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clngu
post Jun 24 2008, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(UbuntuClient @ Jun 24 2008, 07:09 AM)
Can u guide me how to make money with SCJP cert? I want to take SCWCD next year if my money enough.
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a single specialty hard to earn more. if you look at Java certification route map, there are 5 specializations and 1 master. with only SCWCD, you won't go too far. should do research about current Java trend in today job market in Malaysia and which industry require Java professionals.

i would say either to take all 3 specialties under Java EE or to take 1 specialty from each Java SE, Java EE and Java ME or to achieve SCEA.
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post Jun 24 2008, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(winnie08 @ Jun 24 2008, 01:54 PM)
I'm considering server as well. I'm currently the assistant for a bunch of network engineers in a local ISP company.
Working experience? Around 4 years already.
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4 years working in ISP. allow me to advice on your career path.

1. ISP, great point to add value in your resume.

2. Server Administration, what type of server ie. File, E-mail, Internet, Application, etc. and technology platform ie. Microsoft, Sun Solaris, HP-UX, IBM, Linux, etc. you wish to focus.

3. Security, you prefer to concentrate on security design and implementation or security analysis and investigation.
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post Jun 24 2008, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(realnormalman @ Jun 24 2008, 02:10 PM)
hi,may i know wat kind of company u working?is IT company or bank, finance?
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am working in Financial industry.

I will discuss later why you need paper qualification to support your career development. there is this thing called Talent Management. and it has been implemented in many MNCs.
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post Jun 24 2008, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(realnormalman @ Jun 24 2008, 02:05 PM)
i got CCNA,win in Cisco Network Skill Competition,cisco partner company only offer me 1.8k - 2.0k...how come?
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depends on you working for Gold or Silver or Premier Cisco Partner.
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post Jun 24 2008, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(flance82 @ Jun 24 2008, 02:21 PM)
clngu, ur story made me feel that still hope for me thanks you very much & i already looking for books to study myself already thanks for sharing
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there is always a hope. you have to be confident, passion and ambitious. study and learn hard. don't be lazy.
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post Jun 24 2008, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(winnie08 @ Jun 24 2008, 02:38 PM)
So I guess its probably Microsoft or Linux...
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then you take MCTS and MCITP on Server Technologies. and Linux LPI Level 1-3 or Red Hat certificates.

QUOTE(winnie08 @ Jun 24 2008, 02:38 PM)
I'm not sure which... one of my task rite now is monitoring the IDS for our company.. using Broadweb hardware and BEMS monitor...
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IDS monitoring is under analysis and investigation. you can take EC-Council CEH, CHFI, ECSA and LPT. and Microsoft MCTS on Security. and CIW Security Analyst.

with the above certificates, you already no problem to get job and salary increment in Vendor industry ie. Microsoft or Financial industry ie. Bank, Insurance and Securities or Oil and Gas industry ie. Shell, Exxon Mobil or other MNCs.

if you are an ambitious person, see beyond the future. with 4 years working experience, you can take security certification CISSP, storage certification SNIA, IT service management certification ITIL and project management PMP. rest assure you will get a very good job and pay.
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post Jun 24 2008, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(realnormalman @ Jun 24 2008, 03:30 PM)
i had gone for the Cisco Gold Partner Company interview,they just offer 1.8-2.0k...
but now i also work in financial company,not bank but doing financial planning..i doing IT Support,support IT infrastructure they have..
but seem not so professional..bcoz the main core business is not IT,for the things more professional,they outsource to vendor..
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you are fresh graduate, am I correct?

Cisco Gold Partner normally won't pay lot to CCNA as they already have many CCNA holders. unless you have something they looking for.

i guess you working in Insurance company. since you doing financial planning, no harm to take CFP and RFP and LOMA. those certificates definitely add values to your career development. normally company subsidizes 100% or 50% for their staff to take the course.

in Financial industry, you better take ITIL since most of them is implementing the processes now.
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post Jun 24 2008, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(winnie08 @ Jun 24 2008, 05:00 PM)
clngu and others,
do u know any places that provide microsoft(other than informatics) and ec-council training and exam?
normally how much the cost?

thanks a bunch!
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APIIT, InfoTrek. EC-Council training not cheap oh.
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post Jun 24 2008, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(winnie08 @ Jun 24 2008, 05:24 PM)
Oh. Are u suggesting me to study on my own and just take the test when I'm ready?
Is that possible? I mean, I dont know how the test looks like, similar to CCNA?
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the 1st exam you need to take is CEH. a theoretical exam. you can buy official self-study kit or go to Kinokuniya/MPH to get alternate reading materials ie. Sybex, etc. but you really need to study hard. no more entertainment.

of course is better to attend CEH training ie. APIIT, whereby trainer give you 5-day intensive knowledge in order for you to be ready to sit for the exam.

CCNA is Cisco product exam. CEH is about hacking. quote "A Certified Ethical Hacker is a skilled professional who understands and knows how to look for the weaknesses and vulnerabilities in target systems and uses the same knowledge and tools as a malicious hacker."

few years ago, a candidate who holds CEH can demand RM10-12k with relevant experiences.
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post Jun 25 2008, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(realnormalman @ Jun 24 2008, 06:10 PM)
clngu,i now doing the IT Support,dun know whether choosing the right path or not..coz the job not touching into deep on the IT related thing..just support the normal server n network..if faces more advance problem the company wil look for vendor d..so is it good?
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my 1st job was doing IT support as well. handled MS Windows servers and basic network infrastructure. if facing complicated issues, have to call HQ to send down seniors to troubleshoot the problems. cause I was just a junior and have very little knowledge about the computer systems that I support.

i am the type of person who don't like people to look down on me and think am just a useless guy, and think am just a liability to the company. so I learn from seniors (watching them and taking notes myself) when they came to troubleshoot the problems. during free time, i read books/magazines/etc, surf internet for information and print it out for record. play around hardware and software. learn little by little. sooner or later my skills and knowledge would improve.

however it was a small scale computer system, i have hit the limit or bottleneck. then i decided to move to new environment (change job).
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post Jun 25 2008, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(winnie08 @ Jun 24 2008, 06:11 PM)
Lol. U misunderstood me. What I meant was, the test/exam style... nevermind. I just downloaded a sample test for CEH.
Thanks anyway.

Hmmm... last question for today, should I go on with my CCNA or change to MCTS or CEH or...?

Phew. Loads of reading. Felt my head wanna burst. Pening pening. Thanks clngu and others for the tips. biggrin.gif
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haha. i see. The examination consists of 150 questions. Format is Conventional multiple choice. The duration of the test is 4 hours. The passing score is 70%. The examination tests you on security related concepts, hacking techniques and technology.

you should go on with CCNA, MCTS, CEH and others. unless you only want to earn little income and climb career ladder slowly. haha. just kidding.
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post Jun 25 2008, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(Leong Forever @ Jun 24 2008, 09:14 PM)
Hi Cingu,

How your made it ? in six month you can aim to finish CCNA and CCNP.Another six month you finish MCSA ,MCSE etc.This consider very hard and tough challenge .You have to work daily so each day you only sleep 3-4 hours.Huh any secret recipy to share to all of us here.First how you able to manage you time to grab a cert in this short time.

Thank
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sometime you have to push yourself to the limit. at that time I sacrificed my time, my entertainment, etc. I used free time to study, to hands-on, even to sleep in the office. ya. I slept around 4 hours a day. weekend also stayed in office.

however I chose the right path, the right decision. i received harvest after 18 months. now I have Cash, Car, Credit Card, Condominium, Career, Certificate, Club. is this not what you are dreaming for ???

QUOTE(Leong Forever @ Jun 24 2008, 09:14 PM)
hi Cingu,

Thanks for sharing,you really make me feel that there is still a hope for me.I have a basic degree in Comp Sci work at IT support line as system engineer for 4 hours.Experience still very green coz all the while i am working in a end user company to provide support to end user means provide the first level support in server,email ,desktop,backup etc.....The next higher level of support is usually outsource to vendor.I have senior but he is very selfish in knowledge so everything have to self swim.I found that i no luck work in IT line.Everywhere i go i have to survive myself?which i mean my senior is not helpful or no senior at all.Currently i plan to take MCSE to take add my value.

I would like to check with you in case i want to move my line to Oracle next? how should i start the initial step? As i know for Oracle database the company very seldom will hire for fresh grad as this is the critical application.Beside where can i get the course for Oracle beside Oracle Malaysia which is expensive .Kindly advice to get the OCA and OCP.Do you do your self study anyway?

Hope the better will come...smile.gif thanks icon_idea.gif
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surviving is an art. some people willing to help you. some people don't. Your senior not willing to guide you, to share with you. because he scares you better than him. he has no confident about himself.

if you want to build your career in Oracle, you need to have;
1. Oracle systems for you to hands-on
2. books to refer
3. associations/experts to network with

Small and Medium Industries do hire fresh graduates to support Oracle (small scale system). even MNCs also do hire fresh graduates to assist Senior to support Oracle systems.

if you want to take OCA and OCP, you can go to Oracle Training Partners ie. CSA.

for OCA, i self-study. for OCP, I attend the course.

This post has been edited by clngu: Jun 25 2008, 01:46 PM
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post Jun 25 2008, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(winnie08 @ Jun 24 2008, 11:14 PM)
Depending too much on ur seniors wont take u far.
I had alot of problem coping with everyone in my previous companies since its a very rare sight for a girl to apply for technical jobs.
When I asked for help(no, not those noobs kinda questions), the guys would either be too shy, skeptical or have no confidence in sharing the knowledge with me.
Shy becoz they never met a girl before(lol).
Skeptical, whether I truthfully wanna learn or just ask questions randomly.
Have no confidence, whether I as a girl can handle the information(bleh).

Thank goodness we have the internet!!! And I have the tools to play in the office. The guys usually just let me play the old servers/desktops etc. biggrin.gif
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previously female is a minority group working in IT Technical area. nowadays more and more females competing with males in every aspect of IT industry. however still a small percentage of males could not accept females can do technical jobs as good as them. this is mentality issue.

the company now I working in, has around 200 IT staffs. one of the largest IT department in Financial industry. i dealing with many colleagues, recruiting candidates (fresh graduate and experienced), train/couch/counsel/mentor/discipline them. i would say female is getting strong and even tougher than male.
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post Jun 25 2008, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(Phillox @ Jun 24 2008, 11:44 PM)
Hi clngu,

Any advice for someone who already work in M$ .Net programming about 5 years and wish to get as much as your salary figure?  Do you think taking M$ programming cert will help in getting better offer as charms as yours ?

Thanks for yr help smile.gif
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ya. it (solid experience & professional certificate) would definitely help you in your career development. if you can acquire Microsoft Certified Professional Developer+Microsoft Certified Business Management Solutions Professional, you should be easily earn around RM8k. and if you able to gain sufficient knowledge in CMMI, your value is even greater.
clngu
post Jun 25 2008, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(jasperng @ Jun 25 2008, 08:26 AM)
clngu , im wondering if i get a BEng in Electrical and Electrical Engineering, i zzit possible for me to take IT professional certificates ? .. I mean i will not have as much related knowledge on IT .. as compared to you who graduated from BSc Computer Science. ...

whats your opinion on this ? ... what kind of certs can I seek for ?
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ya. you can have IT professional certificates. you might need it (depends on your job scope and type of industry). I have a friend who is an electrical engineer working in oil&gas industry, using SAP system is part of his job scope. so he took SAP certificate to add value to his career portfolio.

another friend who is an electrical engineer as well. he changed his career to become IT engineer. he took network (routing and switching) certificates.

you need to find out which IT area(s) you want to excel. only then i can give my opinion.
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post Jun 25 2008, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(CosmicZone @ Jun 25 2008, 09:03 AM)
hi clngu,

where can I obtain the resources or reading materials about MCPD exams?
I am looking to sit for a paper but I am not sure how to get the references to prepare myself for that?

As I concerned, both MPH and Kino sell certain reference book for these certification exams but not all. So, is there any other ways to obtain this?

thank you.
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you can surf internet to get free reading materials. you can buy reference books from Amazon.com. you can attend courses to get relevant materials.
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post Jun 25 2008, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(winnie08 @ Jun 25 2008, 10:46 AM)
smile.gif Thanks! Its more on the budget.

Ok I'll finish my CCNA.

Can u recommend where to get the MCTS and CEH? Maybe your personal favourites other than those in VUE and prometric. smile.gif

Thanks to u, the thread is one of the hottest in Jobs&Careers.  thumbup.gif
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majority exam associated with Prometric and Vue. take the exam online. instant result. except CISA & CISM (at UCSI cheras), SSCP & CISSP (at APIIT Bukit Jalil). take the exam offline. 2-4 weeks to receive result.

haha. the topic is hot cause too many lost souls out there. need to be mediated.
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post Jun 25 2008, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Leong Forever @ Jun 25 2008, 01:48 PM)
What you means by  3.associations/experts to network with? do you mean there is a society to join which all are in oracle line....I actually got search for vacancy where mainly of the organization need min 2 years experience for ORACLE DBA. You do self study for OCA, i was inform that for ORACLE paper they need us to attend course ? before can take exam.Is this true?
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you can join,
1. Association of Database Developers
2. Independent Oracle Users Group
3. International Oracle Users Group Community
4. Oracle Applications Users Group

normally employers stated years of relevant experience, is just a benchmark/reference. you can apply the position if you are confident you deem fit.

OCA is a level-entry certificate. no need to attend course. OCP is a professional certificate. you need to attend course and submit the Hands On Course Requirement Form.
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post Jun 25 2008, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(flance82 @ Jun 25 2008, 03:14 PM)
i saw in Cisco website..exams fo CCNA have two way..
way-1 640-802 CCNA (req training for icnd1 & icnd2)
way-2 640-822 ICND1 + 640-816 ICND2

way-1 looks like 1 paper which consist of both questions from icnd1&2
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way-2 i assume two paper & questions is separated according their focus.
so which to choose since per paper now is USD250
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better take option 1. no need to sit for two papers, wasting time, energy and money. anyway it is just CCNA (1st step in Cisco certification path).
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post Jun 25 2008, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(zhiyuan @ Jun 25 2008, 03:26 PM)
you really inspiring every one here clgnu...

that include me ...
thats it ! im going to finish my 6 more paper for the MCSE! then i go exploide the opportunity in Exchange ! and Security !

it should shine as it goes!
muhahahahhahahahaha

FIGHT FIGHT  FUGHT !
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6 papers to go. how long you want to finish it?

better plan your career path now. so that you have a clear idea what to do next.

for example, 6 papers left to get MCSE. how much the total cost for exam fee, course fee if any, reading materials fee. which paper to take first and. when and where to sit for the test. after passed MCSE, what is the next certificate you want to get. repeat the steps.
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