Moderation is the key word bro..not just for water filter but in everything we eat and drink.

NSF is just a marketing gimmick from US? I wonder why NSF has offices all over the world (nearest being Thailand) and even countries like Australia look up to NSF to provide additional certifications (on top of their own Watermark).

Be objective. Just because you are selling an item which is locally certified doesn't mean you should just brush off internationally recognised standards as 'Marketing gimmick'.

Everytime I see some 'professional opinion' attached with a brand name, I have high doubts.

Perhaps can try to debunk this study by WHO. Who? World Health Organisation.

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health...ientschap12.pdf

Quote from the conclusion paragraph - "Demineralised water that has not been remineralized, or low-mineral content water – in the light of the absence or substantial lack of essential minerals in it – is not considered ideal drinking water, and therefore, its regular consumption may not be providing adequate levels of some beneficial nutrient"

How do you define 'safer level'? 80%? 70%? The truth is chlorine content in water varies in different areas. If your area is near the treatment plant, then definitely the chlorine level in your water is higher compared to houses in area further downstream. Chlorine will evaporate over time.

Also, its never recommended to remove chlorine directly from POE as chlorine-free water will be prone to bacteria growth, especially if you have a water tank where the water will be stored for a period of time.

My advise: POE to remove physical sediments and rust and POU to remove chemical properties.

I understand that as a salesman, you will champion your product and thinking it to be the best. From the way you are writing, its very obvious. An extremely normal occurrence as your superiors will always say to have faith that your product is the best. However, at times I do hope people do some research and not believe blindly.

"evaporate to a 'safer level' about 0.2 ppm" - Any research or statistics done on this? How can you be sure? As I mentioned, chlorine concentration in water is different at a variety of places.

By the way, WHO recommends MINIMUM of 0.2ppm (or mg/L, whichever way to put it). WHO guideline value is 5mg/L, a point which you mentioned in a previous post as "Horrible" if its in the range of 2.0 - 5.0ppm. I do not remember coming across a "safe level" recommendation in WHO's report. Minimum level is definitely not equivalent to safer level.

http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2011...51_eng.pdf?ua=1
The complete WHO drinking water standards, believe me I have gone through it as I am from this industry as well. 500+ pages

Nothing personal, just sharing. Please do not get me wrong as I am not saying your product is bad, but would like to highlight that your arguments are invalid.

Your reply certainly sounds like a personal confrontation. Since I have free time due to the long weekend, lets begin. The paragraph is rather hard to read so I will break it down.

thanks for reply.well you ask for any research or statistics done on this?yes!!of course.we are only company done local research and development (R&D) in Malaysia because its very important to have local R&D to know what the problem with water source in Malaysia and how to solve it. - You should provide supporting documents to convince fellow forumers here. Furthermore your statement is rather strong and saying that you are the 'only'? Strong claims there. Just look at the market and how many brands claim to be 'No.1 in Korea'. Sometimes I wonder how many Korea there is ..Will be good if you can provide some technical details. Something like a NSF report maybe? Or even the local R&D report you were referring to.


we are in here for 40 years and have 43 branches across the country.- Plenty of world renowned brands have been around longer and honestly, I know of local brands with more service center and availability too, not sure why this is brought up. But nevertheless, 43 branches across the country are quite a good coverage and should be able to serve most urban areas.


i dare you to compare our water filter product to any other water filter in the market because every country has their own water issue so does in Malaysia which they use excessive amount of chlorine in water to prevent growth of bacteria and viruses . they use about 5ppm chlorine on water plant and when its reach your residential area its become in as low as 1.9 but the WHO recommended 0.2ppm only. - This is where I got extremely interested to reply to your comment. Dare me to compare? Compare in what situation and which parameters? Don't be like a typical salesman and say your product is the best and perfect one. Every product has its pros and cons. I have worked with two renowned companies, top 10 in the world and even we dare not say any of our products are perfect. By the way you do realise 5ppm is the guideline value stated by WHO right? The point is, how we know it is filtered down to and maintained at 0.2ppm after using your filter? If you can prove this, I think your outdoor filter can be a winning product.


people must know how dangerous is chlorine to human body especially the children.back in the days,people drink and shower in good water where the are get natural mineral that should have in water but now days because of old piping,rapid development,industry pollution,outdated reservoir and treatment plants the water getting worse than before.i'm not lie but this are the ugly truth. - No one said you lie nor did I ever say your product is bad.

Again I appreciate that you are replying.

Exactly what I am pissed off about too. All the salesman here are just feeding needless and unnecessary information. Can't they be more professional?

I come up with perfectly legit challenges to their claims and then they just.....disappear.

So many MLM brands in the market, the only one I can trust is Amway but its too costly for me haha. So far the 3M filter been serving me well, second time replacing the cartridge already.

By the way, want to ask if any sifu here using mixer taps for their filter? Am thinking of using a hot/cold/filtered water mixer for my new house so it looks more neat. Is there any brand you will recommended? Am looking at HCE to pair with my 3M filter.

Definitely can't connect hot water to water filter. Most filters will have a temperature range in which they can operate in, the water temperature that is. It is part of a requirement and I believe it is stated in the NSF certification too.

There is one model from HCE but I cant recall the model..looks very good and classy. The RRP is about RM1k

Its obvious he registered just to mention the product...must be salesman

Why would someone curse their own family?

Nothing against the sellers here but I always recommend buying models which has local support team. Nowadays many items can be easily imported into Malaysia, water filters included. I do know big brands have a list of items for each country, and by importing/buying a model not intended for your country, you will not get the technical support.

In this case for 3M water filters, I suggest calling up 3M Malaysia and asking them which models do they carry locally so you know you can get proper product support if you face issues or need to buy replacement.

Pretty sure most of us have experienced where we buy an item only to realise that we can no longer find any spare parts or replacement after only a couple of years.