Tohsan,

1) Chinese Independent High School is PRIVATE.

2) It does not cost that much.

<<u still take the spm examination or some o'level but thats for rich kid only,>>

3) You can choose to take UCC exam instead.

4) For student with good UPSR result, the tuition fee is waived.

Dreamer

You got a point there. Crunch lower secondary into 2 years, and another 2 for upper secondary.

And even primary education. 5 years should be enough. Remember PTS?

Abolish UPSR and replace it with an exam based on understanding rather than memorizing.

Abolish PMR and use student's record as a way to recommend which streams the students should go to, and give wider broader subject choice for form 4 and 5, especially on the arts part, and also science. (This country is too focus on science, but even the science subjects don't have that many choices.)

Keep SPM and give more choices and free choices for it, lessen the core subjects to like 3, BM, BI, Maths. Let people choose freely whether they want pure arts, or pure science, no mixing science into arts. + Take a high evaluation of kokurikulum as well.

Abolish STPM, Matriculation and all those Pre-U just let people go into college straight like American style. Easier.

This post has been edited by Iliveunderwater: Jun 22 2010, 05:01 PM

Abolish PMR but retain UPSR.

Reason: UPSR is good for gauging performances during the six years of primary study. Like what most forummers have said, it acts as a motivational force to make students work hard to achieve sth.Thus it is still good to retain it.
PMR is typically used to determine whichever stream you will be going into, It is of no longer serve any purposes, because, usually the weak one ( Or those who have score low grades in Sciences subjects were thrown into arts streams.)But if PMR be abolished,no more this stupid selection for entrance into whatever streams, They will be at least given a chance to work hard for form 4 and form 5 to catch up with their sciences . Nothing if impossible since they have 2 years to prove that they are capable in dealing with sciences, and more importantly, Yes, they do have the interest in doing sciences.

so, why have to abolish PMR? I believe the reason is simply there.

This post has been edited by OMG!: Jun 22 2010, 07:53 PM

UPSR should be abolished...serves no purpose because enrollment in form 1 is automatic. However PMR should not be abolished. Although enrollment in form 4 is automatic, PMR is a standardized way to stream a student into science or arts. If the final exam was merely school based, than there would be a variety of difficulty levels in the exams. This will cause students to not be able to be streamed into their respective stream appropriately.

Now that I pass through those stage, I don't agree.. LOL
Anyway.. abolishing those exams brings no benefit. If abolish PMR, it will be harder to divide into streams.

Just use evaluation of school records la from the past 3 years (form 1 - form 3) to divide them into arts/science stream instead of the memorizing type of exam for nothing to divide them. True or not? Since nobody looks at PMR results anyway after spm. True or not?

This post has been edited by Iliveunderwater: Jun 22 2010, 10:20 PM

It will be very hard for students to change schools then. We all know that a vast number of students will enroll themselves in sklh asrama penuh or teknik school. So if the exam is not standardized, how can we judge. Some schools might give a very easy paper to boost their results graph. Some might an extremely tough paper which many will not obtain their desired grades. Best way is to standardize them all. If pmr is abolished and school records are used, premier schools such as VI will give a very very tough paper while other new schools will give a much much easier paper. Worst still if the student is inconsistent in the 3 years of evaluation. If he gets a good-bad-good-bad result, how are we to sort them?

Certainly no.
How do we measure ones academic level then?

Why so strict? Give them freedom to choose instead. No need to sort. Make the sorting as just a recommendation. But the problem is right now is that Malaysia's system only divide things in 2 streams, science and arts. Very unflexible, I thought if we're going to be developed then we're suppose to have more freedom in things. What we can do is then make form 4 and form 5 to more than just science and arts. Make it something more flexible like college/uni where you can choose subjects based on your interest instead of only dividing things into science or arts stream. Give freedom to choose subjects regardless of whether it's arts or science or all mixed up. I think that's how the american SAT is. You don't have to be rigid and stuck in one end or the other only, that's old school. Better follow american system, more flexible and more freedom and a one step ahead. If follow rigid british system, very old school and will make us go back to where we started, just that it will be PMR SPM with a different format thats all. Nothing new.

I, for one, fail to see the advantage of PMR. It'd be much nicer if there's no streaming. What's arts and sciences students? It's so redundant for students to be asked to follow certain streaming, to choose a 'stream' with fixed 'choice' of subjects at a quite young age (which'd possibly affect their future undertakings). Wouldn't it be nice if students at secondary level are given the chance to pick the subjects that they're going to study, mix and match em to suit their passion? Not to mention the societal/parental stigma & expectation of each of the arts and sciences stream hence the burden it poses on the students.
For UPSR, its justified I guess to have a centralized exam after the end of primary years, as it is relevant to have SPM as the centralized exam marking the end of secondary years.
My verdict: Reshuffle the whole education system, esp the lower secondary level, and abolish PMR alongside the streaming system.

But looking at the state of Malaysia right now, that'd be wishful thinking at its best...

After reading it, yes i do see your point now. Its true that students should be given the independence to choose their subjects later at f4 and f5 levels. However, such a system already exist, apart from being a science student, one can choose to take an art subject such as economics, or accounts. And an arts student can choose physics, bio, chem or all 3. Its about the same as letting them choose their own courses, but the basic is science stream with private art subjects, or arts stream with private science subjects...bout the same. One advantage is that if PMR is abolished and the gov decided to give student their independence to choose like coll or uni, there will not be anymore private candidates, no doubt abt that.so why not use PMR, as a base to sort out the students according to their capabilities? If your a good science student, then you will be streamed into science stream with the option of taking 1,2 or even 3 art subjects and vice versa.

Abolish them, why not ?

As i think, most 'good and qualified; school are more concerned about the student's school academic result but not low level government examination.

During my secondary school time, even u've got straight A's in UPSR
but they still ask for the academic result @ standard 5 & 6 for ur admission
I heard that my former secondary school is no longer taking the UPSR's result as admission, u din fulfill the requirement? Take the matriculation/entrance examination.

every year, so many student came out with straight A's in UPSR and PMR

all of them are applying for those 'outstanding school', and most of them got declined .

public examination sometimes came out simply easy, and it's not fair for those who 've prepared for quite a long time.
And 1 more thing, invigilator usually just sleep inside the classroom/hall during examination.
Everyone can just simply cheats inside the exam . Lol !
【Although some might did in school exam as well】

All of us which had already experienced from the examination might felt the unfairness as well. We did hear a lot of weird marking scheme given.
Just show some instance, due to my experience.

1) Teacher sympathize with the plead wordings inside the paper, he/she gave an A grade to the student although the student not even qualified with a B grade

2) Frustrated for marking the papers for whole day, simply just grade the remaining papers due to the length of words.

These are the holes of the examination, and it just because too much burden on a teacher. However, SPM is unavoidable, because everyone will be looking on the SPM 's result. Our parents always mentioned, even u work as a fast food counter, need SPM as well.

{not to devaluate anyone of here, sorry }

PMR might be the way of dividing their future stream, but y don't we just let the student to choose art / science stream by their own ?
If let say they may regret after choosing art stream when they've grown up. Due to the system now, i think they are not able to choose the science courses for their tertiary studies, not even foundation. Just suggesting, can college/institute may can prolong the [foundation in science]
Normally, student will be studying this cert for 9 months, why not a 1.5 years or longer period for them to prepare ?
Everyone will be influenced by the words: " Science can change to art easily, but art hardly/impossible to change to Science's."
"Science has a wider field to study", persuading many students who not eligible for science suffer for quite some time.
Why it has such streaming system existed? And , i found that, many of the science student would be looking down on the art student, it is more significant when science student found that their academic result is lower than the art's 1, keep blaming that art course is relatively easier. zZ

Due to some school policy, marks will be given just like uni's coursework mark ( homework, attendance, quiz, presentation, etc). It alerts student to stick to their work progress from time to time, but not just skip all the classes, ignore all the assignments, aim for the public exam.
Get into further studies, ruin the whole things up.

Although some might think, the final result i get , is not really the actual marks i get in the paper, some may got a high course mark but with a lousy final result. Yet, from the mind of educator (me as well): Learning is a path to discover the way to study. The most important thing is to ensure that you are keep on studying, but not getting the good results ONLY. 学习是学习如何学习。
This has been brought to argumentation quite some time. Why everyone of us just concerning the MARKS ? Contradicting with the initial value of studying . lol .

~ Out of Topic ~, haha.

Time to generate new education system . .

This post has been edited by ShiningForce: Jun 24 2010, 07:27 PM

Exams are one way to separate the mediocre students from the bright ones. The purpose of exams are to assess and evaluate students in their academic performance.

Some say exam-oriented study systems are no longer practical in today's world. This only apply for certain Arts students. On the other hand for Science stream students, excelling in exams are of major importance. Imagine a Science stream students who is all-rounded with good public speaking skills, active in sports, etc but who can't achieve good results in exam. Can such a student cope in science-related degrees?

No matter how good you are, you still have to practice. Play more and your results will drop. Just like me. =D

This post has been edited by Psychology: Jun 25 2010, 11:57 PM

Wait, I've skimmed through the thread up to this point, and nobody seemed to have mentioned anything about foreign education systems yet? (because usually people tend to compare with our neighbour down there)



Leave the tests maybe, but please no more worshipping straight As and only straight As, and please let our children study at peace.
Oh and please take oral test results into account.

oral test results are already taken into acc bro..when u receive ur spm cert, u get all your oral certs as well

Wah lau eh this one. Power. I don't agree with abolishing STPM and Matriculation/Pre-U, but rather standardize it. Matric 1 year, enter uni do degree. STPM 1.5 years, wait result 0.5 years, only enter uni do degree. What bull is this man...

@falcon16: The oral test conducted internally... Maybe can consider external assessment like MUET. Oh, and talk about MUET... *no eye see*

I voted NO!!

Those exams should not be abolish. UPSR and PMR is the best year I ever had, spending time with friends studying and playing a lot as well.

I believe UPSR, PMR AND SPM (off-topic)...should be retained, but thoroughly reveiwed and changed so As will be difficult to get through pure memorisation, something that will make them think criticallyand showthat they really learnconcepts that were being thaught.

When reviewing the examination souldbe done by experts even foreign experts as the world is getting more globalised. Once the the review is done it should be presented, if there is satifaction in vast majority of interest group (parents, teachers, companies, universities, academic , BM rights group, pro-English group etc...) it should set and should never be reverted back, but altered slightly to iron out mistakes that were unforseen even by experts who help alter the examination.

The concept of setting english for maths and science was a good move in my opinion, but the way it was implemented was done poorly tomakeit worsewas that the policy was revertedback making it a waste ofmoneyh to train the teachers to teach in english andmaking new text books. Hopefully this mistake wont happen again

Also more emphasis should be put in extra curriculum activities, when it comes to Pre-U or University entry. It should help select students who are good at implemention instead of memorisation. It should also help alittle bit in finding potential athletes.

Though UPSR and PMR are not needed for pre-U and Uni entry, it should help them get used to examination condition and help prepare them.

This is my opinion