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tomcatf14
post Aug 28 2009, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 28 2009, 03:02 PM)
No, today just means ex-right, means today buyer doesn't entitle for the right issue.

You already entitled the right issue and the right (OR) will be commence listing on 3rd Sept (for a week or so), by then you can sell it if you not intend to exercise the right. The right issue exercise dateline should be after 2 weeks time, not now.
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Sorry....I don't really understand this...This is my 1st time encountering right issues. I bought it at 0.84 and the current price is 0.69...This mean I can let go anytime before 3rd Sept and buy at 0.50?
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post Aug 28 2009, 03:17 PM

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LISTING'S CIRCULAR NO. L/Q : 54272 OF 2009
RENOUNCEABLE RIGHTS ISSUE OF UP TO 208,320,775 NEW ORDINARY SHARES OF RM0.20
EACH IN GPB (RIGHTS SHARES) TOGETHER WITH UP TO 208,320,775 FREE DETACHABLE
NEW WARRANTS (WARRANTS) ON THE BASIS OF ONE (1) RIGHTS SHARE WITH ONE (1)
WARRANT FOR EVERY TWO (2) EXISTING ORDINARY SHARES OF RM0.20 EACH IN GPB
(RIGHTS ISSUE).
Kindly be advised of the following :
1) The Rights commence of trading : [ 3 September 2009 ]
2) The Date of Despatch of the Prospectus and Provisional Allotment Letter of
Offer :
[ 4 September 2009 ]
3) The last day and time for Acceptance, Renunciation and Payment :
[ 17 September 2009 @ 5:00pm ]
4) The Rights cease quotation : [ 10 September 2009 ]
The Stock Short Name, Number and ISIN Code [ GPACKET-OR, 0082OR and
MYQ0082OR009 ] respectively
MANAGER, SEC. MARKET

FOC rights for you to sell in the open market if you don't want to exercise it.

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post Aug 28 2009, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(tomcatf14 @ Aug 28 2009, 03:08 PM)
Sorry....I don't really understand this...This is my 1st time encountering right issues. I bought it at 0.84 and the current price is 0.69...{s]This mean I can let go anytime before 3rd Sept [/s] and buy at 0.50?
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The above strike part is wrong. You can let go now still entitle the right issue.

Yes.

Now you have Gpacket and Gpacket-OR (which is going to be listed on 3rd Sept)

Option you have

1. Let go current Gpacket share at RM0.6x now, then exercise the right issue at Rm0.50 afterward

2. Keep the current Gpacket share, but sell the Gpacket-OR after it listed. (probably around worth about 10 cents+ based on current mothershare price)

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post Aug 28 2009, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 28 2009, 03:17 PM)
The above strike part is wrong. You can let go now still entitle the right issue.

Yes.

Now you have Gpacket and Gpacket-OR (which is going to be listed on 3rd Sept)

Option you have

1. Let go current Gpacket share at RM0.6x now, then exercise the right issue at Rm0.50 afterward

2. Keep the current Gpacket share, but sell the Gpacket-OR after it listed. (probably around worth about 10 cents+ based on current mothershare price)
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I think I'm more comfortable with option 2. And wait for the current Gpacket price to go up? I am really very new to rights and warrant...so don't really want to rock the boat so much. Are we expecting the Gpacket price to go back up to 0.80++ soon?
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post Aug 28 2009, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(tomcatf14 @ Aug 28 2009, 03:29 PM)
I think I'm more comfortable with option 2. And wait for the current Gpacket price to go up? I am really very new to rights and warrant...so don't really want to rock the boat so much. Are we expecting the Gpacket price to go back up to 0.80++ soon?
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Nobody can know whether it can go back to 80 cents or not or even higher. It depended on overall market condition and individual company issue.

But if you managed to sell the Gpacket-OR after 3rd September (which is given you free one), let say 10 cents, you effective origin cost of the Gpacket share is 0.84-0.10= 0.74

So if Gpacket-OR is traded at RM0.20, and you managed to sell it, then you cost is only 0.64.

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post Aug 28 2009, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 28 2009, 03:35 PM)
Nobody can know whether it can go back to 80 cents or not or even higher. It depended on overall market condition and individual company issue.

But if you managed to sell the Gpacket-OR after 3rd September (which is given you free one), let say 10 cents, you effective origin cost of the Gpacket share is 0.84-0.10= 0.74

So if Gpacket-OR is traded at RM0.20, and you managed to sell it, then you cost is only 0.64.
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Do I get the Gpacket-OR automatically w/o doing/paying anything?

*I think I really need to get an stock market investment book from Borders later* Any to recommend?

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post Aug 28 2009, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(tomcatf14 @ Aug 28 2009, 03:42 PM)
Do I get the Gpacket-OR automatically w/o doing/paying anything?

*I think I really need to get an stock market investment book from Borders later* Any to recommend?
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Yes, affirmative 100.1%. biggrin.gif

But Gpacket-OR will only listed from 3rd Sept to 10 Sept, after that it will cease listing. So want to sell must within the 1 week time.
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post Aug 28 2009, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 28 2009, 03:47 PM)
Yes, affirmative 100.1%.  biggrin.gif

But Gpacket-OR will only listed from 3rd Sept to 10 Sept, after that it will cease listing. So want to sell must within the 1 week time.
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How do I know if I already got the Gpacket-OR? It will automatically appear in my OSK account? When will I be able to get the Gpacket-OR? I have 2800 units of Gpacket, how many Gpacket-OR I will get?

I google some info on rights issue over here:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_issue

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Basic example

An investor: Mr. A had 100 shares of company X at a total investment of $40,000, assuming he purchased the shares at $400 per share.

Assuming a 1:1 rights issue at an offer price of $200, Mr. A will have the option to subscribe to additional 100 shares of the company at the offer price. Now, if he exercises his option, he would have to pay an additional $20,000 in order to acquire the shares, thus effectively bringing his average cost of acquisition for the 200 shares to $300 per share ((40,000+20,000)/200=300). Although the price on the stock markets should reflect a new price of $300 (see below), the investor is actually not making any profit nor any loss.

The company: Company X has 100 million outstanding shares. The share price currently quoted on the stock exchanges is $400 thus the market capitalization of the stock would be $40 billion (outstanding shares times share price).

If all the shareholders of the company choose to exercise their stock option, the company's outstanding shares would increase to 200 million. The market capitalization of the stock would increase to $60 billion (previous market capitalization + cash received from owners of rights converting their rights to shares), implying a share price of $300 ($60 billion / 200 million shares). If the company were to do nothing with the raised money, its Earnings per share (EPS) would be reduced by half. However, if the equity raised by the company is reinvested (e.g. to acquire another company), the EPS may be impacted depending upon the outcome of the reinvestment.

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post Aug 28 2009, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(tomcatf14 @ Aug 28 2009, 03:52 PM)
How do I know if I already got the Gpacket-OR? It will automatically appear in my OSK account? When will I be able to get the Gpacket-OR? I have 2800 units of Gpacket, how many Gpacket-OR I will get?
You will have 1400 Gpacket-OR which you can sell, but reconfirm with your OSK broker first so that it is confirmed the OR has been credited into your CDS to avoid potential mistake.

Or

You don't sell the OR but subscribe the right issue at RM0.50 per share or in your case Rm0.50 x 1400 by paying Rm700 which you will be given a new 1400 Gpacket share + free 1400 Gpacket new warrant. (Gpacket-WA which will be listed afterward the right issue exercise completed.)
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post Aug 28 2009, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 28 2009, 04:02 PM)
You will have 1400 Gpacket-OR which you can sell, but reconfirm with your OSK broker first so that it is confirmed the OR has been credited into your CDS to avoid potential mistake.

Or

You don't sell the OR but subscribe the right issue at RM0.50 per share or in your case Rm0.50 x 1400 by paying Rm700 which you will be given a new 1400 Gpacket share + free 1400 Gpacket new warrant. (Gpacket-WA which will be listed afterward the right issue exercise completed.)
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I think my broker don't even know what I'm saying. He just said that I need to apply to get the right issue which I didn't and today is the last day. What should I ask him? To make the picture clear, I did not nothing on this share beside buying Gpacket 2 weeks back.
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post Aug 28 2009, 04:39 PM

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You can see the OR shares in the OSK account. Click equities -> Account info. In the new window, select shares at hand.

I think you will only be able to see the shares a day after 03-Sep.
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QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Aug 28 2009, 04:39 PM)
You can see the OR shares in the OSK account. Click equities -> Account info. In the new window, select shares at hand.

I think you will only be able to see the shares a day after 03-Sep.
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Thanks..Let me get this right again..I don't have to apply/purchase for the OR, right? It will appear automatically or given automatically to me after 03-sept?
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QUOTE(tomcatf14 @ Aug 28 2009, 04:29 PM)
I think my broker don't even know what I'm saying. He just said that I need to apply to get the right issue which I didn't and today is the last day. What should I ask him? To make the picture clear, I did not nothing on this share beside buying Gpacket 2 weeks back.
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This is definitely wrong.

QUOTE(tomcatf14 @ Aug 28 2009, 04:52 PM)
Thanks..Let me get this right again..I don't have to apply/purchase for the OR, right? It will appear automatically or given automatically to me after 03-sept?
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Yes and yes, but do check your CDS account before you sell (the OR), just to reconfirm.
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post Aug 28 2009, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 28 2009, 05:10 PM)
This is definitely wrong.
Yes and yes, but do check your CDS account before you sell (the OR), just to reconfirm.
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What is CDS account? and what to check? I only have OSK online trading account.

*I'm really sorry to be a pain...I'm still very new to stock market jargon...I'm a pure IT man so I'm good in IT jargon but noob in stock jargon*

You have any idea how much 1400 units of Gpacket-OR worth?

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QUOTE(tomcatf14 @ Aug 28 2009, 05:13 PM)
What is CDS account? and what to check? I only have OSK online trading account.

*I'm really sorry to be a pain...I'm still very new to stock market jargon...I'm a pure IT man so I'm good in IT jargon but noob in stock jargon*

You have any idea how much 1400 units of Gpacket-OR worth?
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CDS account is the account that holds your share,n just like bank saving account. If don't have a clue, just call the broker ask them is there any Gpacket-OR has been credited into your account for you to sell on 3rd. (the account that holds your previous Gpacket share)

1400 -OR worth only will be known after 3rd Sept, after it listed.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 28 2009, 05:20 PM)
CDS account is the account that holds your share,n just like bank saving account. If don't have a clue, just call the broker ask them is there any Gpacket-OR has been credited into your account for you to sell on 3rd. (the account that holds your previous Gpacket share)

1400 -OR worth only will be known after 3rd Sept, after it listed.
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Ok..I have checked my CDS account and still does not see the Gpacket-OR yet.....

GregPG01 said that I could only see it after 3rd September. Should I call my broker to confirm this?

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QUOTE(tomcatf14 @ Aug 28 2009, 05:30 PM)
Ok..I have checked my CDS account and still does not see the Gpacket-OR yet.....

GregPG01 said that I could only see it after 3rd September. Should I call my broker to confirm this?
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Yup, Gpacket-OR only will be 'born' on 3rd Sept. biggrin.gif

That's why previously I stated to call the broker for reconfirm (it should be there on 3rd, just to reconfirm) if you want to sell it. As if there is some mistake (who knows), selling something you doesn't own is a serious offend in stock market trading.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 28 2009, 06:02 PM)
Yup, Gpacket-OR only will be 'born' on 3rd Sept.  biggrin.gif

That's why previously I stated to call the broker for reconfirm (it should be there on 3rd, just to reconfirm) if you want to sell it. As if there is some mistake (who knows), selling something you doesn't own is a serious offend in stock market trading.
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I just called my broker and said technically I should get the -OR on 2nd Sept. Asked me to recheck with him on 2nd.
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So if between the sell period the GPACKET-OR is not sold, means the shares will just expire?
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QUOTE(Spasm81 @ Aug 29 2009, 01:24 AM)
So if between the sell period the GPACKET-OR is not sold, means the shares will just expire?
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If you didn't subscribe and didn't sell, you will lose out. So if you plan to sell the OR, don't bother subscribing.


Here is some advice when subscribing, ALWAYS subscribe extra than what you deserve! There is an option for you to do it in the forms. Check with your broker/remisier and pay accordingly. Unclaimed rights will be distributed to people who subscribe extra.


In thislink, you can see that Part II of the form allows you to apply for excess rights. Just apply as many as you want and pay. If you don't get it, it'll be refunded to you.

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