I think you are speaking from ignorance as your statement clearly implied that you never step foot outside of sunway and its quite ill-advised to talk something without supported by facts or research.

The term "spot" is hardly relevant since most lecturer in advance level rarely spot & teach everything to student & let the students to decide on their own course of study. The spotting may be relevant in revision session but i don't think you mentioned that in your statement.
Kl lecturers definitely lacks the time & resources compared to full time sunway lecturers so they focus on key principles & core data. Student will have to find their own mode of study since :
1) No homework is given.
2) very few questionnaires
This may teach student to become self independent & reduce reliance on lecturer (although many may not). What you mentioned above in sunway teaching methods is also unofficialy known as "spoon-feeding" and lectures in these level should not be so in the first place as students have to strice on their own.

I recommend you to try these 2 lecturer : haneef & parmindar & decide whether they teach or spot. You may be surprised like you have never been before. At least thats what most sunway students that take at Kl centres told me.

The best way to issue FIRST statement is always based on facts not opinion since the former will dictate how the rest of the proceeding goes.
However there are some of the recommended lecturers are notorious spotter as well but only in revision session dealing with mostly with theory papers like F8, P1 & P3. You won't find many lecturers spot in other areas as its quite damaging if wrong & no rewards for correct estimation.

Spotting normally acts as last resort for certain students especially those who have failed before or studying part time which they may lack time to prepare for studies. I think most part time student avoid sunway bcos of this. For stubborn people like me who never trust anyone tips but my own finds these lecturer tips & spots are best left as personal reference rather than key recipe for success.

But i agree this issue is quite trifle to debate to begin with.

This post has been edited by Topace111: Mar 29 2009, 09:19 PM

The 2 in 1 degree serves like dual package since substantial area in both field are related to each other so they can relate. It gives slight edge compared to normal degrees due to versatility. The reasoning behind it may also due to professional qualification like acca is also like a/c + finance
& a/c + biz = cima or sort. Some uni like SEGI claims that their a/c + finance degree are the only degree in MYS that gives maximum exemption to ICAEW. True or not I may not know.

Finance is not available to student at lower level as it was considered an advance programme so you will never find diploma in finance anywhere.
The transition you mentioned will be difficult & its also the reason I rejected the oppurnity to do such degree especially twinning programmes to Uk or australia.

When you have your CPA it doesn't make sense to have acca since both are quite similar just different version like penang curry & johor curry.
One more thing if you do pusue CPA, the students there will tell you ACCA is for losers & if you enter ACCA it will be the other way around. Having either of them is quite enough.

I agree with your statement here & i like the coke analogy.
I think every individual deserves the right to exam & any sort of ban is nothing short of infringement of human rights.
I also like another post above mentioning something about battlefield. I perceive acca as something in opposite actually which i will not mention here.
The funny thing about mock is that I always tend to achieve better in simulation compared to than actual one. How ironic it seems.
Perhaps failure in mock can drive that particular student to even greater hight (a sort of motivation speech I read somewhere).

Finally I can conclude my findings about "Lecturers" after few months of research which I dare not reveal earlier due to lack of data. Ok here we go.
The issue of experience , capability, qualification, popularity, pass rates, race, fees structure, location will have to take backseat to the ultimate factor, synergy.

Ok I will use 4 lecturers for 2 different papers tested with 4 different students to illustrate :
First theory paper so I use P3 : Parmindar & Michael Mainwaring
Both lecturer are have proven track record with heavy pedigree as well. However both of them have a very distinctive way of lecturing.
After hanging out with several friends (for P3 its mostly girls) I have encountered some of them cannot adapt to parmindar style of giving several model as an answer to a question. The linkage use between model also confuse them as well. Boys (em hem) whom majority have good memory power doesn't find these a problem so they are comfortable with it but majority of the girls find it rather cumbersome.

Some of them tried out michael mainwaring for revision & find out he is completely different as he teach 1 model for 1 answer instead of parmidar way of giving as many examples as possible. One of them also point out m.m use a more direct & simple approach which suited them more. So after few more narration it erupt into lecturer war which I am stuck in the middle. Support the girls the boys branded me a traitor, supporting the boys the girls branded me as "ungentleman" whtever that means so i left after reconcile.

Next on calculational paper so I use P2 : Haneef & Yap Kok Wah.
Both are very experienced lecturer but have different focus & style. Haneef is more interested in the theoretical part & lecture based on Int stream.
Yap is more interested in calculational part & lecture based on MYS stream. In the past i will quickly recommend the former lecturer but after some few discussion with another group of friends I have also arrived at the synergy conclusion.

These time I start from 2 different girl. One who fail under Haneef but passed under yap while the other one is the opposite.
The first girl have studied under haneef for quite some time but still fail with reasons unknown to her (she is quite hardworking too). Then she just decided to follow another lecturer & decided to join her close friend who attend yap class. After that she passed the exam. It seems that although Yap is not perfect but the methods suit her more than the previous lecturer.
Another girl whom is also smart & harworking also failed but under yap she finds the method quite inadequate for exam purpose. So she decided to follow haneef & finally pass the exam with flying colours as well since she finds haneef method fills the gaps of her previous lecturer methods.

Ultimately the choice of lecturer lies on the student itself. There will be never one universal lecturer whom suits all expectations & needs.
If you want the best recommendation try out the lecturer yourself and make your own review. Thats thousand times better indicator compared to experienced lecturer or world class university.

This post has been edited by Topace111: Mar 31 2009, 01:25 AM

Humility is King Like what Sun Tzu always said "All Warfare is based on deception".

I never attend chan class so wait for further post.
About daniel Ho he don't spot like other lecturers do but prioritise the area by giving ranking. Important topic = 3 stars, less important = 1 star (you get the picture). All finance lecturer have different aprroach & technique to exam like andrew pang drills students on many different questions so that student can memoris & facilitate with the flow.
About Daniel Ho is that his technique in revision is almost the same in normal class where he focus on doing questions. Before starting on questions he will teach the basics & theory first. His technique is quite unique as its quite consistent & flexible where you can gain all the minimum & easy marks before moving to harder part of the question. Cant say he is perfect though but he is very patient in teaching the difficult stuff so students can digest them. A lot of ex-andrew class in daniel also appreciate his technique.
I think he has the largest market share for current P4 finance students.

I think what she meant is that sunway lecturer is "not good enough" if compared with "some" of Kl reputable lecturers.
I don't know about funadamental papers but come to advance level the lecturer inability to teach will be more evident than ever & this separates the quality & good. We always measure a leader in terms of crisis not when in peace & as in pilot capability when there is emergency not when on auto-pilot. Some of KL lecturers have so many years of experience in teaching acca that their name is almost synanamous with the paper itself.

When I enquire big 4 auditors on how they come to these lecturers most of them will say its recommendation from their fellow auditor.
For PWC & EY students can be bonded with sunway for acca studies yet these student rather fork out their own money to find "even better" lecturer.
In the first place this forum is to meant to recommend lecturer not centre. From what i can see in these forum only 2 sunway student whom is evident enough that does it, one who support the lecturer compared to the uni while the the other remain independent. I myself criticise every centre i have been through be it KSA, MCO, FTMS or KB but its the lecturers inside which i am more interested with.

FTMS has released their timetable very early even before 2n term commence to serve as guideline with other college.
FCK class is at May 11 (6.30pm to 9.30 pm) May 12 & 13 (10am to 5pm). or you can download here :
http://www.ftmsglobal.com/downloads_timeta...09_Revision.pdf

Not really a favourite topic but it seems a very sensitive & controversial one. Best to remain neutral .
Like old Karpal vs the entire Govt : wouldn't that be a sight to behold
It seems martin windle also join phillip to teach P3

This post has been edited by Topace111: Apr 1 2009, 05:08 PM

Actually this forum meant to recommend lecturers not centres. The original intention is to help those who are studying in KL looking for good lecturers as they all supposed to know there is no perfect centre so "lecturer-based" is introduced. Few years back with sunway is still in early acca introduction stage, there is little choice but to select based on lecturer. Even TAR back then with a large pool of acca student (also platinum) openly criticise their lecturer & choose KL lecturers instead (I think the site is called Tarafa or something if anyone wants reference).

Sunway students have the luxury & capacity to stick with sunway until finish their acca. But remember not everyone can AFFORD it or WILLING or UNRATIONAL enough to spend so much for something they can get EQUALLY GOOD / BETTER with a FRACTION of EXPENSES. From so many sunway students i see in Kl most don't like their uni fee structure at all. Accountant needs to weigh the cost-benefit factor as well.

Like a food analogy my friend tought me. Let say Secret Recipe got an award for tomyam noodle & its the only tomyam noodle you ever taste. So you will defend this point until you have taste something equvalent or better. If anyone claimed the SR noodle is nothing then you will defend it vehemently either due to ignorance or protecting your own image. Compared with someone who is old enough to taste all the tomyam noodles he can find he will open his own blog & recommend you where to find it & the quality is up for you to decide but since it has been tasted by many people, chances is there will be nothing much to criticise. That is how i will conclude the debate in a nutshell.

(I hope I won't live the day to see another forum discussing Individual ACCA lecturers vs UNI ACCA lecturer)

Chin Ann is roughly around 21 to 23 may.
Chow Chee yen is around 23 - 25 may
Alan is 23 & 24 may
The exact time you can check on your own since its rather inconsistent.
I think these lecturers have decided to put these time on this date to prevent clashes with other papers, so you can only choose one of them since its quite rare for those seeking 2 lecturers at the same time. If both spot differently its going to be even more cumbersome.

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Added on April 3, 2009, 11:52 amThe funny thing about reporting paper is that I got cashflow instead of full consol question in my F7 & P2 so no chance to experiment. Even then I don't think i can finish in 35, 45 perhaps not even going to balance.
Don't call it war though, I think a more appropriate term is "Ping-Pong match" between 2 amateurs not the professionals since professional can finish the match in 2 or 3 strokes while amateurs took forever. This argument already span more than 4 pages so you can imagine ........

Last time i also did that by criticising KSA environment for more than 2 months.......

This post has been edited by Topace111: Apr 3 2009, 11:52 AM

If your degree is finance then chances content will be very similar so can self study.
But the thing with finance is its one of the most calculational paper (if not the most) so self study can be a bit difficult. For finance theory marks are easier to gain but calculational marks are way harder (1 page answer may only yield 5 marks for example). Try attempting exam question before deciding but I always think self study for any calculational paper is not wise (considering time limitation is involved)

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Added on April 3, 2009, 7:53 pmSeriously many people have already criticise the usefulness of OBu since It doesn't really add value unless you gain first class & only those with average marks above 66 stands any chance to do so. Even with first class employers also felt a degree with only training period of 1 - 2 month is hardly a real degree at all. Then there are those mentioned it will help you to study for masters later on.

This post has been edited by Topace111: Apr 3 2009, 07:53 PM

Date is 12,13,14 (night) & 24 (double).
Don't you guys know how to check through website ?

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Added on April 3, 2009, 10:41 pmCan work with different company. However if you do job hopping too much Acca will / maybe question your decision. Best to stick with one boss for consistency sake (if a good one that is).

Caution : Read every single wording carefully.
If you want to take optional paper, you must either taken all core papers or taking all core papers with optional paper.
Situation 1 : You must pass all 3 core paper to take any optional paper.
Situation 2 : You must take optional paper with all the core paper you have not passed. (P1 pass, take P2, P3 & P4), (P2 & P3 pass, take P1 & P4)

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Added on April 3, 2009, 10:49 pmI don't think CKF will teach again anytime soon (especially after that sunway publicity stunt)
For P6 most of the Kl recommended lecturers are rougly the same on 2 area :
- they go very fast after laying the basics
- most of them assume you have attend their F6 class / well versed with F6 stuff
The reasoning behind the very fast teaching could be bcos tax area is quite specific on its own so lecturers inability to finish the syllabus is common.

My suggestion to you is to find your ex-tax lecturer (unless he or she is inadequate)


This post has been edited by Topace111: Apr 3 2009, 10:49 PM

I think its not "extra" but just switch centre / college & take from Kl lecturer instead. Most student seek speciallist lecturer for advanced papers & most of them are centred in Kl. Anyway that is still too early to discuss that, I think you should seriously contemplate on this matter after you finish the lower levels. Your decision will be more mature & meaningful upon then.

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Added on April 4, 2009, 11:23 amIf there is a perfect husband I don't think other potential suitors will stand any chance do they ? By the way there is always a "give & take' situation which if you expect a perfect something you must also live up to the perfect something expectation.

This post has been edited by Topace111: Apr 4 2009, 11:23 AM