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post May 15 2008, 10:59 AM, updated 18y ago

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I can't remember if I've opened a similar topic before but here goes anyway. Now before everyone names popular choices like Ronaldo, Torres or whoever, keep in mind that to be a cult hero, you aren't the best player. Best players have a huge commercial following while cult heroes are those who aren't the most talented but have endeared themselves to the fans nonetheless. 'Cult' is often the opposite of 'Mainstream'. Oh well, give it a go.

My first pick would be 'Mad' Erik Meijer. Here is why they called him "mad" and why he endeared himself to Liverpool fans such as me despite being a striker and scoring only 2 goals!

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Jay Jay Okocha?

Robbie Savage?

Roberto Carlos?

Fabien Barthez?
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post May 15 2008, 11:18 AM

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Gerry Byrne

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Signed in 1955 as an amateur, Byrne went on to make his debut for Liverpool in a 5-1 defeat to Charlton Athletic in the old Division 2.

To say “things got better for him”, would be an ironic statement, as the full-backs cult-hero status came amid excruciating pain in the 1965 FA Cup final against Leeds at Wembley.

Three minutes into the game, Leeds United skipper Bobby Collins caught Byrne with a full-blooded challenge. Byrne not only went onto play the rest of the match with a broken collar bone, but also put in a magnificent display, assisting Roger Hunt for Liverpool’s first of the game with a superb cross.

Bill Shankly, when speaking of Byrne’s courageous display, said "Gerry's collar bone was split and grinding together yet he played on in agony", said Shankly. "It was a performance of raw courage from the boy".

After the game, the Football Association decided to allow teams a substitution in competitive matches. Bert Trautmann, Ray Wood, Roy Dwight and Dave Whelan would argue that there decision was a little overdue.

The versatile full-back was a part of the Shankly side which was promoted from Division 2 to Division 1 and Byrne also picked up 3 Charity Shields (two shared) and, of course, an FA Cup. Nobody could argue he didn’t deserve the latter.




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post May 15 2008, 11:25 AM

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One of my favourites has to be EEEEEGGGGOOORRRRRRRR Biscan. Never once complained despite playing out of position and getting loads of stick from fans. Finally blossomed when played in central mid but too late unfortunately to save his Liverpool career. Absolutely loved him to bits.

Still remember him looking absolutely perplexed after side footing the ball into the net against Fulham from 20 yards out.
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How I miss moronically chanting "EEEEEGOR" from my seat in the Kop, whilst Biscan paid tribute to Johan Cruyyf trying all kinds of tricks and turns, working desperately hard for the adulation of the fans. If we were lucky - and Biscan started - we would get a wave, acknowledging our pre-match appreciation, whilst usually fondling his man-hood with his other hand.

What was it that made Biscan such a hero, on the Kop; was it is dopey expression, his Stan Laurel hair-cut, his silky-skills in an otherwise limited game-play; was it the images of his 'tackle', in a different sense of the word, against Everton or his strip-tease in the dressing room after the Champions League win?

Memories of being sent off in the Merseyside Derby in 2001 were erased two years later when he made the most remarkable last-ditch tackle of Everton's Tomas Radzinski, when playing 'out of position' (or was he? Even Biscan himself failed to make his mind up on whether he was a center half of a central midfielder). It was a challenge Bobby Moore, Franz Beckenbauer, Paulo Maldini et al would have been bloody proud of.

Remarkably, this eejit from Croatia, signed for, well, too much money, started to show his worth last season. Particularly in our Champions League run. Fans eyes which were rolling at the thought of him gracing Europe's finest stage were popping out of their sockets as he strolled past challenges and made mazy attacking runs into the box, one of which aided towards the winning goal against Deportivo in the group stages.

His Anfield career had been revived. The man who bore uncanny resemblence to Beaker from the Muppets, was showing that he was a rather good footballer after all. In the game against Fulham at Craven Cottage, Igor arrived on to the field to see the game out, as Liverpool were against the ropes with only 10 men. As he ran on from the touchline, looking as though he wished Benitez hadn't woken him up, he and Stephen Warnock played a couple of one-two's and Biscan unleashed an unbelievable strike into the top right hand corner of the goal. He turned away as players jumped on his back. It looked as though he needed confirmation that this wasn't one of his many day-dreams.

Other highlights came against Bayer Leverkusen when, on another tremendous burst from midfield, he slipped through Luis Garcia who slotted the ball into the back of the net. And finally, against Bolton, in a must-win game, Biscan grabbed a late winner, heading a killer ball from Djimi Traore straight into the ground and in past Jaaskelainen.

He left for Panathanaikos and the look on his face at the press-conference was the same as always.

However, Igor will never be adored as much anywhere else as he was by the Kop.






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Juanito

He wasn't the most talented player but he had a never say die spirit that endeared him to the Bernabeu faithful. Sadly he was killed in a car accident but he is still remembered by the fans. The next time you're watching a Real Madrid match played at the Bernabeu, if you listen closely at the 7th min (since he wore the No 7 shirt) the fans will chant "Illa Illa Illa Juanito Maravilla" to honor his memory.
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Joey Jones. Anyone remember seeing this banner?

"Joey Ate The Frogs Legs, Made The Swiss Roll, Now He's Munching Gladbach"

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Joey Jones was signed by Bob Paisley in July 1975 for just over £110, 000 from Wrexham.

One thing which is rather disappointing about fans' memories of Joey Jones is what he was like as a footballer. Everybody remembers him as the definition of a cult-hero. His connection with the fans was legendary and he constantly gave 100%, entering challenges Roy Keane would never dream of. Few, unfortunately, forget to recall that he was a very stylish full-back - very comfortable in possession and capable of whipping in decent crosses.

After all he achieved in the game; he is just as proud to show-off the infamous banner as he is his medals, not to forget his Liverpool tattoo.

His hard-work, grit and determination is what will always be remembered, though. He gave his absolute all in every performance. The fans connected with him; they felt that if they had the honour to play for their beloved club, they would give as much effort as he does, and he shared the affection. He may not be the greatest player to ever walk on the Anfield turf, but he is a shining example of to a lot of people, as he is up there with the best of them, in my book.

His position as an Anfield legend was helped by a fantastically original banner unfurled in the 1977 European Cup final against AS Roma; "Joey Ate The Frogs Legs, Made The Swiss Roll, Now He's Munching Gladbach". A banner as priceless as every trophy in Liverpool's museum, Joey Jones represented what Liverpool were all about. He was never going to make the back-pages, but everyone who ever saw him play will always remember him.


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Okay we got off to a start. Now let's move on to explaining why they were or are cult heroes. Don't want this thread to be full of names with other posters not knowing why they were listed down. Cheers.
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Ray Parlour. True Arsenal legend.

Never the most talented player around, but when he's on the pitch he's all over it. Loses the ball more often than he keeps possession, but he always gets it back by sticking a leg in or throwing in a tackle.

Never complained, never whined, never b*tched around with other clubs. Just stuck his head in and played football.

And who could forget the hattrick against Werder Bremen in the UEFA Cup? Or the super curler vs Chelsea in the FA Cup final?

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Diego Forlan.

Took him like 20+ games to score. His first goals is a penalty and everybody just cheered. Everybody on and off the field likes him.

Confirmed to be a cult heroes when he scored 2 goals at Anfield.

Edited. I guess he wasnt suitable to play in England or with Man Utd because he just keeps scoring in Spain. He did mentioned that he would like a second crack at playing with United again.

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Neil Mellor..started 12 games and scored 2 goals..
the most remarkable goal of his will be the 30yards volley against Arsenal on 28 december2004 that sent everyone captured...No one expected him to score..No one!!!

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QUOTE(corez @ May 15 2008, 11:50 AM)
Diego Forlan.

Took him like 20+ games to score. His first goals is a penalty and everybody just cheered. Everybody on and off the field likes him.

Confirmed to be a cult heroes when he scored 2 goals at Anfield.

Edited. I guess he wasnt suitable to play in England or with Man Utd because he just keeps scoring in Spain. He did mentioned that he would like a second crack at playing with United again.
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and he suddenly comes alive in spain cuz their league suit his playing style. athletico paid 21 million euro for his service.
but eric cantona is my all time cult hero for mu even though i was into mu after watching gary pallister.cool2.gif
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QUOTE(corez @ May 15 2008, 11:50 AM)
Diego Forlan.

Took him like 20+ games to score. His first goals is a penalty and everybody just cheered. Everybody on and off the field likes him.

Confirmed to be a cult heroes when he scored 2 goals at Anfield.

Edited. I guess he wasnt suitable to play in England or with Man Utd because he just keeps scoring in Spain. He did mentioned that he would like a second crack at playing with United again.
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Was thinking about Forlan initially but later think, it should be Alan Smith smile.gif

Played out of position in midfield. Wasn't the skillfull lot but his determination to win every balls is top class. Never complained when not playing unlike Forlan who did show his furstration for lack of playing times.

SAF sent a thank you note to him when he joined Newcastle. That shows Smith good character on and off the pitch. thumbup.gif
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Ian Holloway... even had his own word 'coined'; Ollyism... Played from the 80s - 90s, Holloway started his managerial career at Bristol Rovers in 1996 but were more notable at QPR and Plymouth Argyle, not so much for his tactical acumen, but rather, for his quirky quotes... Three out of four of his offsprings are born deaf due to a genetical defect in him and his wife...


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QUOTE(corez @ May 15 2008, 11:50 AM)
Diego Forlan.

Took him like 20+ games to score. His first goals is a penalty and everybody just cheered. Everybody on and off the field likes him.

Confirmed to be a cult heroes when he scored 2 goals at Anfield.

Edited. I guess he wasnt suitable to play in England or with Man Utd because he just keeps scoring in Spain. He did mentioned that he would like a second crack at playing with United again.
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He was also probably the inspiration behind the "no taking off jersey" rule after it took him an eternity to put his kit back on lol. Nah I know, it's because the FA are afraid of what messages players have under their kits.
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QUOTE(MyDevil @ May 15 2008, 12:02 PM)
Was thinking about Forlan initially but later think, it should be Alan Smith  smile.gif

Played out of position in midfield. Wasn't the skillfull lot but his determination to win every balls is top class. Never complained when not playing unlike Forlan who did show his furstration for lack of playing times.

SAF sent a thank you note to him when he joined Newcastle. That shows Smith good character on and off the pitch. thumbup.gif
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are we talking about the same smith that threw bottles to fans years ago? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(MyDevil @ May 15 2008, 12:02 PM)
SAF sent a thank you note to him when he joined Newcastle. That shows Smith good character on and off the pitch.  thumbup.gif
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He works his socks off I'd agree but he wasn't an angel on the pitch at least.

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Smith has had disciplinary problems throughout his career, and has committed numerous fouls. In total he has been sent off 7 times in the Premier League and has committed 423 fouls in the competition since 2002/03. Smith is therefore the second most prolific fouler in the league behind Kevin Davies (since records of such offences began).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Smith
That being said, there is no denying he has heart.

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QUOTE(Jason_T @ May 15 2008, 12:08 PM)
are we talking about the same smith that threw bottles to fans years ago? shocking.gif
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Not aware of that. When did that happen? hmm.gif

QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 15 2008, 12:09 PM)
He works his socks off I'd agree but he wasn't an angel on the pitch at least.
That being said, there is no denying he has heart.
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He gave everything for his team even if it means to foul the opponents. He got sent off against us at OT this season.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 15 2008, 12:03 PM)
He was also probably the inspiration behind the "no taking off jersey" rule after it took him an eternity to put his kit back on lol. Nah I know, it's because the FA are afraid of what messages players have under their kits.
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Makes you think why they are saying that us 3rd World folks have no freedom of speech ehh?

Anyway, back to the subject at hand...

I was thinking the other day why the League seems to be a little different nowadays... of course, the usual like money, 100% professionalism etc...

What's really missing are the characters in the game... in the 90s we had people like Vinnie Jones and the Crazy Gang, Cantona, Gazza, Fowler, Ginola, Erik Meijer and the likes to lighten things up a little... even the managers got in the act like Egil Olson with his bright and damn right awful yellow boots...

For me, it's just a little too serious nowadays...

I think the Wimbledon Crazy Gang epitomizes cult-ness in the 80s and early 90s... right crazy characters throughout... from the chairman Sam Hammam to the playing staff like Vinnie Jones, Dave Beasant, Dennis Wise... A right laugh really, except when they beat us in 1988.


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QUOTE(m o m o @ May 15 2008, 12:19 PM)
I think the Wimbledon Crazy Gang epitomizes cult-ness in the 80s and early 90s... right crazy characters throughout... from the chairman Sam Hammam to the playing staff like Vinnie Jones, Dave Beasant, Dennis Wise... A right laugh really, except when they beat us in 1988.
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The were a loony bunch indeed. The current team (MK Dons) is a far cry from the Wimbledon of old. Their most talented player to me back then was probably John Fashanu which says a lot about their lack of talent really. What they had though was a desire to win even if it meant winning ugly. Crazy lot. I've heard stories of players crapping in the others gym bag and stuff.

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