Oh thats just an example (not related to exam question at all).
I choose P4 & P6 all taken at KL centres (Sunway too far away & its quite costly compared to market prices).
Seems i have only 2 exam papers left only i just simply take the 2 most difficult to test my comprehension.
Have you ever taken any papers outside sunway ?

If you want to pursue something you may need to ask yourself these 3 question ?
1) Your interest (please don't choose purely because of money)
2) Your job security & prospect (safety, pay, promotion......)
3) Your capability & skills (Ie : if you have good memory & oratory skills you can become lawyer)

Passion is very short termism in my opinion, I don't really recommend anyone to accountancy unless they are very sure of their objective & dedicated to it. Accountancy generates one of the highest job diversification (you switch to other professions). My opinion alone will not be enough for your consideration, why not you attend the upcoming EDU FAIR which will be held this weekend at KLCC. Maybe you can gain more info there.

Hmm i agree Parmindar is more suitable in teaching P3 than P1 (although i also have not attended his P1 class).
P1 core are was segregrated into 4 main sections :
- Corporate governance
- ethics
- environmental issues
- internal audit & internal control

With the exception of audit area actually any lecturer can teach P1 thats why we have a lot of lecturer around teaching it, Mco (1), KB (2), KSA (2), FTMS (1)....... Actually i have just discovered how useful & important P1 is in other paper as well. It seems examiner purpotedly reserve 10 hidden marks in every professional paper with issue related to P1, example :

P2 : Touch on ethical arguments related to creative accounting
P3 : Touch on performance relaed pay
P4 : Ethical issue of share options / leaseback proposed

I don't know about other papers so its left for you to check it out . By the way the answer script for Dec 08 exam is already out.

Me too . (but only some paper have answers ready while others still pending)
No point scaring myself to death over something uncertain.
Anyway the answer is already "sunk" cannot change the past already.

Is it necessary to overstudy ?
Since i have taken P6 do i have to buy the examiner published book Richard Thornton or CKF book on malaysian tax ? NAH
BPP has make it in one of their recommendations not to overstudy (by reading too many books), maybe it is their marketing strategy hmm.......
My mother always try to impose commercial example on me , internal conrols of her company (i fed up try to explain to her practical exmple is very different from what we learned for exam, she of course never listened ).

I should be going to my P4 i few minutes , dang its raining again . I was soaked wet when i get back yesterday.

This post has been edited by Topace111: Jan 6 2009, 04:49 PM

I can throw some reasons if you claim why you are perplexed why CKF class is only "30" :
1) He is very famous but he had stop teaching for few sessions (look at keith farmer : use to be the top reporting lecturer)
2) Optional class itself is self explanatory : it is not core paper innit. Last time finance is core paper & the lecturer like daniel ho can have around
300 students but now its optional it shrink to roughly 30.
3) Late confirmation (everybody have already registed for other paper / lecturer)
4) You think everyone can afford sunway ?
5) You think everyone live near sunway ? (its not even accessible through LRT)
6) You think everyone chooses tax as their optional paper ?
7) And the most important of all why does it concern you if the class is only 30, do you want it to be 300 instead (you like to study in crowded env ?)

I always had my scepticsm (something i get from audit) when somebody informed CKF will be running full time class in sunway.
If he is not teaching full time i understand why sunway may be reluctant to disclose the full info. (biz stategy something i learned from my P3).
I wonder what happened to those "30" that registered ?

By the way i received email from acca confirming that they will change the "6 month rule based" to "1 year / annual rule based"
The reason : give longer time for student to prepare for changes of syllabus


This post has been edited by Topace111: Jan 7 2009, 11:37 AM

I copy this from my mail :
Please note that there are important changes relating to ACCA’s rule to update examinable documents.

What is the change?
ACCA used to update examinable documents every six months which meant changes to documents for June exams had to be made and communicated by 30 November of the previous year and for December exams, 31 May of the same year. Going forward, ACCA will update examinable documents on an annual basis.

For paper-based exams regulation issued or legislation passed on or before 30 September, will be assessed from 1 June of the following year to 31 May of the year after. Therefore, paper-based exams in June 2009, December 2009 (and March 2010 for Russian DipIFR only) will be assessed on regulations issued and legislation passed on or before 30 September 2008.

The above rule applies to all papers and paper versions with the exception of taxation papers in Hong Kong, Singapore and Zimbabwe.

Regulation issued or legislation passed in accordance with the above dates may be examinable even if the effective date is in the future.

For more detail on all papers and computer-based exams you should refer directly to the examinable documents and syllabus study guides within the student and affiliate section of ACCA's website.
This change is applicable to all of ACCA’s qualifications; ACCA Qualification, CAT Qualification, DipFM and DipIFR.

When will this change come into effect?
Unless otherwise indicated by the examinable documents for the June 2009 exam session. Therefore the closing deadline for changes to examinable documents was 30 September 2008. These examinable documents will be relevant for June and December 2009 exam session.

As a student, how do I benefit from this rule change?
The major benefits are you will now have longer to prepare for the exams and increased clarity and assurance as to what will be examinable at each exam session.

What are examinable documents and syllabus study guides?
The syllabuses for ACCA’s range of qualifications are based on and make reference to a range of materials including legislation, standards, exposure draft and interpretations. Any changes to these types of documents will now have to be communicated by 30 September of each year if they are to be examined in June or December of the following year.

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Added on January 7, 2009, 1:43 pmNow thats a better confirmation, what are the odds of another tax lecturer with the same acronym of Choong KF (Ha Ha).
Its like one of of my friend bragging to his old class mates.
She have an OBU see, so she mentioned she have an "Oxford" degree without mentioning the "brookes" so you get the idea.
I have surveyed some of my optional friends as well but majority of them will probably seriously considering joining CKF* if he is teaching at SEGI
There are also 2 Mr Chow at MCO for that matter

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Added on January 7, 2009, 1:48 pmI am not offended at the very least I just found it funny when somebody feel uneasy about small classes. After experiencing some really "famous lecturer" i found enourmous class brings more misery than the purported hype. Perhaps you will know what i mean when you come to there as well. Perhaps going to menon class will open your eyes.
I think everyone make mistake if not they already got 100 in their "acca" don't you think

This post has been edited by Topace111: Jan 7 2009, 01:48 PM

The best law lecturer in Kl is Viknes. Many lecturer have tried to teach and failed. Evidently they have the knowledge but are unable to spread the meassage to the student. He can make law the most interesting paper (even that is an understatement)

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Added on January 7, 2009, 10:49 pmHow about you ?
I thought you also want to take tax bcos of him ?

This post has been edited by Topace111: Jan 7 2009, 10:49 PM

By the way i just received student direct from acca (email)
I try to scour through the content & find something very interesting to share but first to changes in papers :
- P3 has a major change
- touch something important on CAT transition
- something do do with P4 & P6

By the way when i scour the optional paper I discovered that P4 had the least student & Its prize winner is only around 77.
This is the content if you wish to browse through :
http://newsweaver.co.uk/accastudent/e_arti...dVR5Kv,b9TmSkm5

The popularity of optional papers is in this order :
1) P7 = 5635 student
2) P5 = 4314
3) P6 = 3336
4) P4 = 2511

Well i seriously think Viknes is the best F4 lecturer (not P1). There are many other lecturers around but he is considered one of the most experienced around (if not the most experienced). I have only taken 2 paper at KSA in my entire acca life (Viknes & parmindar) as both of these lecturer is those you cannot miss. No wonder in this forum for F4 & P3 there is only 1 lecturer recommended for each of that paper.
Currently Viknes is teaching at KB.
I don't know about other lecturer but majority of my friends claim Viknes is the best for teaching F4.

About why he left KSA there are plenty of rumours are flying around but i heard from a close friend that its because of the matter with principle not financial factor. It seems that KSA has hired another F4 lecturer without his knowledge & he just learnt about it after KSA has announced it in website. Well if your boss hire another worker who can do your job how do you feel ? At first i thought the new lecturer was a replacement but actually its the second lecturer for the same paper. I heard Joe fang is also not that happy when Keith farmer was introduced. Miss Goh also left i think.

Anyone looking for the best lecturer should view the lecturers recommended at the first page of the forum. Anyone not mentioned doesn't mean they are not good but perhaps unable to garner enough support. I still remember one of my P3 stuff on Kotler research. He researched that satisfied customer will spread the news to 3 person while unhapppy customer will spread to 11 person. Perhaps now you will see how hard is it to be the sole recommended lecturer for F4. Even when i ask lecturer from other college they also agreed viknes is the best in the field of law.

I am quite happy if there is more competent lecturer around .
However after just one class you can already make a full summary of her teaching experience (i'm really impressed ).
Normally i summarise the lecturer's performance after s(he) finished the syllabus.

Viknes does have some bad attitudes which i think its already mentioned in the post above. I am also left fuming when he did not finished f4 syllabus in my seating but reflect in overall he is considered better than most lecturer out there. However i do admit he is quite notorius in bad mouthed people, in fact some lecturers in KSA also have the same attribute. Parmindar also crash on FTMS once a while but share a good friendship with Daniel Ho.

This post has been edited by Topace111: Jan 8 2009, 02:50 PM

i am currently attending P4 at daniel Ho & after surveying around from ex andrew student they think daniel ho is better in overall :
- daniel class is very relaxed & at steady pace.
- He followed step by step approach
- You can ask as many question as you want & nobody is there to "shush" you away. The class normally throw around 20 questions at him & he never complained & still make jokes somemore.
- I ask from ex andrew student & all of them claim andrew teach theory by highlighting the key point and ask them to go back home and read.
Maybe he already changed in your seating .

Currently daniel is the only lecturer speciallised in finance so he can share a lot of techniques to student. Andrew is considered more generalised in management & finance

This post has been edited by Topace111: Jan 8 2009, 03:03 PM

I have taken my add math in school & its very unrelated to acca.
However there are some areas are useful for finance & performance management (however these areas are more applicable in practical sense)
Add maths are more related to engineering especially calculus part the backbone of engineering. If fact even my a/cs in SPM cannot help much (its only relevant for lower level reporting & very brief on tax). Accounting in SPM only touch on the intro of the introduction of acca. (not even 0.5% of the entire syllabus)

Don't worry what you know before joining acca rather what you will do after it, many student come with inflated ego & self created illusion after their "excellent" SPM result but failed at the final hurdle. If you have zero knowledge its best to start with CAT (you cannot enter acca anyway with just spm).

the msot important is to find lecturer who will assumed student have zero knowledge in class. I think Mco & FTMS practice that style whilst KSA focused more on exam / past year (generally speaking)

The issue of immediate family can be tested on leave passage as well.
If you have any uncertainty about tax you should check the public ruling (which can be easily downloaded / viewed)
According to public ruling Alan yeo is right but the ruling only state the rule applied if the person is married.

The ruling is evidently silent on "non-married" people. It is generally accepted assumption that your parent will be the closest living relative hence immediate family. I have approached siva with this question & since he has marked acca papers before tax had many ambiguities since examiner followed different text books (hence many different theories) therefore you must know your examiner. Therefore you should state your assumptions very clearly (this normally happenned in P6 not F6). If i am not mistaken F6 examiner is a malay woman in malaysia (kinda forget her name already)

F4 doesn't need student to explain much just have to memorise the content.
If the ask the same question the answer will be 99.99% copied from past seating.
If you have very powerful memory to memorise all and answer accordingly, its very likely you will pass.
Can't say that for newly introduced area like torts or corporate governance.

However when comes to F5 & F8 then you have a real problem.
Professional level is even more demanding especially P1 & P3.

You can really consider parmindar at KSA if you don;t mind the class size it can get to 125 at at normal class and 250 at combined class.

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Added on January 10, 2009, 9:59 amI agree with your view.
I had seen countless times student older than me in the class regret their strategy to self study in their paper.
Well they have wasted their money in exam (they thought they can save it on lecturer cost, transportation.......)
At the end they turn up to become the most hardworking student at class.
This is what they normally share :

1) The flexibility : With 6 months to study for any given paper (let say take up 2 paper). One must need very high level of discipline to study accordingly with the syllabus. There will be many distraction & temptations on the way and student must keep focus. Therefore younger & inexperienced student will normally fail in this criteria.

2) Focus : This is the biggest issue unknown to most that self study. They will not know which is the "main area" and may focus wrongly on area which may not even tested before by examiner. I had known plenty of degree students who want to try out acca professional level / part 3 on themselves first but learn it hte hard way later when what they learned for exam is totally different from what is tested. I can disclose theor marks if you guys don't ind (averagely its less than 20).

3) Actually there are many more factors highlighted by acca magazien but i revealed the most important one. The technic of exam.
I can almost guarantee that student will not pick up what examiner really want in those text book. they may make a very glaring flaw and don't even realise it. As such they may come out at exam hall briming with pride but at result day crying with agony.
F6 : I don't think you can learn all in text book (almost suicide by learning by yourself)
F8 : Can self study but there are many technics not mentioned by book but highly important in exam : wording using SP or TOC.
P2 : The exam just state the marks for each standard but silent on how to get it. Student may just calculate without explaining (since exam never mentioned explanation). So student may just get 1 mark out of 5.

This post has been edited by Topace111: Jan 10 2009, 09:59 AM

Oh this really spooks me out
Thankfully i already passed F4 long time ago & won't be drag to such skirmishes.

I don't think lecturers with overblown class will come here. Perhaps those seeking to expand its market share will

I am asking for a friend.
How hard / the difficulty level of getting A / B / C in OBU project ?