Ya it's no big deal. He doesn't like cars at all anyway and car audio is not that all important to him.

In all, car audio is not just all about boom-boom-boom like he thinks.

sounds was truly subjectiv..even if we use budget stuff, as long as we accept the music clarity in our ears, its just fine..n thts it... cheers my man...

so you guys are saying this brand are not worthy?
do you mean by the dealer in malaysia are not good or the real VSL from oversea are also not good since they copy this ads brand?

i've seen 236is and ads component,they look the same actually

cant judge by shape or eyes....even if it looks same,whn matching wit different amp it wont produce same sound..then match it wit dif hu oso dif..hard to xplain.. subjectiv again

but then i just wanted to know is VSL 236is worthy to get.price i ask is Rm400 icluding installation.

when compare to A|D|S 236is . origin of the speaker.
coz their name is the same,so maybe i think they buy over it or they OEM it.

consider copy,ppl would not copy exactly everything including name right?

if they copy it thoroughly, they will be sued for counterfeiting the product
it's not the first time they copycat some products

2 years ago they copied ADS, 100%, got sued
now they come back with VSL, claiming its from USA, but apparently it isn't

remember the name, UNIK

just like how Lightning Acoustic copied Lightning Audio

This post has been edited by driftmeister: Jun 26 2008, 12:14 AM

Well it depends. We are just pointing out the unscrupulous methods they use to market their products. As educated and knowledgeable seasoned car audio enthusiast, like driftmeister etc., we are compelled to give warnings to fellow forummers so that they make a wise purchase. 'Most' uneducated retailers/installers will not bother tell you the truth.

If you, however feel rm400 for a counterfeit product sounds good to your ears and worth your time, go ahead but if you ask me... lol.

counterfeit... not so long-lasting .... but if top up a bit more, can save some money in the nex future..

This post has been edited by dirsly: Jun 26 2008, 08:13 AM

some ppl like me can't afford to buy component set which is well above rm1k....if got the budget of rm400...wat do u recommend?...

wise purhase = checking the cash in your pocket / value for YOUR money...

increase your pocket budget by save more first...in ice always a passion....

yeah... passion... then u can get the best..

I did a promo last month for genuine Focal Access 165A1 6.5" components. Only RM650. If you wait patiently enough for great deals, it will come.

I once did a clearance for MB Quart Discuss components, 6 months after the particular model has phased out. It was the last batch from factory and I sold them for only RM388. I sold 70 sets. Even when I wanted more after that, it was totally not in production anymore.

These deals come from time to time. However, when a model has phased out and you still see people selling them a couple of years later with plenty of replenishing stocks, you have to be very wary if these are real genuine items or just riding off its popularity.

Anyway, it is ultimately your choice.

ard 400??go for mohawk... or jbl gto 2nd hand...

MB Quart for RM388

if below rm1k range...maybe i can afford la...ehhee....when got promo??..wuahhaha

i havnt idea.. u must check regularly our trade zone...

fat cat.... u can try by looking at ICE forums:

mycarhifi.com
gr8tunes.net
icehifi.com

u can find promos there (if any) and prolly get a good deal on speakers

Make me remember last time PeXXXXs also claimed that product from US also

lol...just conned... pity u ...

I met this VSL dealer from KL few days ago, this is what he told me about the history of VSL and a/d/s/ history.

a/d/s/ was previously made by its factory in China which also called ADS china, partnership with the chinese and Directed Electronics USA.

Then few years ago the american withdraw from this ADS China factory and gave up on the brand a/d/s/ due to the poor sales of this brand.

but, the brand a/d/s is registered in several countries under this ADS China, only that Malaysia, Singapore and Hongkong is registered under Directed Electronics USA.

UNIK S/B is the authorized dealer from ADS China, whereas PRO-ICE S/B is the authorized dealer from ADS USA (Directed Electronics)

so this UNIK sell this a/d/s/ China produts in Malaysia which offended the copy right Directed Electronics USA, and UNIK eventually get sued in the end BUT Directed Electronics USA DID NOT win the case because they couldn't prove the diffenrences between the produts of a/d/s/ china and a/d/s/ USA. Why they sue UNIK? is because thier dealer in Malaysia, Pro-ice carry alot of thier stock during that time and UNIK is selling alot cheaper!

Which mean both of the a/d/s/ is made in the same FACTORY!

During that period the same a/d/s/ speaker which sold by UNIK cost RM650, PRO-ICE cost RM1888.00!!!

VSL is what they use to replace the brand of a/d/s/ in the country like Malaysia, Singapore and HongKong after all, because Directed Electrnics hold the trademark registration of a/d/s/ until year 2011.

as Thaland, Indonasia, and the rest of the countries in Europe are all selling the a/d/s/ brand from CHINA ADS!

and this VSL dealer from KL who told me the above story is previously selling the "so called" original a/d/s/ from PRO-ICE SDN. BHD. too, he said that the speaker products of the USA a/d/s/ and CHINA a/d/s is 100% the same and even the sound quality is 200% the same.

so i guess this VSL brand is basicly a american technology product but made in china.

hopefully all above story is true, i mean who copy who? i really don know. a/d/s/ from USA is no longer selling it in the rest of the world because of the pricing, now this a/d/s/ china make it cheaper which allow people like us could enjoy its benefit n quality.

i mean y not give it a try? branded from usa doesnt mean is the best right?

just my super 2 cents.

try to avoid sound sonic klang especially their workmanship (how do you expect a technician who do not know what is the difference of +ve & -ve to installing your car being call as sifu in the shop???). no doubt all the accessories shop need profit to make their living. happy purchase. and ICE poisioning.