skilllance takes skill.

TS is talking bout 1v1 right here

if you got haste proc, or ur latency damn good AND/OR have quartz addon to early cast cancel, rank1 fb is very possible. though most pros just blast their way through with pure frost (unless ur a fire mage, in which ur not)

as for that addon, ive never used it as i didnt really have the need to do it. a little far fetched, but... GO 5.1 speakers LOL! (yea i have 5.1, and yea, fireball coming from behind ill be able to hear it clearly and ill react accordingly.)

on a more serious note though, its really hard to explain how to improve urself against a rogue. my best advice is to go warcraftmovies and download good mage pvp videos (arena rating of over 2-2.2k+)
arena, or 1v1/duels/BG's (especially PVN BGs whereby pvn = player versus numbers aka 1 vs 2 or more opponents at the same time)

another tip, is to spec ur build to the cookie cutter 17/0/44.
dual iceblocks helps heaps against rogues, and so does that annoying frost elemental. ill give you a situation on ur current build:
rogue cheapshot, you blink, he shadow step, ur kidneyshotted and free dps unless you trinket or iceblock.
perform either one, ur still screwed as rogue will have 2 more cooldowns (vanish/blind) ahead of you, and once ur blown off of IB/trinket, its blind bandage time. you lose.

and thats IF rogue does a cheapshot. most rogues will garrote you, getting combo and bleeding you, AND silences you in which your free dps for a while and again, the moment you blink, rogue will shadowstep and kidneyshot, by then, depending on ur gear and rogue's gear, you could be anywhere from 20-80% hp. while rogue is practically still 100%, with cloak of shadows and all his cooldowns.

what the standard cookie build does is that you get 2 iceblock, which is self explanatory. and most importantly, a 2nd pair of nova from your elemental in which you can either use it to save your ass, or provide more dmg from shatter combos (if you dont understand whats a shatter combo, read WoW forums or google it up, or just watch top mage arena videos)

a simple and basic shatter combo is frost nova, frostbolt > icelance while target is frozen to gain +50% crit chance
some complex ones includes but is not limited to: fnova > fbolt + lance >fbolt cast and when its almost finish, pet nova then fbolt + icelance + fireblast

coldsnap doesnt refresh CD, but it does refresh the water elemental summon spell, in which you can summon, use up its mana, elemental death or summon duration, cold snap, and summon another one.

and no, you dont lose lots of crits, in fact, you GAIN MORE crit.

and no, unless the rogue is lagging HORRIBLY without clos/shadowstep and or half/almost dead, spamming icelances and instants will never EVER kill a competant rogue.

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Added on June 10, 2008, 4:43 pmcone is barely used by mages for dps, its only served as a backup fnova as it snares better than fbolt. that said, cone overwrites fbolt snare and the snare duration is shorter, so its also a double edged sword.

the only exception would be aoes and/or your target is almost dead and cone would be ideal to add in some added dmg to finish said target off.

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typo edit and addins

37/0/24 is either lol spec, or pve i suppose. not much value in pvp.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 10 2008, 04:48 PM

vurtne videos features terribad players. but his PVN is fun to watch nonetheless. pretty much for entertainment, not so much if you want to seriously learn technical materials though.

another example would be drakedog's video vs say, glick or azazel (or azael?)

iceblock you can ALWAYS do it under ANY circumstances MINUS frost school lock. (eg: kick during frostbolt cast)
blink on the other hand if ur kick have silence, then yes you cant blink. and/or arcane school lock (eg: casting sheep)

good frost mages dominate rogues.
heck, mages (frost in particular) dominated rogues for the longest time i could remember...

until the sub buff days, which is.... now.

but that still doesnt mean they cant win

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Added on June 10, 2008, 8:11 pmthats why i said lolspec. relying solely on crit on a resil heavy target is going to cost you dearly

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 10 2008, 08:11 PM

this guide is either SEVERELY outdated, or full of fail.

rogues with high ap will have low hp? i lol at that. armory me for more details
then wheres trinket? wheres lolstep? wheres cheat death?

someone needs to update that wowwiki entry already

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Added on June 11, 2008, 3:30 pman easier explanation:

scyap, have you seen or met a shadow priest? have you seen them morphing from holy (or normal) form into shadow form?

that. a rogue becomes a shadow priest for 5 seconds. (same graphic, same sound.)

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 11 2008, 03:30 PM

cuz getting stunned by kidneyshot is more fatal. and thats provided the rogue cheapshots anyways. they just garrote nowdays on mages. at least i garrote all the time i could.

as for elemental, elem close to you = EZ control. be it killing it (i can 2-3 shot most mages water elemental) or kicking it to school lock frost so it cant nova

SL/SL, either felhunter to attempt denial of rogue opener (not likely, unless you got goggles/perception and even then sub rogues have 10yd sap, and can counter your stealth detect via various means/cooldowns) or VW for 10% additional melee mitigation

resil cap along with 12-14k unbuffed hp is almost a must against top tiered rogues. engineering boots/belt will help too, considering its a 1v1 duel. glickz innovated armor setup is also proven to be effective.

do not summon succubus, its a joke against good rogues and will only get you killed, soul linked or not. save your deathcoil when you really need it, preferably after rogue trinket/CLOS, that way you can get full benefit outta DC. rogue needs to cloak sooner or later especially if you start fight out with amp COA, else his hp will dip too low. try to save YOUR trinket for a crucial 6pt KS, break free and dont immediately fear, kite + dots and wait for an opportunity, fake some fears and if once you know he cant interrupt, fear away and its usually a dead rogue. undeads may be a lil be tougher though with WOTF.

usually, rogues wont vanish sap to restart fight as fight drags, rogue has less cooldowns and against a lock he will be at a disadvantage. a standard rush down is what rogues would do.

and np on quartz.

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Added on July 23, 2008, 10:30 amrogues on your server are terribads then.

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Added on July 23, 2008, 10:30 amjust stam wouldnt help a whole lot once you capped out at 12-14k hp unbuffed.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jul 23 2008, 10:30 AM

sorry typo, 5pt ks. kidneyshot basically.

tank through CLOS then, no other choice. you have a lot of hp/resil and SL/SL afterall.

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Added on July 24, 2008, 3:19 pmgood video, especially the 3v3 sections. the 1v1 however was a total snorefest especially the mage v mage.

somethings to point out in particular to rogue v mage:
- minaegi's mage is good
- clazzi's rogue is totally TERRIBAD
- BEM is the BEST BET the rogue has, and he BLEW IT so hardcore it seemed like some 1500-1700 rating playing that character
- Ruins the rogue decided to stop sucking and step up, however on an open field, your not gonna have a whole lot of chance vs a good frost mage
- minaegi's mage is using eng belt + boots while rogue doesnt seem to have the belt?
- clazzi's rogue is undergeared while the mage is pretty much decked
- they using arena maps on 1v1's which puts rogues' restealthing abilities at a disadvantage with the crystals. and even then the rogue didnt capitalize the extra 5% dmg.
- rogue's using horrible cheapshot spams, gouges way too retardedly much, wasting time trying to outrun a FROST mage so many times while minaegi's mage, being good, always turn it against him by dumping in MORE dmg with AM/lance spams

all in all, a complete horrible MISMATCH.
the only thing worth noting is the 3v3's, the early parts of the mage v mage, especially the minaegi's mage highlights. clazzi's mage is horrible and being a total god damn wuss.

props to minaegi's mage, talks so much shit (that he backs up with his action), got a good look, and being the team's captain. perfect player right there imo

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jul 24 2008, 03:19 PM