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post May 15 2008, 10:59 AM, updated 18y ago

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I can't remember if I've opened a similar topic before but here goes anyway. Now before everyone names popular choices like Ronaldo, Torres or whoever, keep in mind that to be a cult hero, you aren't the best player. Best players have a huge commercial following while cult heroes are those who aren't the most talented but have endeared themselves to the fans nonetheless. 'Cult' is often the opposite of 'Mainstream'. Oh well, give it a go.

My first pick would be 'Mad' Erik Meijer. Here is why they called him "mad" and why he endeared himself to Liverpool fans such as me despite being a striker and scoring only 2 goals!

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post May 15 2008, 11:18 AM

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Gerry Byrne

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Signed in 1955 as an amateur, Byrne went on to make his debut for Liverpool in a 5-1 defeat to Charlton Athletic in the old Division 2.

To say “things got better for him”, would be an ironic statement, as the full-backs cult-hero status came amid excruciating pain in the 1965 FA Cup final against Leeds at Wembley.

Three minutes into the game, Leeds United skipper Bobby Collins caught Byrne with a full-blooded challenge. Byrne not only went onto play the rest of the match with a broken collar bone, but also put in a magnificent display, assisting Roger Hunt for Liverpool’s first of the game with a superb cross.

Bill Shankly, when speaking of Byrne’s courageous display, said "Gerry's collar bone was split and grinding together yet he played on in agony", said Shankly. "It was a performance of raw courage from the boy".

After the game, the Football Association decided to allow teams a substitution in competitive matches. Bert Trautmann, Ray Wood, Roy Dwight and Dave Whelan would argue that there decision was a little overdue.

The versatile full-back was a part of the Shankly side which was promoted from Division 2 to Division 1 and Byrne also picked up 3 Charity Shields (two shared) and, of course, an FA Cup. Nobody could argue he didn’t deserve the latter.




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post May 15 2008, 11:25 AM

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One of my favourites has to be EEEEEGGGGOOORRRRRRRR Biscan. Never once complained despite playing out of position and getting loads of stick from fans. Finally blossomed when played in central mid but too late unfortunately to save his Liverpool career. Absolutely loved him to bits.

Still remember him looking absolutely perplexed after side footing the ball into the net against Fulham from 20 yards out.
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How I miss moronically chanting "EEEEEGOR" from my seat in the Kop, whilst Biscan paid tribute to Johan Cruyyf trying all kinds of tricks and turns, working desperately hard for the adulation of the fans. If we were lucky - and Biscan started - we would get a wave, acknowledging our pre-match appreciation, whilst usually fondling his man-hood with his other hand.

What was it that made Biscan such a hero, on the Kop; was it is dopey expression, his Stan Laurel hair-cut, his silky-skills in an otherwise limited game-play; was it the images of his 'tackle', in a different sense of the word, against Everton or his strip-tease in the dressing room after the Champions League win?

Memories of being sent off in the Merseyside Derby in 2001 were erased two years later when he made the most remarkable last-ditch tackle of Everton's Tomas Radzinski, when playing 'out of position' (or was he? Even Biscan himself failed to make his mind up on whether he was a center half of a central midfielder). It was a challenge Bobby Moore, Franz Beckenbauer, Paulo Maldini et al would have been bloody proud of.

Remarkably, this eejit from Croatia, signed for, well, too much money, started to show his worth last season. Particularly in our Champions League run. Fans eyes which were rolling at the thought of him gracing Europe's finest stage were popping out of their sockets as he strolled past challenges and made mazy attacking runs into the box, one of which aided towards the winning goal against Deportivo in the group stages.

His Anfield career had been revived. The man who bore uncanny resemblence to Beaker from the Muppets, was showing that he was a rather good footballer after all. In the game against Fulham at Craven Cottage, Igor arrived on to the field to see the game out, as Liverpool were against the ropes with only 10 men. As he ran on from the touchline, looking as though he wished Benitez hadn't woken him up, he and Stephen Warnock played a couple of one-two's and Biscan unleashed an unbelievable strike into the top right hand corner of the goal. He turned away as players jumped on his back. It looked as though he needed confirmation that this wasn't one of his many day-dreams.

Other highlights came against Bayer Leverkusen when, on another tremendous burst from midfield, he slipped through Luis Garcia who slotted the ball into the back of the net. And finally, against Bolton, in a must-win game, Biscan grabbed a late winner, heading a killer ball from Djimi Traore straight into the ground and in past Jaaskelainen.

He left for Panathanaikos and the look on his face at the press-conference was the same as always.

However, Igor will never be adored as much anywhere else as he was by the Kop.






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post May 15 2008, 11:29 AM

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Joey Jones. Anyone remember seeing this banner?

"Joey Ate The Frogs Legs, Made The Swiss Roll, Now He's Munching Gladbach"

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Joey Jones was signed by Bob Paisley in July 1975 for just over £110, 000 from Wrexham.

One thing which is rather disappointing about fans' memories of Joey Jones is what he was like as a footballer. Everybody remembers him as the definition of a cult-hero. His connection with the fans was legendary and he constantly gave 100%, entering challenges Roy Keane would never dream of. Few, unfortunately, forget to recall that he was a very stylish full-back - very comfortable in possession and capable of whipping in decent crosses.

After all he achieved in the game; he is just as proud to show-off the infamous banner as he is his medals, not to forget his Liverpool tattoo.

His hard-work, grit and determination is what will always be remembered, though. He gave his absolute all in every performance. The fans connected with him; they felt that if they had the honour to play for their beloved club, they would give as much effort as he does, and he shared the affection. He may not be the greatest player to ever walk on the Anfield turf, but he is a shining example of to a lot of people, as he is up there with the best of them, in my book.

His position as an Anfield legend was helped by a fantastically original banner unfurled in the 1977 European Cup final against AS Roma; "Joey Ate The Frogs Legs, Made The Swiss Roll, Now He's Munching Gladbach". A banner as priceless as every trophy in Liverpool's museum, Joey Jones represented what Liverpool were all about. He was never going to make the back-pages, but everyone who ever saw him play will always remember him.


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post May 15 2008, 11:41 AM

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Okay we got off to a start. Now let's move on to explaining why they were or are cult heroes. Don't want this thread to be full of names with other posters not knowing why they were listed down. Cheers.
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QUOTE(corez @ May 15 2008, 11:50 AM)
Diego Forlan.

Took him like 20+ games to score. His first goals is a penalty and everybody just cheered. Everybody on and off the field likes him.

Confirmed to be a cult heroes when he scored 2 goals at Anfield.

Edited. I guess he wasnt suitable to play in England or with Man Utd because he just keeps scoring in Spain. He did mentioned that he would like a second crack at playing with United again.
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He was also probably the inspiration behind the "no taking off jersey" rule after it took him an eternity to put his kit back on lol. Nah I know, it's because the FA are afraid of what messages players have under their kits.
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QUOTE(MyDevil @ May 15 2008, 12:02 PM)
SAF sent a thank you note to him when he joined Newcastle. That shows Smith good character on and off the pitch.  thumbup.gif
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He works his socks off I'd agree but he wasn't an angel on the pitch at least.

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Smith has had disciplinary problems throughout his career, and has committed numerous fouls. In total he has been sent off 7 times in the Premier League and has committed 423 fouls in the competition since 2002/03. Smith is therefore the second most prolific fouler in the league behind Kevin Davies (since records of such offences began).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Smith
That being said, there is no denying he has heart.

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QUOTE(m o m o @ May 15 2008, 12:19 PM)
I think the Wimbledon Crazy Gang epitomizes cult-ness in the 80s and early 90s... right crazy characters throughout... from the chairman Sam Hammam to the playing staff like Vinnie Jones, Dave Beasant, Dennis Wise... A right laugh really, except when they beat us in 1988.
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The were a loony bunch indeed. The current team (MK Dons) is a far cry from the Wimbledon of old. Their most talented player to me back then was probably John Fashanu which says a lot about their lack of talent really. What they had though was a desire to win even if it meant winning ugly. Crazy lot. I've heard stories of players crapping in the others gym bag and stuff.
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Another of my favourites, Titi Camara. He ran his socks off all the time.

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Aboubacar Sidiki Camara, more commonly known as Titi Camara (born November 17, 1972 in Conakry), is a Guinean football player who, as of 2005, is playing for Amiens SC.

Camara was once a highly-touted prospect, spending time with Lens (1996–98), Olympique Marseille (1998–99), Liverpool (1999–2000), and West Ham United (2000–03). He signed for the latter team on December 21, 2000, for £1.5 million. A member of the Guinean national team, he played for his country at the 2004 African Nations Cup.

In December 2005 he was linked with the vacant manager's job with his national side, Guinea.

Titi Camara is famous for playing at Anfield against West Ham the morning after the death of his father, scoring the winning goal and then dropping to his knees in front of the Anfield Road stand with tears flowing. Despite his short spell at Liverpool he was seen as a cult figure amongst the supporters and was voted in at a more than respectable 91st position in the 2006 poll 100 Players Who Shook The Kop which was conducted by the official Liverpool Football Club web site. 110,000 Reds supporters worldwide voted for their favourite 10 players of all time. Camara's 91st spot made him the 2nd highest placed African player on the list behind Bruce Grobbelaar, an honour in itself. Ironically, West Ham fans regard Camara as one of the worst players ever to play for the club.





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QUOTE(<Kenji> @ May 15 2008, 02:44 PM)
Claude Makelele

scored onli 1 goal after so many years under Chelsea
n that was even a penalty which i think Jose insisted him to take (which he then missed!) but pounced on the rebound to score...
even Mourinho was happy enuff to celebrate with him...
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To be fair he is a defensive midfielder, not expected to get a barrow load of goals. Came with a big reputation having been the mainstay in midfield for Real. Still find it funny that Gravesan was supposed to be his "replacement". I don't know if he qualifies as a cult hero. No heard many Chelsea fans talk about him, here or in London.
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QUOTE(e30 @ May 15 2008, 04:56 PM)
duke, i still remember biscan's side footed goal against fulham too. what a goal it was.

my cult hero is Didi Hamman.
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QUOTE(Jason_T @ May 15 2008, 07:07 PM)
Though Biscan can be considered as cult hero, i think Neil Mellor is a better candidate for cult hero.His volley stil fresh in my mind and thats strike won us the game... rclxms.gif
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Nah Mellor in my opinion is nowhere near cult hero status. You don't get that honour my scoring just one goal. If you look at the Meijer and Camara examples, you'll see why both of them endeared themselves to the fans. I was sad to see them go. Can't say I feel the same about Mellor.
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Don't be confused between "cult players" and "underrated players". Cult players have a loyal following of their own even though they may be crap players. Underrated players are those that don't get the recognition they deserve, but cult players do sometimes for reasons other than their footballing abilities. I think Blinky understands the concept judging from his picks.

I remember watching Alexi Lalas for the first time during the 1994 World Cup. He stood out instantly. It's not often you see a red curly haired hippy with a red goatee to boot, marshaling your defence. The only other defender that made a similar impact to me was Hollands John De Wolf who played for Wolverhampton Wanderers.

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Nicknamed "Big John", "Rambo", and "De Wolf Man", De Wolf has played for Sparta Rotterdam, FC Groningen, Feyenoord, Wolverhampton Wanderers, VVV Venlo, Hapoel Ashkelon and Helmond Sport.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Wolf


He wasn't someone you would have wanted to come up against I tell ya.





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QUOTE(ik3da @ May 18 2008, 11:56 PM)
Just wondering, does Cantona (in case that some people have no idea, Eric Cantona) fits into this list of cult heroes?
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Nah as momo pointed out, he has many admirers who would readily admit he was a really talented footballer. Look at some of the examples i.e. Biscan, Meijer, De Wolfe, Lalas, Higuita, etc. They weren't necessarily the most talented but yet, they had a cult following. The were popular for other reasons i.e. flashy, eccentric, hard working, passionate, etc.
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QUOTE(z3171600 @ May 20 2008, 10:54 AM)
Not sure about this since I have only becoming MU fan a couple of years. But I think Gabriel Heinze have the status of cult heroes as well, does he? If my memory serves me right, he was quite popular amongst the fan when he arrived.
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Yes he was popular however you do know what sort of reaction he got when he wanted a move to Liverpool? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Hevrn @ May 21 2008, 07:46 PM)
It's him wanting a move to Liverpool of all clubs that made him a Judas of sorts among the United faithful. As a player who've spent years in Manchester he should know pretty damn well that they're our main rivals. Killed his reputation as a former favorite.
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I'm trying to look at it from his perspective. We would like to think that players that put on our club colours would love the club as much as we do. We would like to believe their loyalty cannot be broke but in the end, aren't most of them just like regular everyday employees? I myself have changed companies four times and I'm sure many others share the same experience. If I'm not happy at my job or keep getting passed over for promotion, I might resign and leave. Heinze wasn't a regular and at his age he wanted to play every week. He wants to win trophies just like how we would like to win awards from our company, be it the "best employee" of the month award of whatever. Would you as an employee not move to a rival company if they offered you a better package? Would you now want your employer to give you a counteroffer?

Again, I'm trying to look at it from the perspective of a regular employee. We cannot assume they all love the club. Some are in it for the paycheck.
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QUOTE(m o m o @ May 23 2008, 09:09 PM)
It could be for money, no doubt.

But maybe Heinze really wanted to work with Rafa? Take the same perspective again, some people do change companies because they really want to learn more and learn from the best... it's not always about remuneration...

Anyway, off topic d...

Back to the topic...

I am thinking Shaun Goater at Man City... decent record, stayed loyal, crowd favourite... and a funny name too... smile.gif

Steve Bull at Wolves... again, same thing as Goater, AND funny name as well! LOL
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Good call on "The Goat".

If there is one thing I admire about Steve Bull, it was his loyalty to his club. Not everyday you get selected to the national side while playing in the 1st Division. Even after the World Cup in 1990, he chose to stay with Wolves to help them fight for promotion instead of moving on to a bigger club. Respect that.
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QUOTE(clsiluf @ May 26 2008, 12:03 PM)
means the fans that nick ashley cole as cashley cole are stupid ? nothing wrong with cole move to chelsea because of $$$ ?
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You do know what "a matter of perspective" means right? Fans react purely on emotion without giving a thought to the economic impact moving between clubs has on a player. Which fan would not be pissed off if one of their players moves to a rival club? It's purely hypothetical at this point but would you not move to a rival company if they offered to double your salary? You'd at least give it some thought especially when you aren't in love with your current company, no?
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jun 2 2008, 01:49 PM)
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Now a real cult hero: Jim Leighton who followed Fergie club to club.
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I personally thought Jim Leighton to be a decent keeper. He as at the time the Scottish no.1 at the 1990 World Cup as well, to be succeeded later by Bryan Gunn. Speaking of United keepers being cult heroes, I'd have to nominate Les Sealey. Unless I'm mistaken you signed him from Luton Town and he wasn't a popular choice back them but put in some decent performances when Leighton's form began to wane. He has since passed away god rest his soul.

 

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