun 8 2012, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(kongjong @ Jun 8 2012, 11:38 AM)
ya. many ppl said york aircon is noisy, not sure it is truly noise.
salesman promoting mitsubithi to me, but i dont this his words is reliable, as they push mitsubithi is due to a higher margin they gain.
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I will be using M series for my Living. Just scout around. Good luck
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post Jun 8 2012, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Jun 8 2012, 12:11 PM)
To see the total net weight difference (deluxe model)

1 horsepower

daikin : 36kg

mitsubishi heavy industry : 35kg

panasonic : 34kg

York : 34kg (very high BTU hence it is very strong wind, so the drawback is the vibration)
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Woot? BTU does not affect the sound, airflow and installation do. If you are worried, check all the airflow and noise level from the catalogue. Well balanced units will cause very minimal rattling hence low noise. New units will have no problem given that you install it properly. Unless you are talking about the airflow’s noise la, which I think it is negligible. And how is net weight in this kind of room air conditioners affecting vibration? It is not like the units will be shaking. Panasonic 1 HP indoor weight is 9kg, outdoor is 21kg. How loud can it be? If you want minimal vibration on your outdoor, put on a rubber pad under the outdoor unit. Indoor units wise, no cure. Just get a pro installer and service man to service your AC, to make sure that they put back the parts properly once they have done chemical wash
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post Jun 10 2012, 09:12 AM

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Onking personally is a rip off. I will not go there for anything. However, I believe what irwan got is a good deal. S-10 cost 1400 if it is as other place. Heck, C-10 cost u 1100 at dealer's price. So if you plan to buy pana, grab them la.
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post Jun 15 2012, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(dr_thines @ Jun 15 2012, 12:37 AM)
Just got my airconds fixed today.

2 SHARP units...1 HP: model AH-XP10NRV and 1.5 HP model AH-XP13NRV.
1 DAIKIN 1.0 HP

both inverter type.

Kinda regretting buying Sharp, My unit faces sunset..so its extra hot in the afternoon.
Only Daikin is able to make the room cold. Both Sharp models suck big time.
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You sized your AC wrongly? I believe so. I also strongly believe that you did not factor in the sunset factor into your calculation.
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post Jun 24 2012, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jun 23 2012, 04:56 PM)
Anyone know what type of gas does non-Invertor Panasonic air cond uses?

http://www.panasonic.com.my/wps/portal/hom...deluxe/CSC28NKH
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All Pana non-inverter AC using R22. Inverter using R410a.

Inverter - S and PS Series
Non-Inverter - C and PC series
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post Jun 24 2012, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jun 24 2012, 06:48 AM)
Thanks.
Aren't R22 going to be phased out soon?

You know what's the different between non-inverter York "L" and "J" series? Which is better?
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R22 is going to phase out soon. 2020 if I am not mistaken. New manufactured unit after 2020 will not use R22. Right now, if I am not mistaken, there is no more new/ virgin R22 manufactured from 2012. All that they have in the market is Reclaimed R22.

L series York is just like M series. M series is with ioniser. L series is without. Spec between the 2 is the same. J series is with another kind of ioniser. Do not know the ioniser difference between J and M. Do not know which one is the newer model. J first, K, L, M?

M's spec looks better with lower power input hence better EER. I just got myself a M.
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post Jun 24 2012, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jun 24 2012, 06:17 PM)
Thanks. I was told L is the latest but it's not prominently displayed at York website.

I understand Daikin took over York so I am hoping for some York range that is a clone of Daikin. Someone told me it's L and others told me it is J. I am confused. Furthermore, I didn't even know there is a M series. Anything more you can tell me?

As for ionizer, I dislike them.
It seems the L and M are the same except the M got Plasma
http://www.york.com.my/TM-YWMLM-1111-A.pdf
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There is no more other info that I can provide. Try also to venture around for brands.
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post Jun 25 2012, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jun 25 2012, 06:25 AM)
You mean to say M spec is better than J spec? I checked and they look identical?
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The last time I looked, M is better than J. No? Spec includes power input, capacity, Amp
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post Jun 25 2012, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 25 2012, 08:34 AM)
When I choosing York time (last year), legend explain and show me the ion and non ion version. The two physical outlook is difference.  I told himYork make lots of noise in my room. He agreed and point out the ion version is quieter, cheaper than most model and for living room is not to bad. That is the reason I have York in my living room now.
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The one with ion is with another layer of silver/ white/ grey glass like material on panel? That is M series. The one with the slit on the panel is J or L.
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post Jun 25 2012, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jun 25 2012, 09:29 AM)
I don't under the rationale for that. If L and M are basically the same except the ion version has an extra 'thing' to create the ions. Since both L & M uses same compressor and motor etc, they should have similar level of noise.


Added on June 25, 2012, 9:30 am

I don't quite understand those thing. I only looked at power usage and EEF and they seems the same for the 24000btu model. Hence asking.
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I believe she is talking about J and M series? I am not sure.

It is the same for unit with 24000 btu/h. But for others, it is not the same. M series has more capacity variation across its range. Not sure how L is different from J.
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jun 25 2012, 09:43 AM)
I have looked at the EER & wattage for the L, J and M of the 24000btu model. They are all the same. I makes me wonder may be they all use same compressor. Only different is some has ionizer or bacteria killing gadget etc on the blower unit or one of those fancy stuffs.
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I do not know the interior parts.
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post Jul 1 2012, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(tabs @ Jul 1 2012, 02:24 AM)
want to ask got anyone know what are the item to clear those air con jelly?
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What is AC jelly?
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post Jul 2 2012, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(tabs @ Jul 2 2012, 12:46 AM)
is like a jelly air con. that normally cause of water dropping due to it.
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Please let us know properly where this is formed, how does it look like. I have never seen any jelly in an AC.


Added on July 2, 2012, 8:28 am
QUOTE(nemoegg @ Jul 2 2012, 12:43 AM)
anyone can give me a comparison between Hitachi Ras s-10cz and Panasonic CU-C9NKH which better or have other brand suggest ?
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Please do some research before hand and check the spec for the 2.

http://hitachiconsumer.com.my/files/pdf/AC...ogue_201204.pdf

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post Jul 6 2012, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(khieni @ Jul 6 2012, 09:46 PM)
according to the sales person, if btu higher, will drawn more electric during starting....which i think is reasonable..... rclxms.gif
But, some sales person say, higher btu, faster cool, then lagi save electric....

i think (just my think, not the fact), i can just rely on EER for the electric saving guidance.......... rclxub.gif
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Higher capacity unit does cool the room faster. However, if your room only need 1HP but you put a 1.5HP, you not only waste initial capital, have higher electricity bill, and also resulting in alot of cut in cut out of compressor.

Even with inverter, the min frequency that it can run maybe 20Hz for certain brand, can only run for a specific amount of time. If the room temp does not rise, the unit will be forced to cut out. In that case, if start stop is so frequent even with inverter, what is the use of having inveter?

So size your AC properly. Don't just go for the biggest available.

Also, EER is just a reference. How they got their capacity depends on how each manufacturer do their testing. There is no apple to apple comparison for AC in Malaysia. Even if with the star rating, it is a relative comparison. The most accurate comparison is NEA from Singapore, where one stop testing for all brands under the same condition. Therefore, it will be apple to apple comparison. However Singapore unit spec can be different from what you get in Malaysia for certain brands to pass regulations and what not. But I guess, it will be logically dumb to choose a low EER unit from a high one right?

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post Jul 7 2012, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(khieni @ Jul 7 2012, 06:52 PM)
tq for the info...btw, i just purchase two unit...as per my earlier decision, mitsubishi heavy industry 1hp with ionizer n 1.5hp without ionizer...total price without installation is rm2080....reasonable price...hehe...
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I think the price is dirt cheap for inverter.


Added on July 7, 2012, 10:43 pm
QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 7 2012, 09:43 PM)
18 ft more like it. Meter think is bit to much, that is about 54ft.
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The website does say 17m with powerful mode,11m with high fan mode.

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post Jul 7 2012, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(khieni @ Jul 7 2012, 10:54 PM)
Mine one are not inverter type....

Yes, same as the catalogue, 17m with power mode........."Jetflow"
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Still it is dirt cheap. You sure it is 2080 not 2980?

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