Before solving this dispute, please answer me 2 question as fairness to both of us...

1) In sms, what item we are talking about?
In LYN, you were asking me for Washing Machine and TV at different mail, am I correct? Please see the quote below..



FULL copy of TV's negotiate message in LYN


FULL copy of Washing Machine, I sms-ed him instead of talking here, for fast deal as you mentioned

*Deleted those unessential note like profile information to make things clear

We were talking about different thing at different mail, I admit this is my fault of being negligent to didn't realize this is same people. This is my fault. But, in sms, we were'nt talking about the TV, at all...we were just talking about that washing machine.
2) When you wanted to pay for the deposit, how much did you offered me?
RM50 for the TV, am I correct?

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 21 2008, 08:50 PM

well, for me..i don't really can see that TS made an appointment with u to trade with the TV. Sorry if i got it wrong, but your post is kinda messy and im a bit lazy to figure out what is what. And you didn't reserve the TV with any deposit either. Unless u have made a deposit, i don't see the point of arguing. The seller has every right to change his mind unless a reservation or deposit is done and confirmed by both party (that what i do usually). Juz my two cent.

I am the seller, I post on behalf of the buyer.. as he posted his unhappy comment on my threat, I have to solve this problem as soon as possible...

Hi Dude..

Can Rafely Telling The Full Story Here?

Let's See What's The Problem

just be patient and wait for the claimant to answer my question first...i sms-ed him to check here right after i posted up..will see his reply first

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he seems like not interested to come back here to talk about this dispute

i did ask about the tv ,rt.?u reply me bst price rm400.rt?but when i turn up there in ur condo ,we already agreed that i will pay rm50 for tv which u sell rm380 to me since i also taking ur partly faulty washer ,rt.?and u even wrote a small voucher stated i pay rm50 deposit for the tv and will come back to take it on 27 june ,i put the money rm130 on ur table while u written the voucher ,rt.? but when only i go check ur air cond compressor at the back of condo,out of sudden u and ur japanese friend said theres some one sms to come to view tv ,then later u even broke ur promise not to sell the tv but only the washer by claiming u promised to let the on coming person to view it first,and suggested i bid for the tv ,see who can giv higher price to buy it,i wont forget so fast ,will u both so forgetful??
if u r in my shoes ,take all trouble sms and ask thru phone calls ,checking thru the guard house and waited for so long but atlast get back home empty handed ,wat will u feel?u shouldn`t put 1st come 1st served since u dun follow the rules .

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Added on June 21, 2008, 11:20 pmthe question now is i got over his place for taking both items and pay the deposit rm50 (which he ts already agreed but then he broke his promise,wat u see isn`t important here ,but wat i feel is he is not keeping up the name of the game (First COME 1st Served)

This post has been edited by fasdeal007: Jun 21 2008, 11:20 PM

Let's talk this in Contract law's issue to bring things clear..

Firstly, in order for a contract to be valid, you will need to see whether it's an offer or an ITT
if it's offer the elements below
which will be either OFFER>>ACCEPTANCE>>CONTRACT or OFFER>>COUNTER OFFER>>ACCEPTANCE>>CONTRACT
I stated clearly at my threat that, I am selling those things with 50% of deposit as reservation to my items and collect from collection date..
You offered me RM50 as deposit for the TV instead I asked for 50% which means rm200, In this situation, you given me a COUNTER OFFER, which means that
once Counter Offer took place, the original Offer by me is void. It's depending on whether I am willing to accept your counter offer or not, ON THE FACTS,
Last night I did not accept it and said I can't confirm you, you are the one who can't bring thing on negotiation and keep on forcing me to sell you.

I told you that, there are another people who coming to see the TV therefore I can't confirm to you, because this guy has been asking me since long to see the TV but i were not free to show him before. You started to tell me about those first come first served, I understood that first come first serve, but as a fairness to other people. I could not just sell you the TV while I have another buyer who is in appointment with me who already reached my premises to view it
in order for the "FIRST COME FIRST SERVE" to take place, We must have everythings agreed in order for me to take my words of first come first serve, if everyone using this words and approach me. Even "sumbat" me with RM10 for my TV, then it means that I have to sell? If I dont sell means I breached my words to them also?
as u mentioned me as a CON MAN, I didn't want to be a CON MAN and thus, will I be that idiot of making appointment to 2 person who are interested in the same thing to come together? How am I going to face another person if the early comer came and bought?
even the first come first serve is here, but it won't be good for me to do that as well..

furthermore, I were not aware of you are comming for the TV, as in our sms-es, we were talking about the washing machine. No negotitation about the TV hence can you say 100% my fault also. In the msg from LYN, you didn't tell me if you are accepting my offer of RM400 or not also. If I aware of it, how can I know you if you are comming for it or not?

I keep on talking to you, and hope for your understanding about my situation, but u didn't take my words in mind and keep on forcing me to sell u using that FCFS word
at last only I try to tell u about the higher bidder get the item to you. This is the last choice for me to solve it. I have no other choice solve except this, because you can't even bring things on negotiate.
What can I do?

but from the facts, our dealing method is an advertisement, advertisement is merely an ITT which means not even an offer to sell yet and I still have my right of selling or not selling. By this way, how can i breach my word ler?
just you cannot bring things into negotitation and want to argue only.

Let's shorten it and back to the issue here.
You given me a counter offer of giving me RM50 as deposit, I did not accept it = no contract
if there's no contract between us, how can I breach[first come first serve] it?

In short, there are no contract between us, but you are messing around by calling me as con man,
under the law of tort's defamation, you had been talking some untrue statement to spoil my reputation.
Even under Section 1 of the Defamation Act 1984, apology could not be a defence, then may I know how can I claim back my spoilt reputation from you?

p/s: when is the moment that I agreed of your RM50 of deposit? you throw the money on the table, i didn't receive it by my hand, in this situation, how can it be i accept your offer?
if this is mean by acceptance, can I just put RM10 on your vehicle's windscreen and say I am going to buy your vehicle? NO right? You keep on forcing me to sell you the TV, in this situation, what can I do ler? I'm almost blank, the original buyer which waiting me at downstairs for guidance to my premises is waiting there but you are keep talking about the "FCFS"

If you want evidence by that appointment is not last minute's sms, I can ask that buyer to mail moderator as evidence and show moderator of his enquiry mail as well. This can prove that I am NOT trying to offer "the higher get the item"

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 21 2008, 11:34 PM

as didn't show his details here in public, we have to respect 3rd party rights...I can only post his name here under his permission,but to make things clear...I can have him msg to moderator

another question here is, Can you say that you are willing to get the TV cuz of the faulty washing machine?
What I can say is NO, I stated clearly there that the washing machine does have the faulty part. It's your own willing to accept it with my offer.

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 22 2008, 12:02 AM

waa....contract law oso come into play....keep it simple....no deposit = no consideration = no sale = no TV

First come first serve basis does not come into play....this is not McDonalds toy (while stocks last)

well, someone said me as a con man while I am not..
Contract law coming out to make things clear...or either my part of fault, just don't like to being bullied by uncle...

any moderator around to judge?? which this thing can end soon

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 22 2008, 04:20 AM

what you said is correct about contract law....what i said about consideration is also part of contact law....the part about first come first serve basis is also bullcrap....you have the right to sell to the highest buyer not sell to the first buyer

but I think in his mind, his consideration was, as he said "put" the money on the table and force me to sell....
but actually u see his post at other's people threat, he's kinda a rude people who often use those bad words and like to say ppl as con man I think it's time for moderator to consider to keep letting such people here to continue mess around or not...

aiya...just ignore these kind of ppl...thinking they can weasel their way/ manipulating ppl into giving in to his demands.

but I still want to survive here, and I am NOT a CONMAN as he mentioned mah...he just messed up my threat, I must make things clear, if not I kena dispute tag innocently....
I really hope that he would say sorry to me in the threat which he messed up, not just edit the post but post another apology..any moderator help??

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 22 2008, 03:31 PM

try PMing Stevanistelrooy coz seems like he's the most active in this part of the forum

yea, I pm-ed him minutes ago...

summerboy, u r not a con man, everyone know that but u have broke ur promise, which u have stated in ur 1st post. 1st come 1st serve. If u saw a tv advertisement saying free TV 1st come 1st serve and when u reach there, u r the 1st person, but then the company tell u that there is some1 on his way to here whom has just called. So in conclusion, this is not 1st come 1st serve, this is call 1st call 1st serve.

In my opinion, i think u have done wrong, not the buyer. Even if he is coming to buy anything that u have posted in ur thread before contacted u, he put in the money n u agree with it, then its call a deal.

yep, I understood that I have my wrong but it's just not that because I refuse to sell him, as I mentioned, I have not confirm the deal with him, then how can I breach my words ler?
I can say my negligent part is failure to find that both inquiry are from same person. He didn't tell me if he want it or not, and there's another person who got an appointment with me earlier...Then what do you think if the person who coming to see it, arrived but the thing is sold? I would not asking 2 person to see same thing at once if he did confirm with me about what he is interested in, as mentioned, in sms, we were not talking about the TV at all...

In your example, the item is FREE for grab and it's for first come first serve.
what if it's talking about money? If he come first, but I don't agree of the terms also I have to sell just because of he is the early comer? Don't talk about the third party here, let's talk about his deposit. I requested for 50% of deposit but he is offering me just RM50 which is not sufficient to my 50%. Then I also MUST sell cuz of he is the early comer??

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 22 2008, 04:39 PM

Bro ,u r not there u just cant simply listen to 1 side story , (OR MAY BE U R ! OF TS GANG ?)
1st thing come first ,if he didn`t agreed that rm50 deposit how can i throw rm50 just to forced him to sell ,now he lying here and twist and turn ,if he can even written a note stated the rm50 is for the deposit it clearly shows that he wanna sell the tv to me at rm380,this very clear how can i force him to sell at my price after all he did agreed if i `m going to take more items ,he can EVEN give me a Better lumsum discount price,so he is not idiot and i`m not one too,remember he show me around to check his aircond (thats the time he and japanese frend Changed their mind ).
come on,TS u wanna to talk like a lawyer ,but u cant even know & understand wat u written "First come first served" or u can change ur ad heading AS * 1st call 1st served*

i was there in ur condo already even though i asked about washer and tv in 2 defferent sections either thru sms or pm ,thats not the issue here.http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Msg&CODE=03&VID=in&MSID=8080155#msg8080155

u said its ur mistake (why u make such stupid mistake the 2nd time when u allow me to enter ur condo ,u should ASK wat i want to buy before allowing to enter the well guarded premise (if u really that particular about selling only certain item to certain ppl here ,remember u mentioned in ur reply rm400 is best price for the stupid TV?)
the Buyer (dun bother its me or the one coming soon ,its ur word telling only i never sold anyone turn up though u said the guy already in the compound)came to ur condo means he s the first to hv the priority,any body who r coming later cant be the first rt. unless they paid thru bank a/c ,thats not the issue here,rt.????so the second buyer who turnup or coming wil definitly be the second comer ,how can u reserved it for the late comer ,ur esplanation on "throwing my hard earned money on table did show TS is conman and lying too ,lousy guy like him dare to tell ppl to obey laws ,he must be a great joker.
i felt been offended that IF U R NOT FOLLOWING THE NAME OF GAME FCFS pls erase the words in ur ad (or u must be the conman i mentioned early)
i didn`t buy the rm80 washer because u breach ur rule first and u r the one (TS) cant be trusted.u try esplain ,some one coming but it prove that u dont respect me (as the first to come and u already agreed to sell the panasonic to me at rm380 ,accept rm 50 as deposit (not in ur hand !!NOW U R TRYING TO MAKE MY SELF FORCING U TO SELL UR BARANG <OMG ! U HV DIAMOND HIDE IN UR PANASONIC TV and i know that thru my extra see thru power mind!without buying ur TV wont make me Shorted by 2 inches la,man ....DUN EVER THINK ALL forummer here r idiots.ok??,and rm 50 on table really show and proved that u already tell the whole world u dun know how to lie ,u just cant convice other ppl to buy at my price by throwing and forcing u (TS) selling at rm380 ,simple as u told why not i forced u selling ur panasonic at rm100 and not WAT i /u mentioned rm380.prove me i`m wrong here .

i dun get ur tv or washer might be lucky to me ,i scared after buying theres no warranty ,sm more regreted ,crying without tears then...try talk white into black ,U teach me here...??
ppl like to con/lie always hv more thicker skin!