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post Aug 1 2008, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Aug 1 2008, 09:18 PM)
intergrated also
i think it's 55i
i comparing both intergrated.
for me. pre/power configuration is a dream that is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FAR away from me.
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i do listen it with jazz and classical.
the fastest song i listen is take dake "ju ju"
most of my song collection were jazz.... janis ian..andrea bocelli sort of things.
the speed i mean is not for fast pace of music. it's really accurate... when we talking about detail. we can often say micro detail. however this speed i am refering is. making the sonus faber free from "lagg". or the speed for micro detail that it doesn't makes the sound sticky... hopes u get what i mean. my experience is  i listening to Yo-yo Ma. the extra speed and extra accuracies makes the cello sounds realistic. which pops in my mind that "hm.. this sounds more like cello to me.." and the emotion really did well. controlling SF really great. which i don't even can obtain same amount of emotion with my own setup although i blast it with much louder volume. the emotion is just not there.
as compare to primare setup i tried in CMY. primare is good for proac. but imho. Krell / Audio research is more fun for Sonus.
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What a great analysis, pcwork!

I am not too much for detail or too accurate, as long as i can listen to all kind of music instruments and well defined as if the musician are playing in front of you, naturally, feel comfortably, grainless, never stop from listening...

I am looking forward to audition audio analogue puccini settanta, krell kav400xi with SFCD when i am really free.

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post Aug 2 2008, 05:15 AM

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Aug 2 2008, 02:00 AM)
when i bought my SFCD. i thinking of "AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE" and those words slaps in my brain deeply.
hence i was thinking i don't even upgrade my amp from NAD.
i am quite happy with heavily modified NAD. however. now. after i tested the krell with my own sonus, i really miss the "control" of the amp.
it's not matter of how loud. it's matter of controlling. and the speed / accuracies will truly add refinement on reproducing the great minor notes that is SO important in orchestra / vocal / jazz... which it truly brings great information about emotion of the players / singer.
however. i also tested the audio analoge.. which IMHO. its not my cup of tea.. i don't know why. i prefer my own NAD more than the 10X higher price audio analoge.. it's too digital for my ear imho.
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i think if i were to describe it...

my NAD = photo that is blured, but smooth enough for ppl to see the object. but not micro detail. and it's more emphasise on the scene itself.. rather than all detail. u can enjoy the picture of the scene. but it's not that clear.. so some might as well call it as "ART" feeling. nothings to wow about any accuracies, or any superior comes from the picture. to enjoy the picture is just purely from the scene(songs) itself, and perhaps the skill / angle taking by the photographer (tuning of accesories such as cable)

Krell = sort of carl zeiss with superb combination of aparture setting. depth of field.. nice contrast.. nice focus... clear at places that it should be clear., blur at places it shall blur, super accurate tone of colour(accurate white balance) , red means red, blue means blue (which in this case, grate tonality). well.. it's all great for me.. while in this other hand. i feel that audio research were sort of leica.. also all great for me. and i like leica more than zeiss though =P

Audio analoge = Photoshop created computer CG. which super detail from the front to the end. which imho.. fake to my ear though. pls note my words that the setup is what i tested at perfect hifi, with my own sfcd, and the cable patched by alvin on the setup. i not sure why it's like that. but i just don't like it. i might needs another listen to clearly appriciate it's benefits.
hopes it give a greater ideal.

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Great analogy.

I have listened to Audio Analogue Primo (50W @ 8ohm) pairing with SFCD with its original stand at Perfect Hifi before, i don't like the sound produced when Fourplay music was played, all the instruments are mixed together, not well defined, worse than my current int amp - Cambridge Audio 540A.

Actually, i am quite satisfying with my current amp, except when play classical music, i feel there are some hiding music instruments which need a high power amp like Krell probably. If Audio Analogue Puccini Settanta (70W @ 8 ohm) only give slight improvement from its litte brother, i will look for Krell then. As always, audition before making conclusion.

Cheers.
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post Aug 6 2008, 06:04 AM

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QUOTE(wkfoong @ Aug 5 2008, 10:07 PM)
If you can audition it in your listening environment, you might as well buy it. This week, 2 more people bought SF Grand Piano Domus to use with their Krell KAV-400xi amps.  tongue.gif
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You mean they allowed to bring Krell KAV 400xi home for audition? Looking forward to listen to this amp with my speaker, if everything goes smoothly i would upgrade by end of next month.
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post Aug 7 2008, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(Y.C. @ Aug 7 2008, 06:52 PM)

BTW, IMO you'd need to identfy yourself and state your interests in a public forum like LYN here.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Hmm... hmm.gif ...... (think deeply) i know what you mean .... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 9 2008, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(auronthas @ Aug 6 2008, 06:04 AM)
You mean they allowed to bring Krell KAV 400xi home for audition? Looking forward to listen to this amp with my speaker, if everything goes smoothly i would upgrade by end of next month.
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Today i have a chance to make audition with Ayre AX-7E and Krell KAV 400xi int. amp pair with Canton speaker with Jazz music.

Here's my feedback and review

Ayre - bright, detail, but it's not my taste and finding it stress my ears after long hour listening.

Krell - warm, depth, tonal clarity, i am able to distingush various music instruments, very comfortable listening.

Cheers.
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post Aug 9 2008, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Y.C. @ Aug 7 2008, 06:52 PM)
It's great of you to offer home auditioning of KAV-400Xi amp, else owners of SF Grand Piano Domus would have a tough time transporting their loudspeakers to dealers' showroom.

BTW, IMO you'd need to identfy yourself and state your interests in a public forum like LYN here.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Y.C., SF concertino home for sale in hifi 4 sale blog? Sold?
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post Aug 11 2008, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(wkfoong @ Aug 10 2008, 07:55 AM)


Given a chance, try to listen to the Ayre CX-7e CD player paired with the KAV-400xi with the speaker of the dealer's (or yours) choice in balanced (XLR) mode. It should be an interesting experience.

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Thanks for your recommendation on the combo.
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post Aug 11 2008, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Y.C. @ Aug 10 2008, 01:18 AM)
SimAudio Moon i-3 integrated amp, do checkout my new blog with an unfurnished first article at www.finetone.blogspot.com

Vibrapods available at Tong Lee Co.
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Nice setup and great blog! Waiting for more review and tips from your blog. rclxms.gif

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post Sep 4 2008, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(mugenfoo @ Sep 4 2008, 09:33 PM)
Just vocals alone maybe LS3/5A better.

But overall musicality, SonusFaber better.
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Agree no more, that's why i love Sonus Faber v much smile.gif

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post Sep 15 2008, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(InF.anime @ Sep 15 2008, 08:46 PM)
RM 3.6K, new pair how much?
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Around 5K i think... hmm.gif
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post Sep 20 2008, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(TarePanda @ Sep 20 2008, 09:45 PM)
I wonder Concertino Domus / Home able to experience till this "level" with appropriate amp...

"The room is only 9' x 11' and I am seated about 6' from the speakers. Definitely a "nearfield" listening room. With the Sonus Fabers. the speakers COMPLETELY disappear in this set-up. At night when listening and closing my eyes, the sound is palpable, three dimensional, and, as Sam Tellig puts it, "there is a lot of there, there." - From one of the forumer from headfi.com

However, this guy using higher end Sonus Faber...
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refer my earliest post in this thread or see spoiler, my room rather small, with the right setup and amp, SFCD can produce as what ST described.

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post Sep 25 2008, 08:28 PM

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Just got my new integrated amplifier Krell KAV-400xi to replace Cambridge Audio 540A.

Wow, it make lot of improvement though it's still under run-in period. More musical, lively with depth, natural, enjoy the music smile.gif

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post Sep 25 2008, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(Y.C. @ Sep 25 2008, 08:42 PM)
I am referring to amplifiers with good resolving ability, meaning sound stay unconfused as music passages turn more complex and in the case of Classical music especially Symphonies, we are able to follow each different instrument more easily rather than hearing a chunk of undistinguishable sound.

Different amplifiers do have different resolving ability; you will need to hear them yourself to appreciate this which could not be taught in a forum like this. Happy Listening, mate  smile.gif


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Thanks for your nice word.

Your above quote is very true and can't agree more. Previously, when i listened to classical music, some music instruments are not well defined, it makes the music sound messy and annoying after long listening. Now, i can hear a much clearer defined or distinguishable sound, though still not perfect, but hope the run-in period will improve overtime.

Well, enjoy music and move on...

Cheers

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post Sep 26 2008, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Sep 25 2008, 09:50 PM)
Bro auronthas,

Another dream fulfilled..  thumbup.gif
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Thanks, i would enjoy music and listen back to all my collection smile.gif


Added on September 26, 2008, 11:01 am
QUOTE(mugenfoo @ Sep 26 2008, 12:55 AM)
Welcome to the Krell club!
Haha, Is there really a club? Vote mugenfoo for Krell Club president, a new thread "Krell Club Member" can be created?

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post Sep 26 2008, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(grandspy @ Sep 26 2008, 11:01 AM)
Hey auronthas, Congratulations!!! Did you get a special price for that?
Your SF must be singing now  biggrin.gif
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No, the price is close to 10K. Thanks, I hope the sound will improve overtime, will enjoy music over weekend and coming long holidays. smile.gif
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post Sep 26 2008, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(TarePanda @ Sep 26 2008, 05:59 PM)
Is it because that Krell able to pump at least 200w to your speaker compare to your your less than 100w amp?

I wonder other brand 200w able to produce same quality...(I know sound signiture may difference)
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The maximum output power is 200W (8 ohm) or 400W (4ohm). The output impedance is 0.17 ohm, due to its low output impedance, the output current is higher which can easily drive the speaker. Franky speaking, a 100W with low output impedance should able to drive my speaker, the investment on Krell is part of my plan for future expansion.

As Mugenfoo highighted in previous post or thread, he had given a very detail explanation on output impedance of amplifier and formula, please read and check.

Besides the formula, the most important is audition, there are too many factors affect the sound system including your music taste.

Audition different amplifiers, choose the one that match your speakers, music taste.



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post Sep 29 2008, 06:56 AM

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QUOTE(Y.C. @ Sep 28 2008, 05:15 PM)
Bottomline, trust your very own ears and feeling as it is you who are going to live with the amplifier and not me or any other person. There is no such thing as the ultimate system or equipment to own but all these are merely equipment for us to Enjoy the Musiccool.gif
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One more important aspect, make sure that the audio equipment (amp, cd player, speaker) which you are going to audition have been burned in. If you know the audio shop owner well, ask him by mutual trust if he allows to bring the burned in audio equipment to your home for audition as this will really test out your own audio setup and room environment.
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post Oct 2 2008, 09:15 PM

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Though my Concertino Domus lowest frequency is at 50Hz, higher compared to Electa Amator 42Hz, Concerto Home 40Hz, IMO, i find it delivers a better bass, the music track that i tried is Enya - Less than a Pearl from her Amarantine album. I really enjoy the music.
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post Oct 3 2008, 05:25 AM

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QUOTE(mugenfoo @ Oct 3 2008, 02:47 AM)
the thing is , Enya's music actually has alot of sub-sonic notes, and only the deepest systems that are capable to go down to 20Hz would fully reveal the whole spectrum of Enya music.

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I learn something new today on sub-sonic notes. thanks.

Manage to find frequency range of music instruments and voices as attached.


Added on October 3, 2008, 8:56 am

I encounter a special experience and would like to share.

I could hardly hear any conversation with my family members before upgrading my amplifier, now, i can listen to their conversation clearly even with the classical music played at the same sound level. It may be due to the soundstage is better defined and crystal clear now.

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post Oct 3 2008, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(mugenfoo @ Oct 3 2008, 09:06 AM)
seems like with the Krell 400xi, now the front-end source devices could use some upgrade tongue.gif

If you can get a CD player or DAC that can output balanced signals (XLR connectors)  to the Krell, its a whole new level of experience again.  Krell has always emphasised and preferred balanced connections over single-ended (RCA) connections.
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Noted on your advice and 'poison'. tongue.gif

As mentioned earlier in my post and other thread, i have a thought of adding a Benchmark DAC (with XLR output) before purchasing SFCD and amplifier.

Anyway, I find CA 540C works well as well as SB3 with their decent in-buit DAC. I would not upgrade so quickly on my source, let's enjoy my music collection all over again. whistling.gif

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