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kadajawi
post Mar 7 2013, 07:21 PM

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I'm looking for the old Daikin FTKD25DVM, as the FTKD25GVM that replaced it (AND is more expensive) seems to be a downgrade, losing the room sensor to raise the temperature when no one is around. Basically they removed the Panasonic Econavi feature and want to charge more for the model without! Or maybe someone can enlighten me and explain why I should get that one instead?

The GVM model seems to be only for countries like Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand... DVM is reserved for Singapore etc.

Can anyone still get the better model, or am I screwed?

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post Mar 10 2013, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(miQbals @ Mar 10 2013, 11:54 AM)
I plan to to install a 2.5HP air-cond in my living hall.

Any recommendation for which brand vs performance price is okay ?

Currently thinking for York/Samsung...
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I find that at least in Malaysia Daikin is reasonably priced. Good reputation, good experiences (so far have one, another one will come soon). York... had some in showhouses that I had to work in. Not that, but I guess OK la.

As for inverter I think it depends on the dimension of the unit. Mostly inverter gives great comfort, the temperature stays constant, not jumping up and down, and there is a steady almost unnoticeable cool airflow. Won't get sick so easily. And if the room is easily cooled by the thing savings are good, the main benefit is when the aircon is not running full power. So room is isolated good enough etc. When the new air con arrives I'll use my power meter to measure consumption...
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post Mar 11 2013, 05:57 PM

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What I heard was that Daikin for Malaysia is made in Thailand, Daikin for Singapore is made in Japan... That's why Daikin is so expensive in SG.
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post Mar 11 2013, 08:33 PM

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Ok, back home, the Daikin (DVM model... yay. May have gotten the last one that anyone has in stock biggrin.gif ) 1 hp unit consumes around 30W... occasionally it rises to 300-400W. (30W is the fan working only... the old National unit used 40W when completely turned OFF). Though I have set the temperature to 28°C, so it doesn't actually have to cool that much, just enough to make me feel comfortable. My regular Sanyo fan uses 40W and is noisier... it also made me sick because it would be blowing onto my neck.

Very happy now, the old National unit was not able to even do 28°C... it would cool down to 24 or so, with a constant uncomfortable air stream. Even when set to 28°C. Temperatures would be going up and down all the time too... Inverter units are already worth their higher price tag just for the comfort they add, I'd get one even if there were no energy savings.
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post Mar 11 2013, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Mar 11 2013, 08:40 PM)
28c, is much better use ventilation fan suck air from outside and get fresh air too,  it can even go lower,  someone 25c, and occasionally is around 27±
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Not here... outside also 30°C... and you get all the mosquitoes... But yes, letting in some fresh air once in a while is a good idea.
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post Mar 12 2013, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Mar 11 2013, 09:17 PM)
28C very hot leh...i think 26C is just nice. And don't buy Panasonic air-cond...sarks wan...my unit the compressor sounds like  car engine. Noisy!!!!
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26 I'm freezing laugh.gif Hard to imagine that I lived in Finland for half a year. biggrin.gif

Tested the consumption at full blast, powerful mode (cool as much as possible): About 500W. Off it is 8W. I'm a bit disappointed by the 8W, but 500 is quite good, the previous older 1 HP unit consumed 800+...
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post Mar 13 2013, 12:06 AM

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Daikin, 1 hp inverter, the one that uses the regular gas. It's the DVM series, which had something like that EcoNavi feature. The new GVM series does without EcoNavi, and is more expensive... seems like about RM 50 more. Paid RM 1150 for the Daikin, plus installation.
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post Mar 13 2013, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(slackinux @ Mar 13 2013, 05:47 PM)
Based on Daikin Malaysia website, it is called Intelligent Eye control in Daikin. Available on all the Inverter version but not available on non Inverter version.
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Hm. Strange. Maybe I made a mistake, but I believe I saw a demo unit in a shop that was supposed to be the 1 HP GVM version. I could not see the sensor there. But I didn't check if it was the non-inverter version, so maybe that's the reason...
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post Mar 17 2013, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(mensa @ Mar 16 2013, 11:59 PM)
I want to share my exp in using hitachi aircond 1.5hp..non inverter but have high energy efficency. Most of the time i set the temp to 25..day light 24..feel comfortable and fresh. Use almost every night yet the total tnb bill around 70-80 ringgit.

http://hitachiconsumer.com.my/index.php/ai...oner#product_30
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That's quite good. I take it your room isn't too big and most of all well isolated?

I guess I am the only one with an appliance energy meter here?

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post Mar 28 2013, 01:48 PM

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Are your rooms well enough isolated? Door seals, proper windows that isolate from leakage, etc.?

It is possible to build houses where the outside temperature is -5°C and inside it is 18-20... Without a heater. Except for body heat emitted by the inhabitants. That is how good buildings can be isolated. So if your rooms are good enough you don't need to constantly cool it down. It will remain quite cool.
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post Mar 29 2013, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(Gfreak @ Mar 29 2013, 12:10 AM)
Guys

Am planning to purchase two 2hp aircond for my house. Can recommend good reliable seller and installer in pj? Planning to checkout ss2 area but not sure which shop. Would harvey norman b a good choice but they dont carry york. See that york recommended bY forumners here.

Hope can advice me

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How about Daikin? Only have good experiences with that brand. York didn't impress me that much, though I didn't own one either. But I had experienced a few new ones, and thought they were rather noisy.
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post Mar 29 2013, 11:34 AM

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Money on spares? Are they not reliable?

To be honest I just go to the cheapest shop I can find. Haven't had a problem so far. Paid around 1150 for the 1 HP Daikin with inverter, without installation.
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post Mar 31 2013, 02:44 PM

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So expensive? Daikin without inverter is around 800, with inverter 1150. Add another 150-200 for installation (for Daikin it is the same regardless of inverter or not.

Also look around, Daikin enjoys a great reputation.

Inverters are most useful in enclosed rooms where the aircon doesn't run full power all the time. At full power there are few if any savings, but if it is on, off, on, off then it saves. And is much more comfortable as the set temperature is better maintained.

Econavi saves energy by letting the temperature raise when no one is in the room for a while, like 30 minutes or so. Then it may rise by one or two degree. That does save energy, but since you are in the room all the time and probably want to keep it cool while sleeping...

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post Mar 31 2013, 03:02 PM

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I see. Not sure then, my experience so far was that those big shops overcharge (Jusco wants 1500 for the Daikin I paid 1150 for...), smaller shops specialized on aircons usually all have Daikin (in the JB area), and they can give good prices. Was usually between 1150 and 1200, so not much difference. Maybe you can go to the Daikin website and see if they list any dealer nearby? Maybe those small shops can order if they don't have ready stock?

I once had to track down an Epson printer that no shop at all seemed to have in Malaysia. In the end Epson's customer support managed to find one shop that did though, which was pretty awesome. Perhaps if everything else fails Daikin can do that for you too...

Btw., Daikin's inverter models ending on DVM have EcoNavi for sure, GVM maybe not on the 1 hp model, however I may simply have screwed up and mistakenly thought the non-inverter one is the inverter one. You won't be able to find a DVM anymore. If you do manage to get the newer GVM, then please let me know if they still have EcoNavi (it's that thing looking like an eye on the right of the unit, next to the LEDs).
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post Mar 31 2013, 06:40 PM

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Not sure, I thought so, but others say it still has (but they have higher hp ones). But for bedroom usage it's probably not so crucial, unless you tend to forget turning off your aircon.

Actually in the big shops Daikin tends to be more expensive IMHO.
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post Apr 2 2013, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(AjkR06 @ Apr 1 2013, 08:45 PM)
Just installed Panasonic Inverter 1.0HP air conditioner for my bedroom today. RM1400 inclusive installation (air cond unit, RM1200 plus installation charge of RM200 due to Inverter). Obviously I didn't bought the unit from Seng Heng which is really pricey (about RM1600++ inclusive installation). I bought the air conditioner from the shop that sells and specialize for the air conditioner unit only, not retail electrical chain stores. Can 'nego' some more  thumbup.gif  At first I was hunting for Daikin model, unfortunately they said that it might takes about TWO WEEKS to order from supplier  rclxub.gif Daikin unit much more cheaper (less RM100 than Panasonic inverter - the reason why Daikin was way cheaper is due to R22 vs R401 refrigerant applied to the compressor) But I was really impatient to wait for two weeks, then I decided to just take Panasonic Inverter since they got ready stock for that unit.


- The indoor unit seems bigger, like 1.5HP air conditioner albeit it only 1.0HP when compared to my old cheapo Mistral air conditioner.

- Installation process was like a charm. Took about 40 minutes only to dismantle my old air conditioner and replaced it with a new one. Good workmanship and installer told me his 'ups and downs' experience dealing with air conditioner installation for the past 12 years. He seems really experienced and professional installer.

- Inverter unit will costs much more money to maintain. Conventional 1.0HP ~ 1.5HP air conditioner only costs RM80 for the brief maintenance, but Inverter will costs about RM130-RM150 for the maintenance (again, due to R22 vs R401A refrigerant). He said that maintenance need to be done like once a year. Depending on the usage styles. More frequent use, need to service every 6 months.

- According to the installer, there's 'nothing special' about inverter compressor. It just a normal compressor, but with build in 'intelligent' microcomputer board to control their behaviour for not to frequently 'on---off' like conventional air conditioner. Just hope that the microcomputer board will last longer since the costs to replace that tiny unit will be pricey.

- Installer also said that you can really saves using the inverter, but with longer usage like 5 hours++ every time you turned it on.

- Faster cooling as well as quiet compressor and indoor unit noise when compared to my old air conditioner as well as my neighbour compressor unit.

- Strong breeze from the indoor unit albeit fan settings was on medium-low, hence the reason why it cools my room faster. (temp settings: 25 degree celcius)

- I still didn't managed to understand well the functions of those-so-called 'ECONAVI'...

- Overall, for the time being I'm satisfied with my 'investment' with Inverter. I understand now the phrase ' you get what you pay' - RM700 Mistral vs RM1400 Panasonic Inverter. So much different between these two air conditioner. Perhaps it just less than a day.... I just crossed my fingers  sweat.gif
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Congrats.

It's a bit weird, in JB almost every shop has Daikin, or can get it within a few days. Only electric chain stores like Courts tend to not have the brand. Maybe it comes from Singapore, where the brand seems to be much more present (TV ads, billboards, ads on taxis, ...).

Yeah, I find my unit to be pretty quiet too. Especially compared to my old unit which was literally falling apart. Had to start the fan with a stick... trying to turn it until it runs. laugh.gif

EcoNavi... as far as I understood it, works by sensing if someone is in the room (similar to those lamps that can sense if someone is moving, and then turns on). If there is no one, for a while, it lets the aircon raise the temperature. So lets say you set it to 25°C. No one is in the room, after 30 minutes the setting gets changed to 27°C. Since rooms in Malaysia are not so well isolated, energy would be wasted by trying to keep the room at 25°C if it is not needed. Once someone enters the room, the temperature setting is lowered to 25°C again.




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post Apr 2 2013, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(tedmondo @ Apr 2 2013, 03:59 AM)
Hi gurus,

Was wondering if Sharp and Mitsubishi air-cons are any good?

Thanks.
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I believe Mitsubishi Heavy Industries enjoys a great reputation together with Daikin. After that Panasonic. Then all the lesser brands. At least that's what I read when I was researching.
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post Apr 2 2013, 10:52 PM

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@stephan_f86: Have you tried the "Powerful" mode? I find that to be quite... powerful. It is noisier though cause the fan is running at full speed.
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post Apr 2 2013, 11:46 PM

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It is in Singapore, AFAIK. Maybe because they blow all the money on advertising. laugh.gif In Malaysia it is a less established brand it seems, so they offer more reasonable prices. Good for us. smile.gif
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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Apr 4 2013, 04:18 PM)
nvr heard of hisense b4.....LG doesnt seem to come to mind when it comes to aircond
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Hisense is a Chinese brand. They do many different things, a bit like Haier or Samsung. No clue if it is good... but the price does look good.

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