Spec 0/0/61.

Ice Armor.

Ice Barrier up always. Mana shield on initial attack.

Sheep if you have the chance. I mean like at the beginning of the fight. Get the arena gloves. 50% chance for uninteruptable sheep ftw.

Don't blink out of Cheap Shot, but Kidney Shot if possible.

A rogue would usually do a CloS + Sprit on you. Netherweave net! (unfortunately you're a miner/JC). I suggest you use Iceblock.

Try not to have your Water Elemental too close to you.

Cold Snap resets your Cone of Cold, Nova and Ice Barrier too! Don't forget.

Eat your mana emerald when your mana's 2.2k down.

Spam Ice Lance, don't let him get out of combat.

Don't blow your loads (Fire Blast and CoC) when cheat death is up. Wait for 3 seconds if possible.

Trinket on Blind. Some rogues would blind your pet. Save it for Cheap Shot and Blink on Kidney Shot!


All these are just some pointers on how to improve your fight against a rogue. More often than not, he'll own you. Rogues used to be easy for a frost mage but now they have Shadow Step and Cheat death.

They are FOTM like Warlocks once were at the moment so, its ok when you get owned by one

why not??

yeah i was hit by one today and i iceblocked and he waited next to me and i nova and soon... i was using /mourn on him

This post has been edited by scyap: Jun 14 2008, 11:51 PM

cuz getting stunned by kidneyshot is more fatal. and thats provided the rogue cheapshots anyways. they just garrote nowdays on mages. at least i garrote all the time i could.

as for elemental, elem close to you = EZ control. be it killing it (i can 2-3 shot most mages water elemental) or kicking it to school lock frost so it cant nova

Now i'd like to ask, how should a warlock counter a rogue ??

i know dot keeps rogue from unstealth but i cant just dot yet because he comes from my back via stealth, and stunlock and by the time all he stuns and spells he used are done, im dead

i heard succubus seduce and you soulfire but the succubus cant be on your tail all the time , at least if u were a mage, u could blink off to avoid a stunlock then summon pet... but how on a warlock??

even if u deathcoil, and while casting another fear, would he trinket+vanish+sap and re-start a fight??


edit-
Quazacolt, thx for the quartz addon suggestion, real nice

This post has been edited by scyap: Jul 22 2008, 09:40 PM

Rogue rape locks.

i beg to differ :> locks on my server proves other wise

moar stam? LOL!

http://www.gomtv.net/wow/vod/205

Refer to the 1v1 matches btw mage and rogue

SL/SL, either felhunter to attempt denial of rogue opener (not likely, unless you got goggles/perception and even then sub rogues have 10yd sap, and can counter your stealth detect via various means/cooldowns) or VW for 10% additional melee mitigation

resil cap along with 12-14k unbuffed hp is almost a must against top tiered rogues. engineering boots/belt will help too, considering its a 1v1 duel. glickz innovated armor setup is also proven to be effective.

do not summon succubus, its a joke against good rogues and will only get you killed, soul linked or not. save your deathcoil when you really need it, preferably after rogue trinket/CLOS, that way you can get full benefit outta DC. rogue needs to cloak sooner or later especially if you start fight out with amp COA, else his hp will dip too low. try to save YOUR trinket for a crucial 6pt KS, break free and dont immediately fear, kite + dots and wait for an opportunity, fake some fears and if once you know he cant interrupt, fear away and its usually a dead rogue. undeads may be a lil be tougher though with WOTF.

usually, rogues wont vanish sap to restart fight as fight drags, rogue has less cooldowns and against a lock he will be at a disadvantage. a standard rush down is what rogues would do.

and np on quartz.

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Added on July 23, 2008, 10:30 amrogues on your server are terribads then.

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Added on July 23, 2008, 10:30 amjust stam wouldnt help a whole lot once you capped out at 12-14k hp unbuffed.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jul 23 2008, 10:30 AM

whats SL/SL??? SoulLink/SoulLink ??

whats 6pt KS ??

and what would you do if he is on CloS? at least on mages u can blink or ice block

This post has been edited by scyap: Jul 23 2008, 08:12 PM

siphon life/soul link. 24/37/0 or some variant

Just roll a lock, Problem solved.

sorry typo, 5pt ks. kidneyshot basically.

tank through CLOS then, no other choice. you have a lot of hp/resil and SL/SL afterall.

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Added on July 24, 2008, 3:19 pmgood video, especially the 3v3 sections. the 1v1 however was a total snorefest especially the mage v mage.

somethings to point out in particular to rogue v mage:
- minaegi's mage is good
- clazzi's rogue is totally TERRIBAD
- BEM is the BEST BET the rogue has, and he BLEW IT so hardcore it seemed like some 1500-1700 rating playing that character
- Ruins the rogue decided to stop sucking and step up, however on an open field, your not gonna have a whole lot of chance vs a good frost mage
- minaegi's mage is using eng belt + boots while rogue doesnt seem to have the belt?
- clazzi's rogue is undergeared while the mage is pretty much decked
- they using arena maps on 1v1's which puts rogues' restealthing abilities at a disadvantage with the crystals. and even then the rogue didnt capitalize the extra 5% dmg.
- rogue's using horrible cheapshot spams, gouges way too retardedly much, wasting time trying to outrun a FROST mage so many times while minaegi's mage, being good, always turn it against him by dumping in MORE dmg with AM/lance spams

all in all, a complete horrible MISMATCH.
the only thing worth noting is the 3v3's, the early parts of the mage v mage, especially the minaegi's mage highlights. clazzi's mage is horrible and being a total god damn wuss.

props to minaegi's mage, talks so much shit (that he backs up with his action), got a good look, and being the team's captain. perfect player right there imo

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jul 24 2008, 03:19 PM