this is going to be a blunt question , but which GPS is better , nokia n85 or samsung INNOV8 (i8510) ?

sorry for repeating, but I'm trading in phones tmr .. so have to decide quickyl

I been using the latest version of the software and maps. i will come back with some comments later in the evening when i test out the garmin again.

U actually have to purchase Garmin Mobile XT. GPS usage is FOC though.

Garmin does not come installed with the N85 but I believe some retailers would be obliged to do it for u if u request them to. Otherwise, do a google

Installation of themes are rite but note that there's no 'Delete' function for themes in the phone nor does it have any removal function from the Nokia Apps.

You'll have to remove it the "MANUAL" way. Lucky u installed them in the memory card. I wouldn't have any idea if u place it in the phone memory.

Steps to remove themes (from memory card) :

1. Connect the phone via USB cable and select the Mass Storage mode.
2. Using My Computer, browse the memory card. Activate "Show Hidden Files" in your windows.
3. Goto hidden folder named : Private
4. Goto folder named : 10207114 (inside Private)
5. You will see many folders with names like strings of numbers and alphabets. One theme in each folder.
6. Goto inside each folder.
7. Using notepad, open the file with .skn extension.
8. Try to distinguish the name of the theme within the codes in the file opened by your notepad. (Tips : Scroll horizontally)
9. Once u identified the name of the theme u wish to delete, close the notepad, remember the name of the folder.
10. Delete the folder with all its contents inside.
11. Do the same for other themes u wish to delete.

Can't answer u on that, I have not touched or seen an INNOV8. But I can tell u this. Initially I was deciding between N85 and SE C905 which also has GPS. My only reason choosing N85 is that N85 being S60 has the capability to install 3rd party application such as the Garmin while the C905 is I think S40 or SE proprietary OS. So C905 is only limited to the GPS software that comes with it or u can just install Java Applets which I do not think there's any GPS nav software available.

Garmin advantage over the Nokia Maps or even SE's nav software (dunno what's the name) is that there's a local community in a forum constantly contributing towards updating the local (Malaysia & Singapore) map so u can be assured of the latest up to date map available. For nokia and se, their application is good (Nokia Maps no need to 'recalculate' to give u an alternate route when u miss a turn) but no matter how good a software is, if the map and routing table is not up to date, it is as good as unusable. There's once Nokia Maps asking me to turn right at the T junction where its only one way street to the left. Malaysian roads change all the time and u need up to date maps.

This post has been edited by yupio: Dec 1 2008, 01:28 PM

How can you view the hidden folder? I thought N85 is unh**kable & only h**ked phone can view the hidden folder?

is it my phone problem or the gps connectivity for today is poor.

I have been able to get only a bar of satellite signal for waiting of 15 minutes.

i using main menu tools=>Connections=>GPS data , then options=> to test the Satellite status and it is also 1 grey bar available only.

From what I know to be able to navigate i need at least 4 bar

thanks for the guide. i can't believe that Nokia still hasn't implemented an easy delete function for installed themes. in my previous SE phones, just hightlight and delete the theme was all it took.

you can view hidden folder inside ur external memory only through usb connection to pc, it is not possible to view hidden file for phone memory that is why it is unhackable

Just got this phone from maxis deals. Not bad, very fast interface compared to N95.

Very very fingerprint-prone.

Like Alexdino mentioned....its not the phone's system folder I am referring to. Its the memory card's hidden folder. So u just go to My Computer and at the top menu go to Tools > Folder Options > View > Show Hidden Files and Folders.

Well, N85 does not come with the most sensitive GPS receiver and very much depending on the environment (in a car, heavy tint, bad weather, blocked by tall buildings in the vicinity, sat is at a difficult line of sight angle to u, stardust blocking the sat n u ) at times, u might be able to get more sat connected if u start moving and come to a better reception area. At times, if the area u are in is bad, even u waited for 1 hour would not yield u a good result. This applies not just to the N85 but for all GPS receivers.

yeah, i can't believe it too...i spent like 30 mins trying and exploring the menus and the Nokia apps for a delete function till i gave up on it n start googling

This post has been edited by yupio: Dec 1 2008, 03:19 PM

I been using 6110 and it works awesome with fast connectivity...... maybe i been spoiled by 6110 fast connectivity speed,,,,...........

I on a clear sky this morning and keep still keep getting "signal lost"......

im searching through nokia website and found that the poor satellite signal is because the gps device on n85 is at the back of the battery cover. i have been advice to take out the battery cover to test the signal again..... if i can recieve the signal means that my n85 maybe faulty.

Is there anything that can prevent the fingerprints/smudges/oil on this phone?

Add a film/laminate?

wear a glove

or get other phone

honestly, if u skin it, you're not gonna enjoy the feel of the phone.

If u wanna get this phone, then enjoy it to the fullest, just clean it whenever u can but when using, just use it like normal. That'z how u enjoy the N85

can some one tell me what is OLED and whats so special about it?

hrm, sounds like your N85 has very weak reception. Mine does not perform as bad. So far, if i can see the sky (not in tunnel, etc) theres no lost signal at all.

U might wanna have it checked!

I m using it in an upright position that is using a phone holder in my car.

This post has been edited by yupio: Dec 1 2008, 06:21 PM

yes i m using the phone holder also....
strange just now morning i can at least connect to satellite only to have "connection lost" but in the afternoon i cant even get any gps signal travel from my workplace to home.

whoa thats pretty weired, must quickly go n get it checked. Something's definitely wrong. Try restarting ur phone or verify the settings.

Seriously, N85 cant delete theme? All previous S60 devices i use capable of that. All themes installed should show up in application manager unless the theme not created according to specification.

may i know what is the setting available in the phone for Gps?

what i can get is tools=>Connections=>GPS data => positioning setting => positioning method = assisted gps (tick), integrated gps (tick), network based (tick) then for positioning server => positioning server use = automatic, access point = 3g....

I will try again tomorrow see if got anything improve,

if not i ill try to reset to factory default, if still cannot ill have to go back to the ap supplier

OLED stands for Organic Light Emitting Diode

Typical LCD screen requires backlight and in usual case uses fluorescent backlight. Newer mode advance tech uses LED backlight. LED in this sense is the typical white colour LED. OLED is different because the backlight is not generated by any other means but the LCD screen itself. This tech enables the specific part of the screen to glow and glow in the amount required to produce the clarity and brightness. Other areas that do not need light (example black colour) will not light.

OLED gives, more contrast colour and blacker black compared to typical LCD. The organic thing glow when a low voltage is applied and by making specific area glow only means u get more efficient energy consumption. OLED screens typically squeeze less juice than the LCD n yet produces better pictures.

For typical LCD, the backlight's brightness is fixed, its like a panel of white light.

Our N85 uses AM OLED (Active Matrix OLED), supposedly has a lifespan of 30,000 hours. OLED main disadvantage is short lifespan. Normal OLED can lasts only around 15,000 hours compared to LED backlight which lasts at least 60,000 hours. This AM OLED is much improved such that it's lifespan is not double that of typical OLED.

Above explanation is pretty layman in my own words, certainly not structured properly, hope u can understand what i am saying

This post has been edited by yupio: Dec 1 2008, 10:45 PM

Thx man I understand what you were saying, how about if the OLED over the lifespan? Do we need to change or? How much does it cost?