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TSscyap
post Jun 10 2008, 02:01 PM, updated 18y ago

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i'm a mage and often killed by rogues

how do i beat them back??
i mean, any strategies or tactics to share??

im a frost mage with 37/0/24 talent build, 1k bonus spell damage but i do NOT mean "how to kill noob rogues"
what i mean is, how to kill a professional well equippted rogue that suddenly pops out of stealth and slay you??

currently i depend much on ice armor, blink (when cheapshootted) and frost nova when they get near... but still its hard with their sprint and CloS
when they get near, i can only nova, run while ice-lance, fire blast and Presence of Mind to frost bolt as i wont have any time to actually cast a spell

any tips n tricks?? icon_question.gif

This post has been edited by scyap: Jun 10 2008, 02:02 PM
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post Jun 10 2008, 02:33 PM

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yeah im talking about one on one

and some people say "use rank 1 fireball, with its DoT, de rogue cant invi!!!"
but hell, i wont have time to cast fireball and rank one (<1s casting) is only 4 seconds hmm.gif hmm.gif

EDIT-
is there also an addon that will instantly target an opponent that has recently hit u??
cuz in some occasions where casters hide(or from an angle u cant see such as high places) and throw a spell at you
instead of looking at combatlog and use /tar, any addon to help?

This post has been edited by scyap: Jun 10 2008, 02:53 PM
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post Jun 10 2008, 04:28 PM

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lol... thx, nice guide...
urm... i dont have super low latency and i dont have any haste proc...

hmmm, a shatter combo is icelance , isn't it??
and since i've never ever used the pet before, i'd like to ask, cold snap does refresh pet's cd??

and would i lose lots crit without using spell power from arcane if i do 17/0/44?

so... how do i actually kill de rogue?? its more like spamming ice lances and other instant casts


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post Jun 10 2008, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(ubhm @ Jun 10 2008, 04:32 PM)
What quazacolt said, you need to play deepfrost. Note that elemental also does freeze for shatter combos, if u take engineering u can use frost grenade for shatter combos too, swift potion or goblin rocket boots to keep the distance from the rogue. Theres going to be a lot of running and instant cast. Nova-cone-icelance-fireblast.

whats a 37-0-24 used for?
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oh... im a max JC and miner

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 10 2008, 04:41 PM)
a simple and basic shatter combo is frost nova, frostbolt > icelance while target is frozen to gain +50% crit chance
some complex ones includes but is not limited to: fnova > fbolt + lance >fbolt cast and when its almost finish, pet nova then fbolt + icelance + fireblast

coldsnap doesnt refresh CD, but it does refresh the water elemental summon spell, in which you can summon, use up its mana, elemental death or summon duration, cold snap, and summon another one.

and no, you dont lose lots of crits, in fact, you GAIN MORE crit.

and no, unless the rogue is lagging HORRIBLY without clos/shadowstep and or half/almost dead, spamming icelances and instants will never EVER kill a competant rogue.


Added on June 10, 2008, 4:43 pm

cone is barely used by mages for dps, its only served as a backup fnova as it snares better than fbolt. that said, cone overwrites fbolt snare and the snare duration is shorter, so its also a double edged sword.

the only exception would be aoes and/or your target is almost dead and cone would be ideal to add in some added dmg to finish said target off.

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typo edit and addins

37/0/24 is either lol spec, or pve i suppose. not much value in pvp.
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i was using 37/0/24 becuase i thought Spell Power was nice crit and i thought, why not Mind Mastery since im so far into the arcane tree.......... blush.gif
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post Jun 11 2008, 02:28 PM

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so now it seems like Cloak of Shadows and Shadow Step is the most scary and i dont think ShadowStep cant be avoided...

How do u know when a rogue Cloak of Shad??
i dont have a rogue so i dont know...

how do u know when he CloS? such as visual effects ??
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post Jun 14 2008, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 12 2008, 08:15 PM)
Don't blink out of Cheap Shot, but Kidney Shot if possible.

Try not to have your Water Elemental too close to you.

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why not??

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 11 2008, 03:28 PM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


this guide is either SEVERELY outdated, or full of fail.

rogues with high ap will have low hp? i lol at that. armory me for more details tongue.gif
then wheres trinket? wheres lolstep? wheres cheat death?

someone needs to update that wowwiki entry already tongue.gif


Added on June 11, 2008, 3:30 pm

an easier explanation:

scyap, have you seen or met a shadow priest? have you seen them morphing from holy (or normal) form into shadow form?

that. a rogue becomes a shadow priest for 5 seconds. (same graphic, same sound.)
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yeah i was hit by one today and i iceblocked and he waited next to me and i nova and soon... i was using /mourn on him

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post Jul 22 2008, 09:37 PM

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Now i'd like to ask, how should a warlock counter a rogue ??

i know dot keeps rogue from unstealth but i cant just dot yet because he comes from my back via stealth, and stunlock and by the time all he stuns and spells he used are done, im dead

i heard succubus seduce and you soulfire but the succubus cant be on your tail all the time , at least if u were a mage, u could blink off to avoid a stunlock then summon pet... but how on a warlock??

even if u deathcoil, and while casting another fear, would he trinket+vanish+sap and re-start a fight??


edit-
Quazacolt, thx for the quartz addon suggestion, real nice

This post has been edited by scyap: Jul 22 2008, 09:40 PM
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post Jul 23 2008, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 23 2008, 10:29 AM)
SL/SL, either felhunter to attempt denial of rogue opener (not likely, unless you got goggles/perception and even then sub rogues have 10yd sap, and can counter your stealth detect via various means/cooldowns) or VW for 10% additional melee mitigation

resil cap along with 12-14k unbuffed hp is almost a must against top tiered rogues. engineering boots/belt will help too, considering its a 1v1 duel. glickz innovated armor setup is also proven to be effective.

do not summon succubus, its a joke against good rogues and will only get you killed, soul linked or not. save your deathcoil when you really need it, preferably after rogue trinket/CLOS, that way you can get full benefit outta DC. rogue needs to cloak sooner or later especially if you start fight out with amp COA, else his hp will dip too low. try to save YOUR trinket for a crucial 6pt KS,
whats SL/SL??? SoulLink/SoulLink ??

whats 6pt KS ??

and what would you do if he is on CloS? at least on mages u can blink or ice block

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