Before solving this dispute, please answer me 2 question as fairness to both of us...

1) In sms, what item we are talking about?
In LYN, you were asking me for Washing Machine and TV at different mail, am I correct? Please see the quote below..



FULL copy of TV's negotiate message in LYN


FULL copy of Washing Machine, I sms-ed him instead of talking here, for fast deal as you mentioned

*Deleted those unessential note like profile information to make things clear

We were talking about different thing at different mail, I admit this is my fault of being negligent to didn't realize this is same people. This is my fault. But, in sms, we were'nt talking about the TV, at all...we were just talking about that washing machine.
2) When you wanted to pay for the deposit, how much did you offered me?
RM50 for the TV, am I correct?

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 21 2008, 08:50 PM

I am the seller, I post on behalf of the buyer.. as he posted his unhappy comment on my threat, I have to solve this problem as soon as possible...

just be patient and wait for the claimant to answer my question first...i sms-ed him to check here right after i posted up..will see his reply first

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he seems like not interested to come back here to talk about this dispute

Let's talk this in Contract law's issue to bring things clear..

Firstly, in order for a contract to be valid, you will need to see whether it's an offer or an ITT
if it's offer the elements below
which will be either OFFER>>ACCEPTANCE>>CONTRACT or OFFER>>COUNTER OFFER>>ACCEPTANCE>>CONTRACT
I stated clearly at my threat that, I am selling those things with 50% of deposit as reservation to my items and collect from collection date..
You offered me RM50 as deposit for the TV instead I asked for 50% which means rm200, In this situation, you given me a COUNTER OFFER, which means that
once Counter Offer took place, the original Offer by me is void. It's depending on whether I am willing to accept your counter offer or not, ON THE FACTS,
Last night I did not accept it and said I can't confirm you, you are the one who can't bring thing on negotiation and keep on forcing me to sell you.

I told you that, there are another people who coming to see the TV therefore I can't confirm to you, because this guy has been asking me since long to see the TV but i were not free to show him before. You started to tell me about those first come first served, I understood that first come first serve, but as a fairness to other people. I could not just sell you the TV while I have another buyer who is in appointment with me who already reached my premises to view it
in order for the "FIRST COME FIRST SERVE" to take place, We must have everythings agreed in order for me to take my words of first come first serve, if everyone using this words and approach me. Even "sumbat" me with RM10 for my TV, then it means that I have to sell? If I dont sell means I breached my words to them also?
as u mentioned me as a CON MAN, I didn't want to be a CON MAN and thus, will I be that idiot of making appointment to 2 person who are interested in the same thing to come together? How am I going to face another person if the early comer came and bought?
even the first come first serve is here, but it won't be good for me to do that as well..

furthermore, I were not aware of you are comming for the TV, as in our sms-es, we were talking about the washing machine. No negotitation about the TV hence can you say 100% my fault also. In the msg from LYN, you didn't tell me if you are accepting my offer of RM400 or not also. If I aware of it, how can I know you if you are comming for it or not?

I keep on talking to you, and hope for your understanding about my situation, but u didn't take my words in mind and keep on forcing me to sell u using that FCFS word
at last only I try to tell u about the higher bidder get the item to you. This is the last choice for me to solve it. I have no other choice solve except this, because you can't even bring things on negotiate.
What can I do?

but from the facts, our dealing method is an advertisement, advertisement is merely an ITT which means not even an offer to sell yet and I still have my right of selling or not selling. By this way, how can i breach my word ler?
just you cannot bring things into negotitation and want to argue only.

Let's shorten it and back to the issue here.
You given me a counter offer of giving me RM50 as deposit, I did not accept it = no contract
if there's no contract between us, how can I breach[first come first serve] it?

In short, there are no contract between us, but you are messing around by calling me as con man,
under the law of tort's defamation, you had been talking some untrue statement to spoil my reputation.
Even under Section 1 of the Defamation Act 1984, apology could not be a defence, then may I know how can I claim back my spoilt reputation from you?

p/s: when is the moment that I agreed of your RM50 of deposit? you throw the money on the table, i didn't receive it by my hand, in this situation, how can it be i accept your offer?
if this is mean by acceptance, can I just put RM10 on your vehicle's windscreen and say I am going to buy your vehicle? NO right? You keep on forcing me to sell you the TV, in this situation, what can I do ler? I'm almost blank, the original buyer which waiting me at downstairs for guidance to my premises is waiting there but you are keep talking about the "FCFS"

If you want evidence by that appointment is not last minute's sms, I can ask that buyer to mail moderator as evidence and show moderator of his enquiry mail as well. This can prove that I am NOT trying to offer "the higher get the item"

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 21 2008, 11:34 PM

as didn't show his details here in public, we have to respect 3rd party rights...I can only post his name here under his permission,but to make things clear...I can have him msg to moderator

another question here is, Can you say that you are willing to get the TV cuz of the faulty washing machine?
What I can say is NO, I stated clearly there that the washing machine does have the faulty part. It's your own willing to accept it with my offer.

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 22 2008, 12:02 AM

well, someone said me as a con man while I am not..
Contract law coming out to make things clear...or either my part of fault, just don't like to being bullied by uncle...

any moderator around to judge?? which this thing can end soon

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 22 2008, 04:20 AM

but I think in his mind, his consideration was, as he said "put" the money on the table and force me to sell....
but actually u see his post at other's people threat, he's kinda a rude people who often use those bad words and like to say ppl as con man I think it's time for moderator to consider to keep letting such people here to continue mess around or not...

but I still want to survive here, and I am NOT a CONMAN as he mentioned mah...he just messed up my threat, I must make things clear, if not I kena dispute tag innocently....
I really hope that he would say sorry to me in the threat which he messed up, not just edit the post but post another apology..any moderator help??

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 22 2008, 03:31 PM

yea, I pm-ed him minutes ago...

yep, I understood that I have my wrong but it's just not that because I refuse to sell him, as I mentioned, I have not confirm the deal with him, then how can I breach my words ler?
I can say my negligent part is failure to find that both inquiry are from same person. He didn't tell me if he want it or not, and there's another person who got an appointment with me earlier...Then what do you think if the person who coming to see it, arrived but the thing is sold? I would not asking 2 person to see same thing at once if he did confirm with me about what he is interested in, as mentioned, in sms, we were not talking about the TV at all...

In your example, the item is FREE for grab and it's for first come first serve.
what if it's talking about money? If he come first, but I don't agree of the terms also I have to sell just because of he is the early comer? Don't talk about the third party here, let's talk about his deposit. I requested for 50% of deposit but he is offering me just RM50 which is not sufficient to my 50%. Then I also MUST sell cuz of he is the early comer??

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 22 2008, 04:39 PM

well, you can only know what I am talking clearly if you really understand about the law.
you are talking like I'm twisting the facts, and said I wrote you the so called voucher as you mentioned, then please show evidence, if just by what you are talking, how can it prove that you are telling the truth also?
what I said, also backing up with your acts as evidence.

YES, to be polite, you did PUT the money on my table and go out to balcony to see the air-cond's compressor, as I said lor, if this is amount to acceptance, I think I had become BILLIONAIRE since long. I simply go people's house, Stick RM100 and say this is the money, I am going to buy your house.
Since this is not sufficient to be consideration for you and acceptance for me, then how can the first come first serve play a role here?
if you really understand the law, the first come first serve will be come after satisfied the terms and conditions.

WE DID NOT CHANGE our mind, as we HAVE NOT ACCEPT the deal, you "put" the money on the table and go out, we have not say yes or no. Even you said I wrote you a voucher, but did you get it? If you got it, please scan and show here. It can prove then..If no, it means that you don't even have it or I didn't pass it to you or even didn't write it..
1) If I wrote but didn't pass it to you, could be amounted to be an acceptance without any signature of me and you?
If yes, then there would be alot of new cases rushing to the courts cuz of this.
i)People would go to bank in cheque without signature to cash out the money, but without the signature, bank will refuse to pay out the money. Then people would sue the bank.
ii)People who created an agreement earlier but haven't fulfill the condition but the other party who claimed it to be an activated contract, sue again...there are no law which stated a rule that agreement/contract is activated on the time it issued, or not after both parties signature.
but well, there are post-rule. I just never heard about contract is valid on the time it issued.
2)If I didn't write it, but u said I wrote it, show evidence
If not then what are you talking about? In law, we are talking everything with evidence.

and hello? the message of our conversation, I had been exposed here since my first post, it just prove that we did not confirm on any deal uncle...such a crappy uncle which don't know about the law to simply show people those evidence which is a disadvantage for yourself, what a pity...

I am not reli sure if there's any diamond hidden in the TV, but if it's not that precious for you, then why bothering to mess up my threat? your so-called PRINCIPLE?

It's really hard to talk to someone who really don't understand the law at all...
the terms also haven't satisfy but start talking about the first come first serve

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 22 2008, 05:19 PM

If your lecture really told you that contract elements comes with only OFFER & ACCEPTANCE, I think your lecture need to "tapao" already. Please la, if want to act like you are well educated, do some homework before "trying" to be smart.
If you are well educated also no need to keep driving your 70 century's "besi buruk" and looking for second hand thing here lor..

If your words of jump in the bus case is amounted to a contract, there would be more conflict of law. From your words, it means that once I enter a shopping center if I want to buy things there, they refuse is amounted to breached of contract..What a funny..
Uncle, Do you really know about law? Let me tell u 1 simple thing, If I run a shop like guardian. I put some controlled drugs in my store at display rack, I still have my right for not selling you. Because it's merely an intention to create legal relation..in short ITT. It's been proven by case law, you can check it if you wish to. Google search about this case uncle >> fisher v bell
and the formation of the contract is the time when you paid and issued you receipt or not by the time you "jumped up to the bus" the simple contract like your example is when if the bus conductor issued u a bus ticket and you paid.
Simply see how u bark at other's people also know how good is your personality....


want to say people's english bad? read your own spelling la first la "esplanation" wor....



Luckily u didn't bring any gun lor, if you bring any gun, I can even lodge a police report or sue u under criminal...

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 22 2008, 06:03 PM

yea, as mentioned b4. Once counter offer took place, the original offer is void, the FCFS also no more already...it's depending on if I am willing to accept it or not...

what I meant by the stick money on the door to answer his question is, you can't simply giving any money/any amount to people and say u r going to buy people's thing...yea, consideration could be anything but still need to be satisfied by the judges and if it's reasonable mah...

To answer your question 1, well, I have not even close the gate,
you already rushed inside to see things and without any manner and permission you touched those boxes and see if there's anything for sale, but already told you, things for sale already posted up here, other's thing not for sale or sold. As from that night until now, you just didn't bother to listen to people like now, and keep on talking I'm twisting the facts to let u bid for the TV at a higher price. Please note that, I have enough permission to make decision to help him sell of his thing. For you, my reputation may be RM20 but...your reputation maybe not even worth for a single penny!

The one who don't admit fault is you, I did admit my wrong part since my first post. About didn't manage to understand that both inquiry are actually same people but this is not the main point.If you want to say that I am bullying you an old basket in Law, might as well you better say the one who create law is trying to bully the society?
"big bully small, I heard but "small bully big" I have never listen before, but if it really made for me to bully you, then you mah very USELESS? Being eating salt more than I eat rice also can let me bully? Is this Logic?????????
I'm just trying to say that you know nothing about law but "trying" to act like you know everything
and behave like a kid, in chinese "fall on the floor, grabbing sand" and I didn't even say
that your spelling wrong it means you don't know about law. But someone trying to giving their comment here,
you simply shooting people by commenting people's English is bad, just want to remind you that don't ever
say people's English is bad while your's is not excellent. No one's English is prefect, unless IF you are white.
Are you?

In current century, 2000 century. We are talking about evidence to prove thing. I am not really sure about your 70's la...Maybe your so-called GOD does plays a role, but what can your GOD help? Protecting you and your besi buruk since 1970s? If you got no evidence, then SHUT-UP and be more hardworking at job to get another better besi la..so free to curse people, why don't cursing your own children "born baby no buttock"? If you believe on your GOD so much, you also won't behave like now. This is not kid talking, when your fault has been exposed, but don't want to admit. Asking people to swear to the god, or you already start "fan lou wan thong" already?
Well, from your personality, want to say just say lah...what is GUX? Want to say I looks like a girl?
Want to say I wear earing means a girl? HELLO! 70 century only girls wearing, but now 2000 century,
guy also wearing. See your besi buruk also know your mind had never been improve since fewty years ago (maybe got no ability to), it had been proven, if your mind (also knowledge) had been changed, I'm sure you had succeed in your carrier and don't need to keep your 70's besi until now

and, the one who need to apology is you, not me. If the one who can prove evidence will be the loser and need to say sorry, then what's law about? to protect those loser like you?

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 23 2008, 07:08 PM

not even 1 cent, he's just messing up my threat...

nope, I admitted that my wrong was when his first inquiry, did not find that both inquiry come from same people.
But however, he didn't talk to me about the TV in sms as well. In my mind, by contacting him thru sms is fast deal of the washing machine...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Msg&...6560#msg8076560
this is the mail.....

I will forward you the mail of me with the buyer....

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Added on June 23, 2008, 11:22 pmall the RM50 is the counter offer which he "put" on the table and claimed that I've accepted his deposit while im asking for 50%

to make things clear, the RM130 he mention, not all deposit..
RM80 for the washing machine which can bring back on the spot and another RM50 only the deposit he "put" on the table...I have not accept his money but he keep on claiming that I accepted and changed my mind.


This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 23 2008, 11:25 PM

he brought back all his money, he left nothing with me..only mess

that is, that uncle is very free to mess people's threat...btw, I checked his post b4, he often say people as con man and using those vurgal words...free feel to check

yea, moderator PLEASE check our IP...
i dont even know who is him and have not talked to him even once...only know him from this dispute threat.....

if u can say that me n ynneb25 is same people because he's helping me, then why not u r the same people ler?
standing by which side it doesn't means that same people or friend....if online together also can say same person, how about me and you? I also replying right after you post. This is because I am active...

what i can say is, you have your normal people's opinion and ynneb25 had some law knowledge and understood what I said, if you can prove to the law, then what's wrong?

This post has been edited by summerboyz: Jun 24 2008, 12:58 AM