dunno posted before in LYN or not..
Asus hardcore fans got any comments?
This post has been edited by Titan_GigAs: May 14 2008, 10:51 PM
Gigabyte: Asus Lied & Fooled Customers
|
|
 May 14 2008, 07:35 PM, updated 18y ago
Show posts by this member only | Post
#1
|
 
Junior Member
318 posts Joined: Oct 2004 From: Pat Ta Ling Ja Yaa..  
|
ToMs Hardware <--- info link
dunno posted before in LYN or not.. Asus hardcore fans got any comments? This post has been edited by Titan_GigAs: May 14 2008, 10:51 PM |
Quote|
|
|
|
|
May 14 2008, 07:40 PM
Show posts by this member only | Post
#2
|
Senior Member
608 posts Joined: Jan 2003  
|
Is it because asus puts up figures that can only be achieved in ideal conditions
|
|
|
May 14 2008, 09:02 PM
Show posts by this member only | Post
#3
|
Senior Member
545 posts Joined: Mar 2006 From: The Weirdo River O_o
|
Wow ~~~ breaking news
|
|
|
May 14 2008, 09:20 PM
Show posts by this member only | Post
#4
|
Senior Member
1,214 posts Joined: Oct 2006 From: Malaysia (Sarawak) 
|
This news will hurt ASUS customers (includes me) the most and ASUS reputation for innovative & so called 'quality' product. CUstomers pay premium price but what did they get?
 This post has been edited by campsol2k: May 14 2008, 09:25 PM |
|
|
May 14 2008, 09:21 PM
Show posts by this member only | Post
#5
|
Senior Member
2,980 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: Mount Chiliad
|
is it only the EPU labeled products or all they products?
|
|
|
May 14 2008, 09:26 PM
Show posts by this member only | Post
#6
|
 
Elite
6,139 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
lets see what asus have to say abt this
|
|
|
|
|
|
May 14 2008, 09:29 PM
Show posts by this member only | Post
#7
|
Senior Member
1,743 posts Joined: Jul 2006 From: Shah Alam
|
are they want to create a new war?
 |
|
|
May 14 2008, 09:33 PM
Show posts by this member only | Post
#8
|
All Stars
12,851 posts Joined: May 2005 From: Puchong, Selangor
|
QUOTE(heizad @ May 14 2008, 09:29 PM) are they want to create a new war? They are competitor. |
|
|
May 14 2008, 09:37 PM
Show posts by this member only | Post
#9
|
Junior Member
145 posts Joined: Apr 2007
|
Asus will lost some supporter this time..
Gigabyte still my favourite |
|
|
May 14 2008, 09:40 PM
|
Senior Member
4,789 posts Joined: Aug 2005 From: Ipoh <---> Kuala Lumpur
|
shocked to see this news..izit a way gigabyte wanna make asus lose out in the market? i may sound a bit pro-asus, but we havent heard asus' side of the story. this is just gigabyte's part.
|
|
|
May 14 2008, 09:40 PM
|
|
Elite
6,139 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
i think asus has come out with 2nd gen EPU... perhaps to improve/update/fix the said problem ?
|
|
|
May 14 2008, 09:40 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,743 posts Joined: Jul 2006 From: Shah Alam
|
QUOTE(WebWalker @ May 14 2008, 09:33 PM) They are competitor. i know but no need to attack each other..each got its marketing strategy rite...  |
|
|
May 14 2008, 09:50 PM
|
Junior Member
165 posts Joined: Jan 2007
|
need to be like tat meh, Gaygabyte? they want to influence ppl to buy their boards?
|
|
|
|
|
|
May 14 2008, 09:57 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,743 posts Joined: Jul 2006 From: Shah Alam
|
QUOTE(myke @ May 14 2008, 09:50 PM) need to be like tat meh, Gaygabyte? they want to influence ppl to buy their boards? then buy dfi..LOL |
|
|
May 14 2008, 10:19 PM
|
Senior Member
684 posts Joined: Feb 2006 From: Seremban, On Gixxer
|
QUOTE(heizad @ May 14 2008, 09:57 PM) then buy dfi..LOL MSI fan 'tumpang lalu'  yup for me DFI is the best. they did 'research' 1st before release their product. eh i thought ASUS mobo is great? bought my ASUS P5K/EPU before working great. |
|
|
May 14 2008, 10:19 PM
|
Senior Member
1,157 posts Joined: Sep 2007 From: Kuantan
|
ASUS
 like that kah....but gigabyte my first impression and experiance so so bad one....that why i'm taking foxconn mars |
|
|
May 14 2008, 10:23 PM
|
Senior Member
2,603 posts Joined: Sep 2006
|
QUOTE(heizad @ May 14 2008, 09:40 PM) i know but no need to attack each other..each got its marketing strategy rite... attacking each other is another "marketing strategy"just not practical in M'sia, that's all  QUOTE(myke @ May 14 2008, 09:50 PM) need to be like tat meh, Gaygabyte? they want to influence ppl to buy their boards? aren't they all  |
|
|
May 14 2008, 10:36 PM
|
Junior Member
211 posts Joined: Mar 2007
|
Omg asus is cheating!!!
|
|
|
May 14 2008, 10:49 PM
|
|
Junior Member
318 posts Joined: Oct 2004 From: Pat Ta Ling Ja Yaa..
|
where is this LYN dude ---->
 when Asus fans need him?  need a hardcore Asus fan to give comments  |
|
|
May 14 2008, 10:50 PM
|
Junior Member
431 posts Joined: Apr 2008
|
QUOTE(calvinyou89 @ May 14 2008, 10:36 PM) Omg asus is cheating!!! i've told your mom that you bought asus products.. |
|
|
May 14 2008, 10:50 PM
|
Senior Member
1,070 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Ipoh
|
that is acecombat avatar
|
|
|
May 14 2008, 10:52 PM
|
Junior Member
307 posts Joined: Dec 2007 From: Land Of The UnDead!!!!
|
I dont fall for that..........its not like creative case .....its just marketing strategy.........
IMHO......me..i prefer Asus mobo......but any other ASUS product is overprice and overhype.........im not that fanboy of asus....... |
|
|
May 14 2008, 11:07 PM
|
Senior Member
2,619 posts Joined: Apr 2005 From: KL
|
i want to see what is ASUS response to gigabyte claim.
As for me, im sticking with Abit= look for their mainboard review, mostly positive ! |
|
|
May 14 2008, 11:10 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,157 posts Joined: Sep 2007 From: Kuantan
|
QUOTE(Titan_GigAs @ May 14 2008, 10:49 PM) where is this LYN dude ----> waiting from her reply oso.... when Asus fans need him? need a hardcore Asus fan to give comments |
|
|
May 14 2008, 11:11 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,743 posts Joined: Jul 2006 From: Shah Alam
|
QUOTE(carpathia @ May 14 2008, 11:07 PM) i want to see what is ASUS response to gigabyte claim. agreed... As for me, im sticking with Abit= look for their mainboard review, mostly positive !  dun forget dfi |
|
|
May 14 2008, 11:32 PM
|
Senior Member
1,269 posts Joined: Apr 2007 From: Shah Alam
|
OMG....
 PRICE is VERY HIGH and THIS is WAT we GOT???  i wonder if other mobo is affected or all...  |
|
|
May 14 2008, 11:37 PM
|
Junior Member
577 posts Joined: Feb 2006
|
my BIOSTAR still running well~~~
love my BIOSTAR~~~ hohhoho |
|
|
May 14 2008, 11:41 PM
|
|
Senior Member
7,863 posts Joined: May 2007 From: highbury
|
QUOTE(noos @ May 14 2008, 11:37 PM) my BIOSTAR still running well~~~ biostar supporter here love my BIOSTAR~~~ hohhoho  |
|
|
May 15 2008, 12:01 AM
|
Junior Member
358 posts Joined: Nov 2005 From: Bandar Sri Damansara
|
Asus mobo is well known expensive, but how can they cheat their users like that? would like to see what's their response to this..
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 12:02 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,743 posts Joined: Jul 2006 From: Shah Alam
|
i think they currently collecting info on gaygaybyte to counter them back...
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 12:07 AM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
QUOTE(Downcast @ May 15 2008, 01:01 AM) Asus mobo is well known expensive, but how can they cheat their users like that? would like to see what's their response to this.. i think cause dey wanna cut cost.........after all, their manufacture cost is very high........... man, if dis is true, i'll nvr use asus product again.......... |
|
|
May 15 2008, 12:07 AM
|
|
Senior Member
4,789 posts Joined: Aug 2005 From: Ipoh <---> Kuala Lumpur
|
well i think they should counter back, cant just let gigabyte steal their customers just like that. this war's gonna get more interesting!
This post has been edited by dlwl: May 15 2008, 12:08 AM |
|
|
May 15 2008, 12:08 AM
|
Senior Member
1,633 posts Joined: Oct 2007 From: Cheras, Selangor
|
QUOTE(heizad @ May 15 2008, 12:02 AM) i think they currently collecting info on gaygaybyte to counter them back... This time they shouldnt attack Gigabyte, instead they have to defend themself first and regain back customer's trust. |
|
|
May 15 2008, 12:09 AM
|
Senior Member
820 posts Joined: Jul 2007
|
if WTB mid/low end product
better buy gigabyte if WTB high-end one can get asus my experience, asus cheap hardware is not durable |
|
|
May 15 2008, 12:14 AM
|
Senior Member
3,304 posts Joined: Mar 2006 From: Chicago(Port25)
|
oh noes... this is bad... my asus served me well used as test bed for several hardwares before...
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 12:15 AM
|
 
Staff
1,368 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: A' Ghà idhealtachd
|
This news isnt widely circulated so only ppl who surf sites like toms hardware,tg forums and such will only know.
gigabyte should really find the manufacturers of those caps or to do a real time testing on Asus boards to see whether those caps used are from reputable brand.Else if they put pictures,there'll be no point as everyone can fake it. |
|
|
May 15 2008, 12:33 AM
|
Senior Member
2,113 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Cheras
|
the statement really hurt those asus customer include me because i just bought asus motherboard. i hope asus will clarify this as soon as possible.
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 12:37 AM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
QUOTE(merzchan @ May 15 2008, 01:33 AM) the statement really hurt those asus customer include me because i just bought asus motherboard. i hope asus will clarify this as soon as possible. i think i know, i've nvr hav a burst capacitor wen i OC using asus mobo...............bt i do notice dat asus mobo is bit unstable wen i stress test it............ |
|
|
May 15 2008, 12:52 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,070 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Ipoh
|
say TAKNAK to asus..
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 12:56 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,980 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: Mount Chiliad
|
ASUS da SUSAh.
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 12:58 AM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
QUOTE(gamers maniac @ May 15 2008, 01:52 AM) say TAKNAK to asus.. no wonder asus is 1 of the most hated comapany......... |
|
|
May 15 2008, 01:05 AM
|
Junior Member
254 posts Joined: Jun 2006
|
QUOTE(hafiez @ May 15 2008, 12:56 AM) ASUS da SUSAh. haha , asus nid to clarify this ... but really i had bad impression when first time using their mobo .. ( damn hot .. ) now 2nd time use i nid to rma overseas ... ok that enough ~ time for DFI  |
|
|
May 15 2008, 01:24 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,070 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Ipoh
|
QUOTE(Melfice @ May 15 2008, 01:05 AM) haha , asus nid to clarify this ... asus oso got a reputation as time consuming in RMA proses. but really i had bad impression when first time using their mobo .. ( damn hot .. ) now 2nd time use i nid to rma overseas ... ok that enough ~ time for DFI |
|
|
May 15 2008, 01:26 AM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
QUOTE(gamers maniac @ May 15 2008, 02:24 AM) asus oso got a reputation as time consuming in RMA proses. i think so..........flight bck 2 Taiwan woh.........can tek months....... |
|
|
May 15 2008, 01:45 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,743 posts Joined: Jul 2006 From: Shah Alam
|
minimum 1 month
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 01:49 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,980 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: Mount Chiliad
|
now all ASUS pya pekung da klua.
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 03:06 AM
|
All Stars
10,596 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Hinamizawa
|
Is this EPU thing affect P5K model?
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 03:12 AM
|
Junior Member
309 posts Joined: Jan 2007
|
A great knife stab at Asus by Gigabyte. Sure it's not just a marketing ploy by them?
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 03:58 AM
|
Junior Member
411 posts Joined: Apr 2007
|
QUOTE(snoopyguy @ May 14 2008, 09:37 PM) Asus will lost some supporter this time.. Hmm, so Gigabyte is not so GayGaybyte after all Gigabyte still my favourite  Dunno why some ppl hate Giga boards just because they're colorful. I've never had a Giga board fail on me before, in contrast I have an EVGA 680i board with a failed PCIE slot. Way to go Gigabyte, bring it on! |
|
|
May 15 2008, 04:09 AM
|
Senior Member
2,659 posts Joined: Sep 2006 From: Miri, PJ & KL
|
I suspect you guys didn't read all relevant articles? There's another interesting read about an editor from a well known website that went to that event and left straight with sensitive info to ASUS's HQ. Here, have a read: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37413/128/
Some interesting bits: QUOTE We actually came into the information loop somewhere at this point and heard lots of rumors, ranging from Police being sent after the editor, PR people getting fired, the editor's decision to hide at Asus, his refusal to return to his hotel and advertising on the affected website being canceled. Oh, and take a look at the 6th comment. That guy point the finger at a particular person of a particular website...not sure if it's true. This post has been edited by clayclws: May 15 2008, 04:11 AM |
|
|
May 15 2008, 04:22 AM
|
|
All Stars
10,596 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Hinamizawa
|
Anandtech? this is bad....
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 05:44 AM
|
Senior Member
777 posts Joined: Mar 2006 From: Me to YUI
|
ASUS in trouble ..
 .. we need some explanation from ASUS .. |
|
|
May 15 2008, 06:20 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,157 posts Joined: Sep 2007 From: Kuantan
|
wahh....look like the romour is going to be the true one....
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 06:22 AM
|
Senior Member
2,696 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: forum.lowyat.net
|
i like asus products but suprisingly no thier mobo....i prefer gigabyte mobo!P35-DS3 FTW
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 06:23 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,157 posts Joined: Sep 2007 From: Kuantan
|
sad to hear on asus one...overprice and know lying summore...
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 06:42 AM
|
|
Junior Member
318 posts Joined: Oct 2004 From: Pat Ta Ling Ja Yaa..
|
true or not, international level companies cant simply accuse other of lies,
gigabyte seemed to have tested Asus' boards before presenting the 'truth' to the journalists. Falsifying something might burn a few million bucks in sue money. im more interested to see how Asus defend themselves. Anyway for them to compete in this war, we the consumers shall benefit more... if what gigabyte claim is true, im sure Asus will improve their product and surely gigabyte will have to give even better quality to maintain their superior claim over asus. u knoe la its like a BN n Opposition kinda thingy. cant have one to maharajalela wan.  |
|
|
May 15 2008, 07:08 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,282 posts Joined: Dec 2004 From: penang
|
i will never trust asus again..
not because of this... but because my asus mobo died.. now still in RMA almost 1 month also, i feel that my asus a8ne mobo is not stable as well.. |
|
|
May 15 2008, 07:10 AM
|
Senior Member
2,972 posts Joined: Jul 2006 From: OSINT
|
Now, I need to rethink of other brand of my new mobo ... extended days again ..
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 07:37 AM
|
Senior Member
2,546 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: far far away...
|
lol
that wut gigabyte say wait till asus say la dude gigabyte sure say his product is the best... btw im not asus fan ^^ i just use wut ever mobo that is good+price not 2k like asus haha |
|
|
May 15 2008, 07:41 AM
|
Junior Member
290 posts Joined: May 2008
|
I better take the bad rumour as true until it's proven not true as a safety precaution
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 08:20 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,546 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: far far away...
|
blablabla...
u guys buy the mobo come with epu? |
|
|
May 15 2008, 08:33 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,157 posts Joined: Sep 2007 From: Kuantan
|
right know we need to know what are going to explain bout this....
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 08:45 AM
|
|
Senior Member
777 posts Joined: Mar 2006 From: Me to YUI
|
QUOTE(Titan_GigAs @ May 15 2008, 06:42 AM) true or not, international level companies cant simply accuse other of lies, yup .. it's true .. this how it goes in marketing .. more competition means more innovation .. it will benefits us .. look at TM .. no competition no improvement .. gigabyte seemed to have tested Asus' boards before presenting the 'truth' to the journalists. Falsifying something might burn a few million bucks in sue money. im more interested to see how Asus defend themselves. Anyway for them to compete in this war, we the consumers shall benefit more... if what gigabyte claim is true, im sure Asus will improve their product and surely gigabyte will have to give even better quality to maintain their superior claim over asus. u knoe la its like a BN n Opposition kinda thingy. cant have one to maharajalela wan. |
|
|
May 15 2008, 08:49 AM
|
Senior Member
2,386 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Many calls it "Hell"
|
QUOTE(nelienuxe_sara @ May 15 2008, 07:37 AM) lol Bro, not to disagree with you, but i feel Gigabyte should have tested the Asus boards to a certain extent to be daring enough to disclose such information to public.that wut gigabyte say wait till asus say la dude gigabyte sure say his product is the best... btw im not asus fan ^^ i just use wut ever mobo that is good+price not 2k like asus haha If these were baseless assumptions and accusations, they will get into big trouble. From a neutral standpoint, it is a common practise in this industry where everyone only publishes what they feel will bring the best marketting benefit to them. This is what Intel is doing, so does many other players in this industry. However, this is no longer the case of disclosing whatever which is most beneficial, what they're doing here is considered as lying. It's just like if a company claims to be using Japanese Solid Caps and instead uses Cheapo Electrolyte Caps with Metal Caps whcih make them look like Solid Caps. To me, i used to be impresses by Asus, but then started to be a little neutral on it. Well, after reading all these, i think it'll take me some time to reconsider on their products. It's not the quality which matters most to me, it's the ethics in this industry. |
|
|
May 15 2008, 09:05 AM
|
Senior Member
1,885 posts Joined: Jan 2007
|
even gaygaybyte mobo is better overall me still can't tahan with its color..cacamerba one
Abit hardcore fan till end  ASUS??after knowing this,just say no to their product This post has been edited by PGV3910: May 15 2008, 09:06 AM |
|
|
May 15 2008, 09:21 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,113 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Cheras
|
QUOTE(nelienuxe_sara @ May 15 2008, 08:20 AM) blablabla... yes just bought 1 last week. but my trust on asus suddenly fade always after saw this, somemore i not so satisfy with my asus board compare to gigabyte.u guys buy the mobo come with epu? 1 more interesting article regarding gigabyte des vs asus epu: http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1348/gig...sus_epu_tested/ |
|
|
May 15 2008, 09:30 AM
|
Senior Member
1,916 posts Joined: Mar 2007 From: Petaling Jaya
|
mine is with EPU
but so far no problem wor. EDIT:an interesting video. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « and EPU vs DES » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by Lynixx: May 15 2008, 09:45 AM |
|
|
May 15 2008, 09:57 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,113 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Cheras
|
QUOTE(Lynixx @ May 15 2008, 09:30 AM) mine is with EPU i'm using same cpu & motherboard as you. so far no problems encounter. but i dont really like the atx power location & ami bios. somemore the bootup at bios like takes too long. but so far no problem wor. EDIT:an interesting video. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « and EPU vs DES » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
|
|
May 15 2008, 10:04 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,916 posts Joined: Mar 2007 From: Petaling Jaya
|
agree...
but it doesn't bothering me... as long as it work fine is enough. |
|
|
May 15 2008, 10:06 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,546 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: far far away...
|
lol the 1 who buy the product sure tak puas hati punya...
i cant say anything bout it since i do not spend alot of moneh on mobo ^^ |
|
|
May 15 2008, 10:13 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,743 posts Joined: Jul 2006 From: Shah Alam
|
each thing we buy of coz got sumthin yg kite x puas ati nye
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 10:15 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,113 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Cheras
|
QUOTE(Lynixx @ May 15 2008, 10:04 AM) agree... the northbridge heatsink will block intel stock heatsink fan cable hook if u do not allign the heatsink properly.but it doesn't bothering me... as long as it work fine is enough. |
|
|
May 15 2008, 12:02 PM
|
Senior Member
1,071 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL
|
QUOTE(@meno @ May 15 2008, 08:49 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « man..asus user might be hurt.asus come out wif many series...put EPU feature.i never thought it's fake info.. |
|
|
May 15 2008, 04:58 PM
|
Junior Member
25 posts Joined: Dec 2006
|
hmm... juz awhile ago, i tot Asus and gaygaybyte had a joint venture... or something... right?
so the joint venture... is to create such a drama in the ICT world? |
|
|
May 15 2008, 05:11 PM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
QUOTE(piggy(^(00)^) @ May 15 2008, 05:58 PM) hmm... juz awhile ago, i tot Asus and gaygaybyte had a joint venture... or something... right? ha ha, anything can happen..............so the joint venture... is to create such a drama in the ICT world? not long ago, AMD also use 2 b partnering wit nvidia................ look @ now, war in graphic............. of course gigabyte is furious la, since dat dey r da 1 dat come out wit dat power saving solution 1st....... all of a sudden, asus cheat ahead......... |
|
|
May 15 2008, 08:04 PM
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
QUOTE(Titan_GigAs @ May 14 2008, 10:49 PM) where is this LYN dude ----> haha, lol when Asus fans need him? need a hardcore Asus fan to give comments |
|
|
May 15 2008, 08:18 PM
|
Junior Member
223 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Sunway/Kuching
|
OMG!!! i was thinking bout buying Asus mobo... lucky i havent buy... i dont have any Asus stuff in my comp! woohoO!!
EDIT.. eh my heat sink is asus lol This post has been edited by xxmetalhead86xx: May 15 2008, 08:19 PM |
|
|
May 15 2008, 08:19 PM
|
Senior Member
5,697 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: A Place Where God And Master Of TroubleMaker Exist
|
haiya...u guys...really trust gaygaybyte said thing a?this little bit rumour.....cannot defeat asus...as im using asus motherboard P4P800SE over 5 years......and processor at 70Celcius...i dun even have a capacitor kaboom...and still run rocks on my rig until now
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 08:22 PM
|
Senior Member
599 posts Joined: Oct 2007 From: Finding the Core
|
wonder why acecombat does not want to post here.....yet
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 08:30 PM
|
|
Senior Member
5,697 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: A Place Where God And Master Of TroubleMaker Exist
|
QUOTE(Core_Trace® @ May 15 2008, 08:22 PM) wonder why acecombat does not want to post here.....yet maybe he did not aware this topic |
|
|
May 15 2008, 08:32 PM
|
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
QUOTE(herojack41 @ May 15 2008, 08:19 PM) haiya...u guys...really trust gaygaybyte said thing a?this little bit rumour.....cannot defeat asus...as im using asus motherboard P4P800SE over 5 years......and processor at 70Celcius...i dun even have a capacitor kaboom...and still run rocks on my rig until now take note that, without a strong core/base, gaygaybyte won't make such fuss by using their own company names |
|
|
May 15 2008, 08:35 PM
|
|
Senior Member
777 posts Joined: Mar 2006 From: Me to YUI
|
QUOTE(@meno @ May 15 2008, 08:49 AM) It's not the quality which matters most to me, it's the ethics in this industry. you were right bro .. thumbs up for u .. |
|
|
May 15 2008, 08:36 PM
|
|
Junior Member
211 posts Joined: Mar 2007
|
Asus didnt say anything?
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 08:47 PM
|
|
Senior Member
599 posts Joined: Oct 2007 From: Finding the Core
|
did asus really claimed 80%?or i mistakenly read at their website.....
|
|
|
May 15 2008, 09:05 PM
|
Senior Member
1,747 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: serdang selangor 
|
this is madness
i never bought asus mobo before but for me gigabyte is not that good too |
|
|
May 15 2008, 09:11 PM
|
|
Senior Member
5,697 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: A Place Where God And Master Of TroubleMaker Exist
|
QUOTE(pikacu @ May 15 2008, 08:32 PM) take note that, without a strong core/base, gaygaybyte won't make such fuss by using their own company names erm...maybe u should get a asus board and gaygaybyte board....then u will knw da differences..remember o..after done testing do donate to me   QUOTE(hagiwara @ May 15 2008, 08:35 PM) you were right bro .. thumbs up for u ..  » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
|
|
May 15 2008, 09:12 PM
|
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
^ lol asus fanboy spotted
 |
|
|
May 15 2008, 09:18 PM
|
Senior Member
653 posts Joined: Dec 2006
|
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
|
|
 May 15 2008, 10:31 PM
|
 
VIP
18,182 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: Dagobah
|
GigaByte since Pentium-II days till now... not a single board failed me, great stability.
Besides I had used ABit, ECS and PC Chips also... Personally never used ASUS but some of my friends did... |
|
|
May 15 2008, 10:44 PM
|
Junior Member
397 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Kuala Lumpur
|
had bad experience for Asus... P4 era bought a budget board... 1st uniit USB and PS2 ports dead, so next day balik change, 2nd unit Printer port dead, so go back again.. only 3rd unit working but only lasted a year b4 had to change again
lazy d so bought Gigabyte board, RMA asus board and kept as spare... |
|
|
May 15 2008, 10:50 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,916 posts Joined: Mar 2007 From: Petaling Jaya
|
i support asus bcos....
the mobo design maybe. |
|
|
May 15 2008, 10:57 PM
|
|
Elite
6,139 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
i have used 2 gigabyte board , both based on 865 and 875 series chipset
the boards still works.. but the sub-componens is not working anymore.. such as usb and onboard audio |
|
|
May 15 2008, 10:59 PM
|
All Stars
13,210 posts Joined: Jul 2006
|
okay, for me this case is bad if proven true.
but how about those 500W Cap Ayam™ power supplies which also tell "BIG" specification? yet still many people supporting them. i'm neither fans on asus nor gigabyte |
|
|
May 15 2008, 11:33 PM
|
|
Elite
6,139 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
QUOTE(ktek @ May 15 2008, 10:59 PM) okay, for me this case is bad if proven true. Cap Ayam™ and 'BIG' specification cannot mix.. its a common sense.. unless that person don't have any sensebut how about those 500W Cap Ayam™ power supplies which also tell "BIG" specification? yet still many people supporting them. i'm neither fans on asus nor gigabyte |
|
|
May 15 2008, 11:37 PM
|
Senior Member
1,191 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: Penang
|
Obviously a personal attack by Gaygabyte. They are so jealous with Asus, ever since. 2 years ago they joined Asus, then 6 months later, they came out saying the sales are not good enough for them. In fact, the mobo sales for GGB went up very high when they are together with Asus. Funny thing is, they managed to released their first Nforce board, after few months of joining Asus, good timing isn't it ?
I believed their intention is to "steal" Asus technology and then disband. In this market, you can do so much but you can never hurt Asus' sales. Their product are well-known for stability. GGB RMA rate are very high. You seldom hear Asus board getting RMA-ed, unless the end-user OC it or do something foolish that killed the board. I'm using both GGB and Asus board here. |
|
|
May 16 2008, 01:06 AM
|
Senior Member
1,836 posts Joined: Oct 2005 From: Mars
|
The thing Gigabyte is trying to say is that they only use Japanese-made solid capacitors in their range of motherboards that they claim to have solid capacitors installed, whereas Asus only uses Japanese-made solid capacitors in some of the motherboards, but not in all of their motherboard range that claim to have solid capacitors installed on their motherboards. That is what Gigabyte is trying to say. Not that all Asus boards don't use Japanese-made capacitors.
IMO, in the critical areas such as the CPU area, I believe Asus really installed Japanese made capacitors, they will use non-Japanese made solid capacitors in not so critical areas. |
|
|
May 16 2008, 01:26 AM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
QUOTE(viqq @ May 16 2008, 02:06 AM) The thing Gigabyte is trying to say is that they only use Japanese-made solid capacitors in their range of motherboards that they claim to have solid capacitors installed, whereas Asus only uses Japanese-made solid capacitors in some of the motherboards, but not in all of their motherboard range that claim to have solid capacitors installed on their motherboards. That is what Gigabyte is trying to say. Not that all Asus boards don't use Japanese-made capacitors. i dun really care about solid capacitor o not............IMO, in the critical areas such as the CPU area, I believe Asus really installed Japanese made capacitors, they will use non-Japanese made solid capacitors in not so critical areas. all my pc nvr been use long enough till capacitor burst............ wat bothers me is the how d EPU works.............. auto downclock & OC is fine bt i just dun like dat dey mess wit fsb & core voltage........... i prefer 2 hav control over dat areas....... |
|
|
May 16 2008, 01:43 AM
|
Senior Member
1,613 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Sg Long/Serdang
|
swt i heard news this 2 company want to cooperate each other now there is shooting each other..........
i am confuse |
|
|
May 16 2008, 02:12 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,191 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: Penang
|
QUOTE(bai1101 @ May 16 2008, 01:43 AM) swt i heard news this 2 company want to cooperate each other now there is shooting each other.......... They have co-operate before but it didn't worked out because GGB are too greedy for the market share. I doubt they can co-operate again in future.i am confuse If their product are really that good, they don't need to attack Asus's directly. When someone tell you the cake taste bad, if you fully believed what he said, then they already succeeded their objective. |
|
|
May 16 2008, 04:29 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,836 posts Joined: Oct 2005 From: Mars
|
QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 16 2008, 01:26 AM) i dun really care about solid capacitor o not............ It's the other way around for me. DES or EPU is not that important for me. It is because I run my CPU at full speed most of the time e.g. Gaming & etc.all my pc nvr been use long enough till capacitor burst............ wat bothers me is the how d EPU works.............. auto downclock & OC is fine bt i just dun like dat dey mess wit fsb & core voltage........... i prefer 2 hav control over dat areas....... You don't care about solid capacitor or not? I assume you are not an overclocker? These solid capacitors are very important for your system to run stably. What you meant was you don't care whether they are Japanese made or not is it? It's not that the capacitors burst or don't burst, who doesn't want a motherboard that has the quality to run for as long as possible? If you are someone that likes to fiddle with BIOS settings or overclock your system, you don't need or want to turn on EPU/DES I suppose. EPU or DES greatly relies on your FSB or VCore to save energy. So you should just turn it off if you happen to own a motherboard has this feature. |
|
|
May 16 2008, 06:45 AM
|
|
Senior Member
777 posts Joined: Mar 2006 From: Me to YUI
|
QUOTE(herojack41 @ May 15 2008, 09:11 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
|
|
May 16 2008, 09:43 AM
|
Junior Member
127 posts Joined: Aug 2005
|
well, the news is not surprising...
anyway i always prefer saus product |
|
|
May 16 2008, 10:24 AM
|
Senior Member
1,533 posts Joined: Aug 2007
|
im a gigabyte user here.. anywhere im also surprise about asus products.. as because my friend is using asus mainboard.. their performance also quite good.. hard for me to believe this..
|
|
|
May 16 2008, 11:16 AM
|
|
All Stars
13,210 posts Joined: Jul 2006
|
QUOTE(viqq @ May 16 2008, 04:29 AM) It's the other way around for me. DES or EPU is not that important for me. It is because I run my CPU at full speed most of the time e.g. Gaming & etc. You don't care about solid capacitor or not? I assume you are not an overclocker? These solid capacitors are very important for your system to run stably. What you meant was you don't care whether they are Japanese made or not is it? It's not that the capacitors burst or don't burst, who doesn't want a motherboard that has the quality to run for as long as possible? If you are someone that likes to fiddle with BIOS settings or overclock your system, you don't need or want to turn on EPU/DES I suppose. EPU or DES greatly relies on your FSB or VCore to save energy. So you should just turn it off if you happen to own a motherboard has this feature. my father office use normal P3 as server for more than 10 years of 24/7 with no pure power supply and no solid caps. it does run well until current. it's not about the quality to last long but how you take care of it. of course high quality products will make it better. solid caps is not god-like, they do burst too i even saw a before few claimed "solid caps" are just electrolytic capacitor with a metal housing. a normal PC user won't tell a fake japs make capacitor. they write japanese word on it? another thing i don't feel right is "low Vcore = low power consumption" QUOTE(eric999 @ May 16 2008, 09:43 AM) well, the news is not surprising... anyway i always prefer saus product no surprise for me too and you spell it wr0ng |
|
|
May 16 2008, 11:21 AM
|
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 11:16 AM) my father office use normal P3 as server for more than 10 years of 24/7 with no pure power supply and no solid caps. it does run well until current. it's not about the quality to last long but how you take care of it. Do you overclock? =_=of course high quality products will make it better. solid caps is not god-like, they do burst too QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 11:16 AM) i even saw a before few claimed "solid caps" are just electrolytic capacitor with a metal housing. this is why gaygaybyte expose this issue?a normal PC user won't tell a fake japs make capacitor. they write japanese word on it? QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 11:16 AM) another thing i don't feel right is "low Vcore = low power consumption" Do you overclock? =_= |
|
|
 May 16 2008, 11:49 AM
|
|
VIP
18,182 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: Dagobah
|
QUOTE(hagiwara @ May 16 2008, 06:45 AM) rilex bro .. we need to face the fact .. i'm also quite shocked with this news .. I think someone here did show that.. Check this out.. QUOTE(merzchan @ May 15 2008, 09:21 AM) 1 more interesting article regarding gigabyte des vs asus epu: http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1348/gig...sus_epu_tested/ QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 11:16 AM) solid caps is not god-like, they do burst too Solid caps are not electrolytic and they are not supposed to explode. They use conductive polymer or semiconductor type. On the subject of fake caps, its easy to tell.. don't look at the color but the brand. Example "Rulycon" (the real one is "Rubycon"). One of the brands commonly faked is Nichicon, which is hard to tell unless you are familiar with Nichicon's markings and colors. i even saw a before few claimed "solid caps" are just electrolytic capacitor with a metal housing. a normal PC user won't tell a fake japs make capacitor. they write japanese word on it? I saw somewhere that even Apple uses these at one time, here QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 11:16 AM) another thing i don't feel right is "low Vcore = low power consumption" Well given the same load (formula V^2/R), lower Vcore definitely reduces the wattage but stability when may be affected especially those overclocked.  This post has been edited by lex: May 16 2008, 12:26 PM |
|
|
May 16 2008, 12:26 PM
|
|
All Stars
13,210 posts Joined: Jul 2006
|
QUOTE(pikacu @ May 16 2008, 11:21 AM) Do you overclock? =_= this is why gaygaybyte expose this issue? Do you overclock? =_= why must always bring in the topic of overclock? everybody who own a PC with these overrated solid caps MUZ OVERCL0CK ??!! shy to tell, but the P3 run from 500MHz pushed to 550MHz, that's 10% of overcl0ck in my thought, capacitors... it's just part of components in a main board. why nobody talk about the coils? diodes? you can't run your PC without them too. QUOTE(lex @ May 16 2008, 11:49 AM) Solid caps are not electrolytic and they are not supposed to explode. They use conductive polymer or semiconductor type. On the subject of fake caps, its easy to tell.. don't look at the color but the brand. Example "Rulycon" (the real one is "Rubycon"). One of the brands commonly faked is Nichicon, which is hard to tell unless you are familiar with Nichicon's markings and colors. I saw somewhere that even Apple uses these at one time, here Well given the same load (formula V^2/R), lower Vcore definitely reduces the wattage but stability when may be affected especially those overclocked. ok, so solid state caps not suppose to blow. got it. not all normal PC users know about Rubycon and Nichicon, it's hard to tell. low vcore = low wattage. got it. This post has been edited by lex: May 16 2008, 12:28 PM |
|
|
May 16 2008, 12:49 PM
|
|
VIP
18,182 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: Dagobah
|
QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 12:26 PM) why must always bring in the topic of overclock? Well, in the old days prices of processors are quite high, so overclocking is one way of getting most performance out of the money spent. Shy to tell you, in one of my old machines, I had a Celeron (Coppermine) overclocked from 566MHz to 850MHz easily.. that's 50% overclock! Performance faster than P3 550MHz.. everybody who own a PC with these overrated solid caps MUZ OVERCL0CK ??!! shy to tell, but the P3 run from 500MHz pushed to 550MHz, that's 10% of overcl0ck QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 12:26 PM) in my thought, capacitors... it's just part of components in a main board. The thing is capacitors more than often affect stability of the mainboard. Many tech guys knows this.. which is why some companies like GigaByte emphasize about capacitors in their marketing. why nobody talk about the coils? diodes? you can't run your PC without them too. QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 12:26 PM) not all normal PC users know about Rubycon and Nichicon, it's hard to tell. Rubycon clones are easy to tell (see attached images), also added another "clone" name.. . Nichicon fakes are a bit harder to differentiate... Attached thumbnail(s) 
Attached image(s)   |
|
|
May 16 2008, 02:35 PM
|
Senior Member
1,995 posts Joined: May 2005
|
the best still to do without any cap like what nvidia and ati do with graphic card power circuitry...... military grade goods hehe....
|
|
|
May 16 2008, 02:41 PM
|
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 12:26 PM) why must always bring in the topic of overclock? because that is why manufacturer use what-you-called "overrated" solid caps =_________=everybody who own a PC with these overrated solid caps MUZ OVERCL0CK ??!! shy to tell, but the P3 run from 500MHz pushed to 550MHz, that's 10% of overcl0ck This post has been edited by pikacu: May 16 2008, 02:41 PM |
|
|
May 16 2008, 03:00 PM
|
|
Senior Member
2,546 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: far far away...
|
QUOTE(LExus65 @ May 16 2008, 02:35 PM) the best still to do without any cap like what nvidia and ati do with graphic card power circuitry...... military grade goods hehe.... if everything military standard damn expensive la... aiyo... u ah... |
|
|
May 16 2008, 05:48 PM
|
|
Elite
6,139 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
ASUS Retaliates Against Gigabyte, Issues Official Statement
QUOTE ASUS today has issued an official statement to clarify on the recent spat of rumors accusing ASUS of making baseless claims on their motherboard features. Of course, the presentation was done internally by Gigabyte to a group of media recently but was unfortunately leaked out in the internet. It has come to our attention that a certain Taiwanese Motherboard Manufacturer has made false claims against ASUS motherboards. These claims have given rise to false information being communicated in both the mainstream media and technology channels. ASUS wishes to clarify the issues and so avoid any further confusion. After investigation, it is clear that this company in question made use of a sponsored gathering of local and international media to deliberately spread information that we consider both untrue and without credible verification. This “disinformation” is not only extremely damaging to ASUS but also completely misleading to the consumers. ASUS reserves the right to take legal action against any individual, organization or corporation which creates or spreads such rumors. ASUS has issued another statement to reiterate the P5Q motherboard features once again : Exclusive Feature 1: The world’s first energy saving motherboards now feature new generation EPU for ultimate energy savings and performance ASUS, in September 2007, released the world’s first EPU energy saving motherboard. Now, the P5Q series utilizes the newest version of the EPU hardware based energy saving chip, which can detect current PC loadings in real time and automatically moderate the power supply for complete system level power savings. Exclusive Feature 2: World’s first true 16-phase power design for ultimate durability and lowest power consumption In order to achieve the best possible performance and energy savings, the ASUS P5Q series’ VRM voltage regulation module utilizes the ASUS exclusively designed true 16-phase power design; which features intelligent auto phase switching technology - when the CPU load increases, 16-phases are utilized, and during low CPU processing periods, it switches automatically to a responsive 4-phase system to power the CPU. This allows the ASUS P5Q to draw less power, thereby raising power efficiency and prolonging component lifespans for longer durability. Exclusive Feature 3: All Japan-made conductive capacitors for low temperatures, stability and longer lifetimes The ASUS P5Q utilizes 100% Japan-made conductive polymer capacitors for the whole motherboard, providing world-class stability, low temperatures, and reduces the risk of high voltages to the CPU – providing various ways to prolong component life-spans. Exclusive Feature 4: 5 Seconds* from bootup to online with Express Gate Many times, the PC is only switched on to access email, surf the Internet or chat with friends through instant messaging programs – so why waste precious minutes of your time just waiting for boot-up? In order to make PCs more accessible to people, ASUS has designed the exclusive Express Gate for rapid online access after bootup. In just 5 seconds, users will be able to enjoy Internet access, Skype calls, popular Instant Messengers (IM) like MSN or Yahoo Messenger, watch YouTube videos, view photos and check their emails – all without waiting to load Windows! Exclusive Feature 5: 360° total protection for safety and data Security The ASUS P5Q series utilizes 4 exclusive “Total Safety Features” to provide full 360° personal computing protection to cater to the safety of consumers and data security. In regards to motherboard safety, ASUS has designed the Electrostatic Discharge Protection (ESD) and Overcurrent Protection features. The human body can build up electric static charges as high as a few kilovolts. When contact is made to electronic devices through the fingers, this charge can cause electrical damage to internal components. ASUS’ ESD Protection provides static electricity protection that surpasses the EU’s strict standards, especially for commonly used USB ports. An overcurrent is a current that exceeds the amperage rating of the external device (flash memory, hard disks etc) or circuits (e.g. ICs). If an external device with a fauty circuit is connected to a PC, an overcurrent might occur and seriously damage components or the external device. ASUS’ Overcurrent Protection automatically detects such overcurrents, and acts to protect your external devices and other motherboard components. Users usually store photos and music in their hard disks. Due to complex backup solutions and the long time taken for backups, users seldom find it easy to perform backups – even when using traditional RAID options. ASUS’ Drive Xpert makes it easy to perform data backups through a user-friendly graphical user interface, or enhance hard drive performances without the hassles of complicated configurations. ASUS’ Data Guardian provides a secure and protected working environment for users – and secures the user’s personal data via TPM to create a virtual folder protected by an encryption key, and then stored on a USB portable drive. With Data Guardian, users will never worry about unauthorized usage, hackers and stolen hard disk drives ever again. * subject to user’s hardware and software configuration |
|
|
May 16 2008, 06:24 PM
|
|
Senior Member
2,659 posts Joined: Sep 2006 From: Miri, PJ & KL
|
Hmmm..but they did not really prove that Gigabyte was wrong and just release statements without any justifications...
|
|
|
May 16 2008, 07:27 PM
|
Senior Member
2,144 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Kuching, Sarawak
|
Based from the statement from ASUS, talk about their technology is cheap without any proof.
|
|
|
May 16 2008, 07:33 PM
|
Senior Member
1,420 posts Joined: May 2008
|
That doesn't prove that the statements made by Gaygaybyte is false....
|
|
|
May 16 2008, 07:33 PM
|
|
Senior Member
599 posts Joined: Oct 2007 From: Finding the Core
|
as long as i dont have any prob.....i have faith in asus products.....haha....
|
|
|
May 16 2008, 07:35 PM
|
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
I did not see that as a reply...yet promoting their features without any statement that deny GB statement?
This post has been edited by pikacu: May 16 2008, 07:36 PM |
|
|
May 16 2008, 07:37 PM
|
|
Senior Member
4,789 posts Joined: Aug 2005 From: Ipoh <---> Kuala Lumpur
|
yeah. looks like they are just telling to customers again what exactly the technology they use. could this mean that gigabyte's accusations are true?
|
|
|
May 16 2008, 07:38 PM
|
Staff
9,417 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Bladin Point, Northern Territory
|
QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 12:26 PM) in my thought, capacitors... it's just part of components in a main board. why nobody talk about the coils? diodes? you can't run your PC without them too. Or maybe just because 1. Diodes are used predominantly for protection from SC or Reverse bias damage. We're not talking Varicap diodes or even Ultra powerderful Zeners (most use compensated VRefs these days), normally it's just normal plain diodes that don't have reliability issues. 2. Coils are quite reliable and their characteristics don't "drift" over time unlike capacitors which still rely on a very electrochemical process. And remember that the power regulator can control the current more accurately than the voltage by opening and closing the MOSFET gates. It's all a case of the weakest link here, and capacitors happen to have the lowest life among electronic components, thus the max reliability of any system would be dictated by these dinky little caps. |
|
|
May 16 2008, 07:41 PM
|
Elite
5,434 posts Joined: Dec 2006
|
i see there is one big monster avatar there
just noticed this topic after ktek tell me through msn nowadays i only active in sales zone there. well,for me,i didnt suprise to know about this. Asus claimed that they made a nice mobo with all these features while Gigabyte also claimed the same things. but one thing which can be confirmed,a big firm wont say something to public without any pr00f for it,if they do so,they are just killing themselves.i bet they already tested some of the Asus mobo and found out it was fake which claimed by Asus. Energy saving is a very good design and very nice feature,last time,it used to be a creative idea,but now,it becomes a marketing gimmick for all motherboard company,like gigabyte,asus,msi...etc,believe me,after motherboard,end up u will see nvidia and ati graphic card also include this feature. basically,motherboard quality is not from manufacturer but luck,u see,some of the consumer used Asus product for more than 5 years and never failed them,while some of consumer using MSI which more than 5 years and still running fine,but some of them blamed that their mobo cant tahan la,burnt la,apa la....for me,it depends on how u use it and etc. In the end, it's all subjective, don't you think? now gigabyte made the announcement and it will be 95% true,now have to see what will Asus said, but,for hardcore overclocker,who bother about these energy saving?for them,it's just an annoying issue which will affect their oc-ed performance but take a look at the Asus statement. IT SAYS ASUS P5Q SERIES ONLY,what about those taken by Gigabyte to use as evidence one? and one more,Asus never clarify ALL the conductive polymer capacitors they using are 100% Japan-made. I have no loyalties, if GB comes out with a board which outperforms the rest, I'm in.  Edited: those mobo that used by gigabyte as evidence were: Asus P5E3 Deluxe Asus P5E3 Premium Gigabyte’s EP35-DS3L This post has been edited by AceCombat: May 16 2008, 08:21 PM |
|
|
May 16 2008, 08:08 PM
|
|
All Stars
10,596 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Hinamizawa
|
QUOTE(jinaun @ May 16 2008, 05:48 PM) ASUS Retaliates Against Gigabyte, Issues Official Statement what kind of press statement is this?http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/ASUS_Retal...ement/5780.html How will this statement will prove GB accusation is false? |
|
|
May 16 2008, 08:49 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,420 posts Joined: May 2008
|
Maybe Asus is not denying the Gaygaybyte accusations....
|
|
|
May 16 2008, 08:56 PM
|
Junior Member
26 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Land below the wind
|
Gigabyte (more stabile, cheaper, less RMA)
ASUS (less stabile, more expensive, more RMA, more gimmick)  hehe |
|
|
May 16 2008, 09:03 PM
|
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
imo, for marketing gimmick, both Gaygaybyte and Assus are the same
|
|
|
May 16 2008, 09:03 PM
|
|
Elite
5,434 posts Joined: Dec 2006
|
QUOTE(Raptureboy @ May 16 2008, 08:56 PM) Gigabyte (more stabile, cheaper, less RMA) Gigabyte (more gay color) ASUS (less stabile, more expensive, more RMA, more gimmick) hehe Asus(more money) |
|
|
May 16 2008, 09:06 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,420 posts Joined: May 2008
|
Gigabyte is for metro sexual
|
|
|
May 16 2008, 09:07 PM
|
Junior Member
85 posts Joined: Dec 2006
|
DFi better than gaygaybite and arsesus. hoho. just my RM999
|
|
|
May 16 2008, 09:10 PM
|
|
All Stars
10,596 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Hinamizawa
|
how about gigabyte grahic card? also gay?
|
|
|
May 16 2008, 09:14 PM
|
Senior Member
1,304 posts Joined: Nov 2005 From: A place
|
yup gc also gay LOL coz it call gaygaybyte.....
but anyway i still support asus.... !! haha |
|
|
May 16 2008, 09:18 PM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
QUOTE(viqq @ May 16 2008, 05:29 AM) It's the other way around for me. DES or EPU is not that important for me. It is because I run my CPU at full speed most of the time e.g. Gaming & etc. i dun OC on da system dat i'm using........only OC the system which is 4 testing & benchmarking..................You don't care about solid capacitor or not? I assume you are not an overclocker? These solid capacitors are very important for your system to run stably. What you meant was you don't care whether they are Japanese made or not is it? It's not that the capacitors burst or don't burst, who doesn't want a motherboard that has the quality to run for as long as possible? If you are someone that likes to fiddle with BIOS settings or overclock your system, you don't need or want to turn on EPU/DES I suppose. EPU or DES greatly relies on your FSB or VCore to save energy. So you should just turn it off if you happen to own a motherboard has this feature. i actually like the DES features.......auto downclock wen u dun performing task dat dun need so much processing power...............really save a lot electric bill........not 2 mention lower cpu & system temperature........... |
|
|
May 16 2008, 09:20 PM
|
|
Senior Member
563 posts Joined: Jan 2008
|
Asus did not mention about the claimed 80% power saving.
I noticed a few fans of particular brand claiming that the other brand has more RMA and so. The case now is the claim by Asus that their product perform better than it's actual performance. Whether or not your board RMA-ed before does not prove whether it's a reliable board or not. Your board is only a minute sample of all the boards they produce in the world. |
|
|
May 16 2008, 09:24 PM
|
Senior Member
955 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
QUOTE(tomatos @ May 16 2008, 09:20 PM) Asus did not mention about the claimed 80% power saving. Indeed. They thought one case can conclude it all? I still don't understand how does this people can pass their exam during school time. My advice, go back to school and learn proper statistics~!!I noticed a few fans of particular brand claiming that the other brand has more RMA and so. The case now is the claim by Asus that their product perform better than it's actual performance. Whether or not your board RMA-ed before does not prove whether it's a reliable board or not. Your board is only a minute sample of all the boards they produce in the world. |
|
|
May 16 2008, 09:28 PM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
QUOTE(tomatos @ May 16 2008, 10:20 PM) Asus did not mention about the claimed 80% power saving. not exactly 80%, bt dey do mention bout 70+%.................I noticed a few fans of particular brand claiming that the other brand has more RMA and so. The case now is the claim by Asus that their product perform better than it's actual performance. Whether or not your board RMA-ed before does not prove whether it's a reliable board or not. Your board is only a minute sample of all the boards they produce in the world. it is printed on their mobo box & posters............ ha, cannot really say which brand has more RMA.............. more accurate would da b percentage............... if more people is using dat brand, of course RMA will also more le............... This post has been edited by tech3910: May 17 2008, 02:04 AM |
|
|
May 16 2008, 10:04 PM
|
|
Senior Member
563 posts Joined: Jan 2008
|
QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 16 2008, 09:28 PM) not exactly 80%, bt dey do mention bout 70+%................. well their website states 80.23%it is printed on their mobo box & posters............ ha, cannot really say which brand has more RMA.............. more accurate would da percentage............... if more people is using dat brand, of course RMA will also more le............... |
|
|
May 16 2008, 10:12 PM
|
|
Junior Member
165 posts Joined: Jan 2007
|
seems like asus EPU is winning over gaygaybyte DES
 http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9459/epu_vs_...ipei/index.html |
|
|
May 16 2008, 10:48 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,836 posts Joined: Oct 2005 From: Mars
|
QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 16 2008, 09:18 PM) i dun OC on da system dat i'm using........only OC the system which is 4 testing & benchmarking.................. Yeap yeap, but not very significant if 1 PC only.. Let say if you have 10 PCs, the amount would be more significant.i actually like the DES features.......auto downclock wen u dun performing task dat dun need so much processing power...............really save a lot electric bill........not 2 mention lower cpu & system temperature........... QUOTE(myke @ May 16 2008, 10:12 PM) seems like asus EPU is winning over gaygaybyte DES It is because EPU can shut down idle hard drives while DES don't do the same. That's why they insisted to attach 3 hard drives to show that EPU are more energy saving. http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9459/epu_vs_...ipei/index.html It seems like that if EPU or DES is turned on, the multiplier is locked at 6. |
|
|
May 17 2008, 12:07 AM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
QUOTE(viqq @ May 16 2008, 11:48 PM) Yeap yeap, but not very significant if 1 PC only.. Let say if you have 10 PCs, the amount would be more significant. bt if u on ur rig 24/7, over some period, u can really save a lot.....................It is because EPU can shut down idle hard drives while DES don't do the same. That's why they insisted to attach 3 hard drives to show that EPU are more energy saving. It seems like that if EPU or DES is turned on, the multiplier is locked at 6. actually dis is wad GGB target, those offices wit lots of pc & those 24/7 pc..............it will save a lot of money on electric bill is not dat multiplier locked @ 6, wen idle o dun use so much processing power, it will auto go down 2 6.............. bt during load, it will jump 2 max........... This post has been edited by tech3910: May 17 2008, 12:07 AM |
|
|
May 17 2008, 01:57 AM
|
Senior Member
1,930 posts Joined: Aug 2005 From: o( *ﾟｰﾟ)┘miao^miao Status: Perm Banana
|
RMA issue cannot be simply claimed and accuse, due to uneven sales volume. if an expensive brand has low sales volume, of coz its RMA percentage would be extremely lower compared to a decent brand with extremely high volume of sales.
and so far, to me, i still think hardware is a shot with luck. everyone's saying maxtor and wd not good, msi shit, but my pc still running ok wad... so far gigabyte's claim seemed quite solid, though i wonder why would they wanna do it in a closed presentation instead of public challenge to asus? and asus's statement is still not solid enough to defend itself, rather a disappointment to me. |
|
|
May 17 2008, 02:45 AM
|
|
Junior Member
85 posts Joined: Dec 2006
|
QUOTE(tomatos @ May 16 2008, 09:20 PM) Asus did not mention about the claimed 80% power saving. this one is very true. this is just a politic in business. they want all buyer to buy their product.I noticed a few fans of particular brand claiming that the other brand has more RMA and so. The case now is the claim by Asus that their product perform better than it's actual performance. Whether or not your board RMA-ed before does not prove whether it's a reliable board or not. Your board is only a minute sample of all the boards they produce in the world. will see later sure arsesus fight gaygaybyte back.. |
|
|
May 17 2008, 02:58 AM
|
|
VIP
18,182 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: Dagobah
|
QUOTE(myke @ May 16 2008, 10:12 PM) seems like asus EPU is winning over gaygaybyte DES Oh really? I think you missed this part.... http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9459/epu_vs_...ipei/index.html QUOTE Surprised as to why this may be the case as a result of our own testing in our labs, we asked ASUS how they managed to beat Gigabyte and the answer wasn’t as technical as I thought it might be. We are assuming through a fast flow of changes to EPU by the engineers at ASUS, EPU is able to turn off hard drives connected to the motherboard (except the master C drive) after a period of idle time, around 15 minutes we were told – hence why three hard drives were connected to the system for the demo and for the eyes of the attending media. Gigabyte DES in its current state and as far as we know, doesn’t do the same. The chap from ASUS even mentioned that when you first turn on the systems, idle power consumption would be about the same. We wanted to reboot the systems or unplug the two extra hard drives from the DES based system and see what would happen, but that might have not gone down too well, during their presentation. This post has been edited by lex: May 17 2008, 03:05 AM |
|
|
May 17 2008, 03:30 AM
|
|
Junior Member
318 posts Joined: Oct 2004 From: Pat Ta Ling Ja Yaa..
|
QUOTE(mrpac_187 @ May 16 2008, 09:07 PM) DFi better than gaygaybite and arsesus. hoho. just my RM999 ekhmm Asus DVDrom, Asus HSF, Asus Monitor.. i wonder who using them haiya why DFi no come out with DVD drive, CPU cooler and LCD wan .. haha sorry out of topic, we stick back to motherboard oni |
|
|
May 17 2008, 03:35 AM
|
Senior Member
783 posts Joined: Apr 2005
|
I want to ask you guys this, shouldn't a Environmental Friendly products be cheaper than others? So that more people use them rather than using low efficiency products.
So why are we spending more money (indirectly earth resources) for these products from Asus & Gigabyte ? Same like Hybrid cars, why the hell their import tax so high although they are suppose to be green cars. Shouldn't it be competitively priced. A bit off topic here. |
|
|
May 17 2008, 03:41 AM
|
Junior Member
216 posts Joined: Mar 2005
|
Asus quality getting worse... I already experienced 3 faulty asus motherboard in less than 2 years
|
|
|
May 17 2008, 03:48 AM
|
|
Senior Member
783 posts Joined: Apr 2005
|
QUOTE(sellihcA2005 @ May 17 2008, 03:41 AM) Asus quality getting worse... I already experienced 3 faulty asus motherboard in less than 2 years Do you run board above manufacturer specification or in short do you Overclock it kaw kaw? Because I have a 8 years old Asus Pentium 3 board which happen to running just fine. So 3 faulty board in 2 years is quite worrying situation. |
|
|
May 17 2008, 03:56 AM
|
Junior Member
490 posts Joined: Oct 2005
|
If you compare Asus and Gigabyte, I would still prefer Gigabyte.
DFi is good but not the best now. |
|
|
May 17 2008, 04:03 AM
|
|
Senior Member
783 posts Joined: Apr 2005
|
Well there is no need to choose sides in this matter. Both company is an excellent and innovative manufacturer which unfortunately results in serious competition. Which ever manufacturer gives the customer green product, best performance, high efficient , ethical business model and gives customer value for our hard earned money should be one top.
|
|
|
May 17 2008, 04:19 AM
|
Senior Member
2,605 posts Joined: Jan 2006 From: A Place Between Heaven & Hell
|
Simple u wan performance there's power efficiency, If u wan power efficiency u cant get performance. U cant use Kancil batteries on a Ferarri.
|
|
|
May 17 2008, 04:47 AM
|
|
Senior Member
783 posts Joined: Apr 2005
|
Do you think all electrical products are efficient? If it does where does the heat from the cpu come from? We might not need a cpu cooler if all CPU are 100% efficient. And there is no such thing as 100% efficient products. Energy will be transfered to one form or another but cant be destroyed. In this case electrical power to heat.
There is the balance between efficiency and performance. Zeustronic, you use Kancil and Ferrari to represent this so i will use a Honda based on a Hydrogen Fuel Cell. It use 100% hydrogen as fuel and oxygen as oxidant. 0% emission as only water will come out of the exhaust. The water is even safe to use for drinking. And the electricity generated from this engine is about 100Kwatts which can power 10 average house. Watch Top Gear on BBC Channel2 Season 10 for this. IMHO, There is always room for efficiency, value and performance combined. Motherboard manufacturers should doing this rather than arguing about each other flaw. |
|
|
May 17 2008, 11:02 AM
|
|
All Stars
12,851 posts Joined: May 2005 From: Puchong, Selangor
|
Here is the news :-
ASUS Responds Angrily To Gigabyte http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-giga...board,5403.html Asus is quite lame. They are denying but can't show proof to support themselves p/s I have to think twice for my next purchase. This post has been edited by WebWalker: May 17 2008, 11:10 AM |
|
|
May 17 2008, 11:09 AM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
QUOTE(WebWalker @ May 17 2008, 12:02 PM) Here is the news :- hm....... ASUS Responds Angrily To Gigabyte http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-giga...board,5403.html looks like a very weak respond, doesn't clarify anything wad so ever..........instead, it back fire.................. seams dat ASUS is in deeper shit after their respond..... This post has been edited by tech3910: May 17 2008, 11:10 AM |
|
|
May 17 2008, 11:14 AM
|
|
All Stars
12,851 posts Joined: May 2005 From: Puchong, Selangor
|
QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 17 2008, 11:09 AM) hm....... Only two ways Asus can respond :- looks like a very weak respond, doesn't clarify anything wad so ever..........instead, it back fire.................. seams dat ASUS is in deeper shit after their respond..... 1) Denying with proof and evidents. OR 2) Apology !!! (for overrated their product) This post has been edited by WebWalker: May 17 2008, 11:15 AM |
|
|
May 17 2008, 11:18 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,420 posts Joined: May 2008
|
OR
Free Motherboard !! OR Low price !! |
|
|
May 17 2008, 11:43 AM
|
|
Junior Member
165 posts Joined: Jan 2007
|
agreed
lower the price for upcoming Asus P45 Maximus II Formula!! |
|
|
May 17 2008, 12:24 PM
|
|
VIP
18,182 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: Dagobah
|
QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 17 2008, 11:09 AM) hm....... I second that... looks like a very weak respond, doesn't clarify anything wad so ever..........instead, it back fire.................. seams dat ASUS is in deeper shit after their respond..... After TweakTown... THG said they will conduct its own independent comparison of the ASUS P5K series and the Gigabyte EP35-DS3L. That would be interesting... |
|
|
May 17 2008, 12:26 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,420 posts Joined: May 2008
|
QUOTE(lex @ May 17 2008, 12:24 PM) I second that... Wow! This is going to be a great showdown..... After TweakTown... THG said they will conduct its own independent comparison of the ASUS P5K series and the Gigabyte EP35-DS3L. That would be interesting... |
|
|
May 17 2008, 12:28 PM
|
Senior Member
615 posts Joined: Jan 2008
|
asus really going overboard this time.if gigabyte was wrong,why didnt asus state which was the (or what was the) clarification.just bashing gigabyte like that for no apparent reason.Already their products are overpriced(i still cant belive the price for the p5kse @ rm 380 at my place) which made me choose the gigabyte ds3l which was priced at rm345
This post has been edited by area61: May 17 2008, 12:28 PM |
|
|
May 17 2008, 01:16 PM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
QUOTE(lex @ May 17 2008, 01:24 PM) I second that... i'm really looking 4ward 4 dat result.......... After TweakTown... THG said they will conduct its own independent comparison of the ASUS P5K series and the Gigabyte EP35-DS3L. That would be interesting... b sure 2 post the latest result here...... |
|
|
May 17 2008, 07:18 PM
|
|
Junior Member
85 posts Joined: Dec 2006
|
QUOTE(Titan_GigAs @ May 17 2008, 03:30 AM) ekhmm Asus DVDrom, Asus HSF, Asus Monitor.. i wonder who using them we are talking about mobo bro haiya why DFi no come out with DVD drive, CPU cooler and LCD wan .. haha sorry out of topic, we stick back to motherboard oni if other thingy like lcd, hsf, and dvd drive got weird socket sure i wont buy la ngehngehgneh |
|
|
May 17 2008, 07:24 PM
|
|
Staff
9,417 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Bladin Point, Northern Territory
|
I see a few b****es spamming instead of posting anything meaningful.
Shoo before i report your asses. |
|
|
May 17 2008, 07:53 PM
|
|
Junior Member
216 posts Joined: Mar 2005
|
QUOTE(NaGeNaZ @ May 17 2008, 03:48 AM) Do you run board above manufacturer specification or in short do you Overclock it kaw kaw? Because I have a 8 years old Asus Pentium 3 board which happen to running just fine. So 3 faulty board in 2 years is quite worrying situation. No overclocking, good psu's, no multiple drives, that's why i say they are getting worse. yea i had a P3 board from asus too, that is the past lol |
|
|
May 17 2008, 08:24 PM
|
Senior Member
1,955 posts Joined: Jan 2006 From: LlanfairÂpwllgwyngyllÂgogeryÂch
|
YAY, MUD! (DS3R not adhering to EMR emissions or something, blah)
YAY, DOUBLE MUD! (Asus' EPU not playing up to promises nor spec) YAY, TRIPLE MUD! (Both companies now struggling to get shills to post for them) Bull espionage and propaganda. My next board is basically a Foxxconn, despite their almost crazily ironic name- they are the only mobo manufacturer short of DFI that has PROPER afterlife support. |
|
|
May 17 2008, 08:29 PM
|
|
Senior Member
2,546 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: far far away...
|
MUD???? wut is that?
|
|
|
May 17 2008, 08:33 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,955 posts Joined: Jan 2006 From: LlanfairÂpwllgwyngyllÂgogeryÂch
|
MUD, the common relative of FUD.
Aka mud-slinging. This post has been edited by X.E.D: May 17 2008, 08:34 PM |
|
|
 May 17 2008, 09:09 PM
|
Senior Member
866 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: "Pak Pak Kangku Noh"
|
gigabyte support centre better compare to all mobo maker...easy to find driver..
|
|
|
May 17 2008, 09:09 PM
|
|
Staff
9,417 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Bladin Point, Northern Territory
|
QUOTE(empireretarded @ May 17 2008, 08:28 PM) And you're one of them! I've posted more than enough for the past 3 years.But it is unfortunate that newbies who think they have something to say have nothing to say at all. Bugger off before i file a duplicate account report to the mods. |
|
|
May 17 2008, 10:28 PM
|
Senior Member
924 posts Joined: Dec 2006 From: Kay Ell
|
hmmm..
i think it will effect the reseller who keep alot of asus mobo... bad~ |
|
|
May 17 2008, 10:28 PM
|
|
Staff
9,417 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Bladin Point, Northern Territory
|
QUOTE(empireretarded @ May 17 2008, 10:08 PM) You're one of them too when you was a newbie. So there's no need to flame or start new war here. You don't like it, you don't have to reply. Why must you call them b****es? You don't know how to mind your language. Language doesn't matter for one, it hasn't mattered. Btw, you're a senior so be nice and polite. Whether you post for 3 years or what, doesn't mean you can be rude. A post with no value/spam is one with no value/spam, one calls it what it is. One also calls post count whores, post count whores. I don't think it gets any simpler than that. No no. Whether i've posted for 3 years or not doesn't mean i can be rude. I've always been rude you dipshit. 99 percent here can't even make sense of the charts Gigabyte is producing, let alone maintain anything above the standard of "OMG OMG OMG, THEY HAS CHEATED US!" or "WHAT LAH I USE THIS MOBO IS OK ONE!" |
|
|
May 17 2008, 11:46 PM
|
|
Senior Member
2,546 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: far far away...
|
war of the world lol
|
|
|
May 18 2008, 02:40 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,885 posts Joined: Jan 2007
|
QUOTE(nelienuxe_sara @ May 17 2008, 11:46 PM) war of the world lol their wars....our peaceful (i mean ASUS vs Gigabyte)This post has been edited by PGV3910: May 18 2008, 02:41 AM |
|
|
May 18 2008, 03:17 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,546 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: far far away...
|
nah i mean bout the forumers ^^
|
|
|
May 18 2008, 03:20 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,885 posts Joined: Jan 2007
|
QUOTE(nelienuxe_sara @ May 18 2008, 03:17 AM) nah i mean bout the forumers ^^ hehe..sedangkan lidah lagikan tergigit..inikan antara kita kengkawan..chill up guys..  no war dude..enough Asus vs Gigabyte lor.. we must be happy happy joy joy LOL |
|
|
May 18 2008, 05:42 AM
|
Senior Member
707 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: Island of Borneo
|
gaygaybyte is so desperate to turn to this type of counter attack.. ekekeke
asus is still in my heart~ |
|
|
May 18 2008, 11:17 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,420 posts Joined: May 2008
|
Still no responds by Asus so far, they give up dee ar?
|
|
|
May 18 2008, 01:32 PM
|
VIP
23,414 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Taipei
|
Empy.. dun bother lar. Already 9page + 1post (mine) of spam
|
|
|
May 18 2008, 01:45 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,070 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Ipoh
|
QUOTE(X.E.D @ May 17 2008, 08:24 PM) YAY, MUD! (DS3R not adhering to EMR emissions or something, blah) its good that they blame each other. or else we never knew that they have cheated us YAY, DOUBLE MUD! (Asus' EPU not playing up to promises nor spec) YAY, TRIPLE MUD! (Both companies now struggling to get shills to post for them) Bull espionage and propaganda. My next board is basically a Foxxconn, despite their almost crazily ironic name- they are the only mobo manufacturer short of DFI that has PROPER afterlife support. . like someone said before 'their fight, our gain'. so change to brand would solve consumer problem in my case, MARS |
|
|
May 18 2008, 02:09 PM
|
Senior Member
4,237 posts Joined: Sep 2006
|
ahahha! so which one is a good one now i am 100 % trusting Gigabyte Foxconn but i sure go for foxconn ! because my previous P4 with ASUS board died !
|
|
|
May 18 2008, 02:13 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,420 posts Joined: May 2008
|
QUOTE(johnkor @ May 18 2008, 02:09 PM) ahahha! so which one is a good one now i am 100 % trusting Gigabyte Foxconn but i sure go for foxconn ! because my previous P4 with ASUS board died ! Gigabyte Foxconn? |
|
|
May 18 2008, 02:22 PM
|
Senior Member
1,298 posts Joined: Aug 2006
|
Im waiting price drop for Asus 1st..then other company will follow up for catch up their customers..at the end, all motherboard drop $..Consumer like us will be benefits.. !! yeah !
|
|
|
May 18 2008, 04:01 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,304 posts Joined: Nov 2005 From: A place
|
QUOTE(Tanakwagu_noh @ May 17 2008, 09:09 PM) gigabyte support centre better compare to all mobo maker...easy to find driver.. bro do u ever go asus suport center and c? lol its much easy and informative leh....... anyway even asus lie but wat to do.... some of the ppl like me only Buy design and brand dun care wat chart or value it hav eye candy enough d haha...... |
|
|
May 18 2008, 04:18 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,070 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Ipoh
|
QUOTE(Mr.Lonely @ May 18 2008, 04:01 PM) bro do u ever go asus suport center and c? lol its much easy and informative leh....... i do agree. most people only attract to design rather than performance. sometime better hardware without great design and features mostly to be ignored by consumer. that is part of marketing strategies and it works anyway even asus lie but wat to do.... some of the ppl like me only Buy design and brand dun care wat chart or value it hav eye candy enough d haha...... |
|
|
May 18 2008, 05:28 PM
|
|
Junior Member
397 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Kuala Lumpur
|
Asus replies!
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-giga...board,5403.html http://www.tomsguide.com/us/motherboard-Gi...,news-1382.html tho its more of an "I'll sue all of you!" move... This post has been edited by 00007kel: May 18 2008, 05:28 PM |
|
|
May 18 2008, 06:56 PM
|
Senior Member
990 posts Joined: Sep 2005 From: Bolehland
|
QUOTE(herojack41 @ May 15 2008, 08:19 PM) haiya...u guys...really trust gaygaybyte said thing a?this little bit rumour.....cannot defeat asus...as im using asus motherboard P4P800SE over 5 years......and processor at 70Celcius...i dun even have a capacitor kaboom...and still run rocks on my rig until now Mine did blow out after 4 1/2 years, taking the PSU and CPU with it. Not sure about the cause though, anyway it was a good board at that time.I don't really care anyways, but I never considered Asus's P35 after reading reviews on them drawing more power than Abit's and Gigabyte's before EPU came out. Their press statement does little more than to make people more suspicious about their P5K EPU boards. |
|
|
May 18 2008, 07:58 PM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ May 18 2008, 07:56 PM) Mine did blow out after 4 1/2 years, taking the PSU and CPU with it. Not sure about the cause though, anyway it was a good board at that time. dude, 4.5 years is very long already lo.................I don't really care anyways, but I never considered Asus's P35 after reading reviews on them drawing more power than Abit's and Gigabyte's before EPU came out. Their press statement does little more than to make people more suspicious about their P5K EPU boards. consider as durable la............. no pc last 4rever la. i think i wanna buy n ASUS board now 4 testing.......... |
|
|
May 18 2008, 08:19 PM
|
Junior Member
26 posts Joined: Apr 2008 From: Shah Alam
|
no need headbashing's now, it is all up to your personal preference, you want to buy gigabyte, fine, buy asus, fine, don't buy anything at all also fine. it is not our problem as we were not paid to 'belasah' each other. come on lah, it is not even malaysia product, nor will it hurt our pride. so let them settle it nicely, and in the end we got better products.
|
|
|
May 18 2008, 08:38 PM
|
Junior Member
237 posts Joined: Mar 2007 From: primordial soup
|
QUOTE(acerdawn @ May 18 2008, 08:19 PM) no need headbashing's now, it is all up to your personal preference, you want to buy gigabyte, fine, buy asus, fine, don't buy anything at all also fine. it is not our problem as we were not paid to 'belasah' each other. come on lah, it is not even malaysia product, nor will it hurt our pride. so let them settle it nicely, and in the end we got better products. well said... seconded. |
|
|
May 22 2008, 10:33 AM
|
|
All Stars
12,851 posts Joined: May 2005 From: Puchong, Selangor
|
Here is the news :-
Gigabyte's Official Response To Asus http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-giga...board,5442.html |
|
|
May 22 2008, 10:42 AM
|
Senior Member
2,162 posts Joined: Sep 2004
|
QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ May 18 2008, 06:56 PM) Mine did blow out after 4 1/2 years, taking the PSU and CPU with it. Not sure about the cause though, anyway it was a good board at that time. I think the PSU that are taking the CPU and MOBO with it I don't really care anyways, but I never considered Asus's P35 after reading reviews on them drawing more power than Abit's and Gigabyte's before EPU came out. Their press statement does little more than to make people more suspicious about their P5K EPU boards. . Most of the time, if your PSU dying, it will affect other hardware but when your mobo is dying, it won't kill the PSU |
|
|
May 22 2008, 11:27 AM
|
Senior Member
3,112 posts Joined: Jul 2006
|
just changing my blown KZG 470uf cap on my ASUS P5ND2-SLI mobo...ASUS go to hell...
|
|
|
May 22 2008, 11:52 AM
|
Senior Member
4,189 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Age Quod Agis 
|
how do identify solid cap made of Japan ?
|
|
|
May 22 2008, 12:45 PM
|
|
Elite
6,139 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
QUOTE(yangxi @ May 22 2008, 11:52 AM) how do identify solid cap made of Japan ? i know red label solid caps with 'F' word are made by fujitsu and os-con should look like below..  and chemi-con should look like below..  This post has been edited by jinaun: May 22 2008, 01:13 PM |
|
|
May 22 2008, 08:30 PM
|
|
Junior Member
318 posts Joined: Oct 2004 From: Pat Ta Ling Ja Yaa..
|
QUOTE(WebWalker @ May 22 2008, 10:33 AM) Here is the news :- Things seem like getting more interesting..gigabyte standing firm with their claim Gigabyte's Official Response To Asus http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-giga...board,5442.html but im still bored with Asus, their responds so weak.. QUOTE(jinaun @ May 22 2008, 12:45 PM) i know red label solid caps with 'F' word are made by fujitsu » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « wow u really studied on solid caps.. how to identify a lauya solid caps? |
|
|
May 22 2008, 09:25 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,352 posts Joined: Jun 2007
|
owh, now only i see this issue. looks like ASUS is deep in hot water...
we as consumers no need to fight each other for this kind of matter la. just wait for the final result. |
|
|
May 22 2008, 09:30 PM
|
|
Elite
6,139 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
QUOTE(Titan_GigAs @ May 22 2008, 08:30 PM) wow u really studied on solid caps.. lauya solid caps is whatever is not in that list lor... how to identify a lauya solid caps? unless some1 can furnish me with more of high quality jap caps.. |
|
|
May 22 2008, 09:43 PM
|
|
Senior Member
4,189 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Age Quod Agis
|
|
|
|
May 23 2008, 12:18 AM
|
|
VIP
18,182 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: Dagobah
|
QUOTE(jinaun @ May 22 2008, 09:30 PM) unless some1 can furnish me with more of high quality jap caps.. Other high quality Japan capacitors are Rubycon, Nichicon, Sanyo (OS-CON) and Panasonic. For more information in English, try the following sites.... Badcaps.net CapsMod Forum Capacitor Lab Bad Capacitor Information on Lowyat.net This post has been edited by lex: May 23 2008, 12:27 AM |
|
|
May 23 2008, 12:40 AM
|
Senior Member
2,516 posts Joined: Feb 2007 From: Uarla Umpur
|
QUOTE(lex @ May 23 2008, 12:18 AM) Other high quality Japan capacitors are Rubycon, Nichicon, Sanyo (OS-CON) and Panasonic. so with this.. it means gigabyte was right about asus con-jobbing us all ? and using ahbeng's capacitor ? For more information in English, try the following sites.... Badcaps.net CapsMod Forum Capacitor Lab Bad Capacitor Information on Lowyat.net |
|
|
May 23 2008, 12:45 AM
|
Elite
6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
no gay gay byte is talking crap
the phases work.. i have never seen the pwm's go more than 35C...which is fantastic.. oh yeah u guys should also see the driver xpert.. awesome benchies getting on it dont see gaygaybyte having those... kekeke This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 23 2008, 12:47 AM |
|
|
May 23 2008, 01:20 AM
|
|
VIP
18,182 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: Dagobah
|
QUOTE(JinXXX @ May 23 2008, 12:40 AM) so with this.. it means gigabyte was right about asus con-jobbing us all ? and using ahbeng's capacitor ? It doesn't imply that.. Its just information regarding bad capacitor plague and issues. All brands (some time ago) have some motherboards with bad caps, GigaByte is no exception. The most famous one that got attention was the ABit class action lawsuit. MSI also got hit with lawsuits... From that day on, top manufacturers started using back Japanese capacitors.. However beware that most budget board makers are not following their footsteps. @cstkl1, speak Engrish pleaze... This post has been edited by lex: May 23 2008, 01:21 AM |
|
|
May 24 2008, 02:43 PM
|
Senior Member
1,177 posts Joined: Apr 2005 From: Sg petani Kedah
|
But the fact is Asus is somehow not responding to the question thrown at them. This seems very fishy.
But if it is true, we are all getting rip off. We are paying premium price for asus products. Its like buying a Mercedes but putting in a Proton engine. Off course the car works prefectly but we are expecting top class for that money. It is same with Asus. |
|
|
May 25 2008, 12:06 AM
|
Senior Member
2,221 posts Joined: Feb 2006
|
So till now Asus still didn't give any relevant respond and clarifying?
|
|
|
May 25 2008, 12:33 AM
|
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
Asus sues Gigabyte for 'defamatory acts'
QUOTE The battle of the Taiwan titans rages on but this time, the stakes have been raised as, after a little PR rumble, Asus has announced that it has sued Gigabyte for defamatory acts. It all started with Gigabyte holding a press event in which it made claims and showcased results regarding Asus' energy saving technology centered around the Energy Processing Unit or EPU. Asus responded to Gigabyte's event through a press release last week and today it upped the ante with a new release which reads: ASUS condemns the defamatory and false accusations raised by our competitor, Gigabyte. Gigabyte, without a full understanding of ASUS' engineering design and methods, has made false accusations against ASUS motherboards' EPU features and the quality of ASUS' motherboards' components. Also, in a press briefing presentation, Gigabyte used a photograph with blown-up (exploded) capacitors and led the audience to believe it was an ASUS product, to support its false allegations that ASUS uses questionable quality components. However, the image was found to be taken from a photograph of a VGA card manufactured by another vendor. The action of misrepresenting a third party product to be an ASUS product is truly defamatory and clearly outside the realm of decent competition. ASUS takes pride in its innovations, which are measured against the highest standards in the industry at all stages of operation - from project development, engineering, manufacturing to service. Through a combination of the best quality-controlled components and processes, ASUS delivers state-of-the art technology breakthroughs to meet customers´ needs. Every breakthrough is the result of huge R&D engineering efforts. Hence, while it is common to have competition among companies, the use of the above mentioned methods are defamatory and condemnable. ASUS deeply resents Gigabyte's action. Long story short, Asus has thus decided to report Gigabyte to the Fair Trade Commission of Taiwan and has filed a lawsuit against its competitor. Gigabyte's has yet to respond to the lawsuit. |
|
|
May 25 2008, 02:17 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,352 posts Joined: Jun 2007
|
THIS MEANS WAR!!!
This issue is getting more and more interesting. I'm sure the loser's reputation will go down the drain... |
|
|
May 25 2008, 02:59 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,659 posts Joined: Sep 2006 From: Miri, PJ & KL
|
DFI and MSI must be very happy that the can watch by the sidelines.
|
|
|
May 25 2008, 06:45 AM
|
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
^lol
Biostar even happier..lol |
|
|
May 25 2008, 08:44 AM
|
Junior Member
380 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: Malacca
|
that apply to abit too!! yay....
|
|
|
May 25 2008, 08:44 AM
|
Senior Member
905 posts Joined: Aug 2006
|
Looks like the gloves are off and now the fights gone to the lawyers....should be more fireworks......haiz, why dun they just working harder on being innovative instead of just being bitter about the competitors products, its a waste of time and money.
Give a guy money and power and he becomes a little kid again... |
|
|
May 25 2008, 09:26 AM
|
Senior Member
3,761 posts Joined: Oct 2005
|
If Gigabyte wins this battle, it's gone case for ASUS as people including me will never buy an ASUS MOBO ever again.
|
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:31 AM
|
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
QUOTE(Thrust @ May 25 2008, 09:26 AM) If Gigabyte wins this battle, it's gone case for ASUS as people including me will never buy an ASUS MOBO ever again. that is why assus need to play fierce(law) and safe(not to disclose their weakness) at the same time.i do think gaygaybyte is right about their fact, because if their fact is wrong, assus will bring out their concrete evidence against them, and bring gaygaybyte to the corner of the world. let see how gaygaybyte response to assus lawsuit |
|
|
May 25 2008, 07:32 PM
|
|
Senior Member
4,237 posts Joined: Sep 2006
|
Thrust pikacu yeah ! it's gone case for ASUS as people including me will never buy an ASUS MOBO ever again. ! capiche that goes to ASrock , foxconn, and VIA as well!
!This post has been edited by johnkor: May 25 2008, 07:34 PM |
|
|
May 25 2008, 07:46 PM
|
Senior Member
1,802 posts Joined: May 2006
|
yeap if gigabyte win this lawsuit the asus reputation will go down the drain
|
|
|
May 25 2008, 07:53 PM
|
Junior Member
168 posts Joined: Mar 2007 From: Mersing, Johor
|
All the while i saw that Asus is cheaper than Gigabyte..
maybe.....coz of the quality. well, personally Gigabyte rocks... |
|
|
May 25 2008, 08:56 PM
|
Senior Member
9,027 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Ipoh
|
QUOTE(luqe @ May 25 2008, 07:53 PM) All the while i saw that Asus is cheaper than Gigabyte.. Are you sure?maybe.....coz of the quality. well, personally Gigabyte rocks... Asus cheaper than Gaygaybyte? To me, Asus always selling at premium price compared to other brands. |
|
|
May 25 2008, 09:52 PM
|
All Stars
19,042 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Soleanna
|
QUOTE(allenultra @ May 25 2008, 08:56 PM) Are you sure? most exspensive asus board i think rm 2k +Asus cheaper than Gaygaybyte? To me, Asus always selling at premium price compared to other brands. |
|
|
May 25 2008, 10:32 PM
|
|
All Stars
10,596 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Hinamizawa
|
QUOTE(luqe @ May 25 2008, 07:53 PM) All the while i saw that Asus is cheaper than Gigabyte.. can you specify which Asus model is it?maybe.....coz of the quality. well, personally Gigabyte rocks... |
|
|
May 25 2008, 10:39 PM
|
|
Senior Member
905 posts Joined: Aug 2006
|
Asus premier range of mobo's such as the Republic of Gamers series is considered top of the line and more expense...dont think Gigabyte has that kinda marketing gimic at the moment....hahaha..
|
|
|
May 25 2008, 10:43 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,282 posts Joined: Dec 2004 From: penang
|
QUOTE(pikacu @ May 25 2008, 12:33 AM) Asus sues Gigabyte for 'defamatory acts' i feel like asus is talking like an unmatured child don't simply blame what other company said is wrong or false or misunderstand or don't understand.. if that is false.. then show the proofs to prove what the gigagbyte said is wrong..... what i need is proof.. not just statement |
|
|
May 25 2008, 10:47 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,191 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: Penang
|
QUOTE(gstoh @ May 25 2008, 10:43 PM) i feel like asus is talking like an unmatured child You would do the same thing if you were Asus don't simply blame what other company said is wrong or false or misunderstand or don't understand.. if that is false.. then show the proofs to prove what the gigagbyte said is wrong..... what i need is proof.. not just statement |
|
|
May 25 2008, 10:54 PM
|
Senior Member
762 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Kota Kinabalu, Country of North Borneo.
|
Field day for both camp fanboys hahahaha.
|
|
|
May 25 2008, 10:56 PM
|
|
All Stars
10,596 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Hinamizawa
|
QUOTE(itanium @ May 25 2008, 10:54 PM) Field day for both camp fanboys hahahaha. is there any Gigabyte fans here in lowyat ? |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:04 PM
|
|
Elite
6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
dont personally hate gays
but that wont stop me from shooting a bazooka at them if its in my hands in a third world country with no laws when i see them humping each other.. same goes for gaygaybyte lovers or so.. but personally dislike their fae.. heck do u guys even understand whats going on.. which i think 99 percent of the ppl here has no clue what the topic or the arguement on gigabyte and asus was.. it has nothing to do with the performance which is all fabricated and depends on bioses. early revision of software etc.. Added on May 25, 2008, 11:08 pmwait for the p5q review and unit to come out once the nda is lifted.. i can tell u this unlike gaygaybyte previous fake pwm and virtual phase etc.. the p5q voltages are awesome with errors of +-0.005-0.001v only and the EPU 6 engine works.. tested.. retested.. its simply awesome.. even the ai suite now is awesome for noobie overclocking and the best is yet to come.. only flaw currently is the p5q's dont clock duallies that well yet.. with the early bioses..but clocks the quaddies easily to 490-510 fsb.. This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 25 2008, 11:08 PM |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:08 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,282 posts Joined: Dec 2004 From: penang
|
QUOTE(Thunderbolt @ May 25 2008, 10:47 PM) You would do the same thing if you were Asus hehe... nope.. i will rather to be quiet and don't make fuss about this, if i were the loser from the action taken by Asus, it seems that Asus is the loser, and what gigabyte claimed is true . Asus make this issue become more and more popular and more people know about it, but Asus unable to produce the fact or proof to claim gigabyte was wrong.. it seems that Asus just hurt its own reputation more than it hurt gigabyte's |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:13 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,191 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: Penang
|
QUOTE(gstoh @ May 25 2008, 11:08 PM) hehe... nope.. Your input speaks a million word for Gaygabyte i will rather to be quiet and don't make fuss about this, if i were the loser from the action taken by Asus, it seems that Asus is the loser, and what gigabyte claimed is true . Asus make this issue become more and more popular and more people know about it, but Asus unable to produce the fact or proof to claim gigabyte was wrong.. it seems that Asus just hurt its own reputation more than it hurt gigabyte's |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:16 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,282 posts Joined: Dec 2004 From: penang
|
QUOTE(Thunderbolt @ May 25 2008, 11:13 PM) Your input speaks a million word for Gaygabyte I don's mean that I am just at neutral point and that is 3rd person's point of view I would say that because Asus unable to produce solid fact, without solid fact, no matter how the people say, i still will not 100% believe. |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:17 PM
|
|
Elite
6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
QUOTE(gstoh @ May 25 2008, 11:08 PM) hehe... nope.. dude i can tell u this i will rather to be quiet and don't make fuss about this, if i were the loser from the action taken by Asus, it seems that Asus is the loser, and what gigabyte claimed is true . Asus make this issue become more and more popular and more people know about it, but Asus unable to produce the fact or proof to claim gigabyte was wrong.. it seems that Asus just hurt its own reputation more than it hurt gigabyte's gaygaybyte lost their minds and ure the same do u know what this law suite is about or even what gaygaybyte claims are the problem is again IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PERFORMANCE.. hint hint.. |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:19 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,282 posts Joined: Dec 2004 From: penang
|
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ May 25 2008, 11:17 PM) dude i can tell u this performance of what ? "performance" this word covers a lot of things.. gaygaybyte lost their minds and ure the same do u know what this law suite is about or even what gaygaybyte claims are the problem is again IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PERFORMANCE.. hint hint.. can you specify ? |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:21 PM
|
|
Elite
6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
QUOTE(gstoh @ May 25 2008, 11:19 PM) performance of what ? "performance" this word covers a lot of things.. haiyo..can you specify ? ok lets see what do u understand from this whole debacle what was the argument about.. share with us.. y did gaygaybyte threw a fit.. and acted all b****y like by influencing editors/reviewers.. This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 25 2008, 11:21 PM |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:26 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,282 posts Joined: Dec 2004 From: penang
|
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ May 25 2008, 11:21 PM) haiyo.. hmm from what i know , ok lets see what do u understand from this whole debacle what was the argument about.. share with us.. y did gaygaybyte threw a fit.. and acted all b****y like by influencing editors/reviewers.. gigabyte is trying to say that its own mobo has better energy efficiency? and gigabyte also said that asus lied people because asus mobo does not perform good energy eficiency as it advertised ?and somemore about the capacitors used by asus are not the same as asus claimed? then is time to tell me... what do you mean by the "performance" ? lawsuit ? what is it about? |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:31 PM
|
|
Elite
6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
QUOTE(gstoh @ May 25 2008, 11:26 PM) hmm from what i know , hence performance of their DES vs EPUgigabyte is trying to say that its own mobo has better energy efficiency? and gigabyte also said that asus lied people because asus mobo does not perform good energy eficiency as it advertised ?and somemore about the capacitors used by asus are not the same as asus claimed? then is time to tell me... what do you mean by the "performance" ? lawsuit ? what is it about? which i already told u this b**** fit by gaygaybyte has nothing to do with that.. also its already EPU6 engine now.. which i can tell is awesome compared to the DES since i have a p45 from both makers .. asus two boards actually so y not try to understand whats going on.. use that cerebrum a bit more.. stress it with prime95.. PS asus has never claimed using japanese caps.. this was even true for all the ROG boards.. which we already knew last time hence y some modders were changing themselves Added on May 25, 2008, 11:33 pmheck extra afaik both of them dont use only abit and dfi.. and certain biostar mobos This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 25 2008, 11:33 PM |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:37 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,214 posts Joined: Oct 2006 From: Malaysia (Sarawak)
|
LOL.
i don't really care much about quality between gigabyte and ASUS. I must admit, gigabyte mobo quality is greater than asus. But wth, i would buy ASUS mobo because they deliver excellent out of the box performance and overclocking capabiltiy. This post has been edited by campsol2k: May 25 2008, 11:38 PM |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:38 PM
|
|
All Stars
10,596 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Hinamizawa
|
I think Gigabyte know it will come down to this, so Gigabyte must have compile all the evidence to show it in courts anytime soon.Hope the case will clear all doubt .
|
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:39 PM
|
|
Elite
6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
QUOTE(campsol2k @ May 25 2008, 11:37 PM) LOL. again this argument is not about performancei don't really care much about quality between gigabyte and ASUS. I must admit, gigabyte mobo quality is greater than asus. But wth, i would buy ASUS mobo because of they deliver excellent out of the box performance and overclocking capabiltiy. i can always give u the cstkl1 prime2008 hardware to stress ure cerebrum hint it involves a hammer..... and ure skull.. hint hint This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 25 2008, 11:40 PM |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:44 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,214 posts Joined: Oct 2006 From: Malaysia (Sarawak)
|
LOL. I know. Don't be so serious about it.
This post has been edited by campsol2k: May 25 2008, 11:44 PM |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:46 PM
|
|
All Stars
10,596 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Hinamizawa
|
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ May 25 2008, 11:39 PM) again this argument is not about performance you have proof that Gigabyte tell lies?i can always give u the cstkl1 prime2008 hardware to stress ure cerebrum hint it involves a hammer..... and ure skull.. hint hint |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:48 PM
|
|
Elite
6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
QUOTE(jasonkwk @ May 25 2008, 11:46 PM) you have proof that Gigabyte tell lies? no dude u guys dont understandit has nothing to do with EPU and DES performance.. heck u should see EPU6.. it works and is awesome.. wait for the reviews after NDA.. Added on May 25, 2008, 11:49 pmare u guys in preschool or what?? cause if u guys cant understand this simple debate.. heck.. no future for u guys for the working world.. hint hardwork doesnt pay the bills my friend hint hint. This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 25 2008, 11:49 PM |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:54 PM
|
|
All Stars
10,596 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Hinamizawa
|
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ May 25 2008, 11:48 PM) no dude u guys dont understand no one said it has do with EPU and DES performance, you are the one who are saying it.it has nothing to do with EPU and DES performance.. heck u should see EPU6.. it works and is awesome.. wait for the reviews after NDA.. Added on May 25, 2008, 11:49 pmare u guys in preschool or what?? cause if u guys cant understand this simple debate.. heck.. no future for u guys for the working world.. hint hardwork doesnt pay the bills my friend hint hint. I dont really care what EPU6 does.... it is what Gigabyte claimed that Asus EPU does not performed as mentioned in the advertisement. |
|
|
May 25 2008, 11:55 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,282 posts Joined: Dec 2004 From: penang
|
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ May 25 2008, 11:31 PM) hence performance of their DES vs EPU i see i seewhich i already told u this b**** fit by gaygaybyte has nothing to do with that.. also its already EPU6 engine now.. which i can tell is awesome compared to the DES since i have a p45 from both makers .. asus two boards actually so y not try to understand whats going on.. use that cerebrum a bit more.. stress it with prime95.. PS asus has never claimed using japanese caps.. this was even true for all the ROG boards.. which we already knew last time hence y some modders were changing themselves Added on May 25, 2008, 11:33 pmheck extra afaik both of them dont use only abit and dfi.. and certain biostar mobos EPU6 ? new EPU from asus ? hmm.... how can you compare a new tech with older generation tech? whatever, that is just my point of view let's just see how Asus Gigabyte war ends |
|
|
May 26 2008, 01:13 AM
|
|
Elite
6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
QUOTE(jasonkwk @ May 25 2008, 11:54 PM) no one said it has do with EPU and DES performance, you are the one who are saying it. this one need primewawasan 2020 ledgehammer editionI dont really care what EPU6 does.... it is what Gigabyte claimed that Asus EPU does not performed as mentioned in the advertisement. then what epu vs gigabyte ceo ass?? it does as it performs.. make that ignorance aint bliss QUOTE it is what Gigabyte claimed that Asus EPU does not performed as mentioned in the advertisement. what is this.. again i repeat THIS DEBATE AINT ABOUT EPU VS DES. performance or even EPU performance and U PPL ARE THE ONE who are publicing it .. HENCE U JUST SAID IT with the quote above and y i keep tellng u guys this aint a performance debate.. u will see it when the NDA is lifted... and u will see how gaygaybyte will lose in that suit.. and it has nothing to do with the EPU vs DES performance one credit i give them.. they understand masses are idiots. This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 26 2008, 01:19 AM |
|
|
May 26 2008, 03:07 PM
|
|
VIP
18,182 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: Dagobah
|
Why keep mentioning about unreleased "EPU6". Its gonna be about the current generations ones, the current EPU vs DES, which GigaByte pointed out..
Both TechReport and Tweaktown shows ASUS boards consume more power than GigaByte (and ABit). Lemme see... 2 different reviews can't be wrong, right? This post has been edited by lex: May 26 2008, 03:11 PM |
|
|
May 26 2008, 03:27 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,214 posts Joined: Oct 2006 From: Malaysia (Sarawak)
|
U keep saying THIS DEBATE AINT ABOUT EPU VS DES/PERFORMANCE..Bla bla.. What is it about anyway? Enlighten US ALL..... (with your super duper stress prime95/prime2008/prime wawasan 2020 ledgehammer penetrating our skull to the cerebrum cortex ..i guess ..LOL
)This post has been edited by campsol2k: May 26 2008, 03:41 PM |
|
|
May 26 2008, 05:22 PM
|
Senior Member
3,902 posts Joined: Jul 2005 From: Sin Lor, B'worth,Pg.
|
maybe what he is saying
that the incident where a webbie editor attend the gigabyte new launch of something then halfway the said editor ran of with in a cabbie straight to :gasp: asus headquarters with gigabytes' data so this is sorta like a payback more like damage control by defaming others disclaimer...: I just guess this scenario with the info i get from the general public places. In no way i am sure of what i said is to be the absolute truth. This is just my own assumption |
|
|
May 26 2008, 06:25 PM
|
|
Senior Member
2,221 posts Joined: Feb 2006
|
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ May 25 2008, 11:31 PM) hence performance of their DES vs EPU So Asus no probelm right?Plz tell me.. which i already told u this b**** fit by gaygaybyte has nothing to do with that.. also its already EPU6 engine now.. which i can tell is awesome compared to the DES since i have a p45 from both makers .. asus two boards actually so y not try to understand whats going on.. use that cerebrum a bit more.. stress it with prime95.. PS asus has never claimed using japanese caps.. this was even true for all the ROG boards.. which we already knew last time hence y some modders were changing themselves Added on May 25, 2008, 11:33 pmheck extra afaik both of them dont use only abit and dfi.. and certain biostar mobos |
|
|
May 26 2008, 06:50 PM
|
|
Elite
6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
QUOTE(minghao @ May 26 2008, 06:25 PM) So Asus no probelm right?Plz tell me.. all the boards are good.. pros and cons.. just that asus has better support from intel the gigaybyte also are good .. as i said i just dont like their fae after numerous useless phone calls to them last time infact for p45's please do look at other manufactorers.. biostar and msi has come up with some interesting boards also.. which my grubby fingers wants them |
|
|
May 26 2008, 08:41 PM
|
|
Junior Member
165 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Everywhere....
|
hahaha, i was laughing when i was reading through this thread.
some of u guys fighting like "u r the vendors", and just giving remark: die asus, gaygaybyte, etc. defect item is quite normal. do u guys really think they can make sure every component are working in every mobo they produce/sell? (good/bad RMA service, that is another story) Capacitor case: well, true enough ASUS didn't use Japanese caps (pic on the TS link tom's article). It is Taiwanese caps, APAQ tech co. It has been mention in previous post that, ASUS never said their caps was Japanese (can be found on their website - 100% All High-quality Conductive Polymer Capacitors). however, i don't know how good APAQ's caps are. my mobo use caps which made by fujitsu and APAQ. (unless they cheat the label )here a links where u can identify with ur mobo's caps brand (in Japanese) http://capacitor.web.fc2.com/solidcapacitor.html EPU case: since, i'm not interested on it (my mobo doesn't even have that). but so far i can see that DES is better than EPU. and in P5K SE/EPU case i simply don't know what to comment. Other things: from the article, gigabyte only did the test on Asus P5K SE/EPU mobo. does it mean everything they made are bad? and all gigabyte product are good? sure not rite? every time, i want to buy pc component, i already have a mind set that that item maybe have some defect, and RMA will took at least a month. so, i would not be so frustrated to send it back for RMA. that is the reality so far. well, just my opinion though. and i'm not ASUS fanboy btw. I use 5 ABIT mobo before this one. This post has been edited by azmie_83: May 26 2008, 09:16 PM |
|
|
May 26 2008, 11:39 PM
|
|
Senior Member
2,605 posts Joined: Jan 2006 From: A Place Between Heaven & Hell
|
QUOTE(lex @ May 26 2008, 04:07 PM) Why keep mentioning about unreleased "EPU6". Its gonna be about the current generations ones, the current EPU vs DES, which GigaByte pointed out.. I'm juz curious most of ppl buy a good main reason izzt really for power saving? i'm sure ppl still demand for better performance, better overclockable & better stabilities more than power effiencies. Both TechReport and Tweaktown shows ASUS boards consume more power than GigaByte (and ABit). Lemme see... 2 different reviews can't be wrong, right? |
|
|
May 26 2008, 11:57 PM
|
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
QUOTE(zeustronic @ May 26 2008, 11:39 PM) I'm juz curious most of ppl buy a good main reason izzt really for power saving? i'm sure ppl still demand for better performance, better overclockable & better stabilities more than power effiencies. There is two common type computer user (from my personal opinion)1) Idle (Torrent, Download, Chatting, /b/, etc..) 2) Active (Gaming,OCer,3d Renderer, etc..) For user type 1) , they would go for power efficiencies motherboard. For user type 2) , ...go figure |
|
|
May 27 2008, 12:01 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,743 posts Joined: Jul 2006 From: Shah Alam
|
QUOTE(pikacu @ May 26 2008, 11:57 PM) There is two common type computer user (from my personal opinion) type 2 nvr care bout bills kot..jk 1) Idle (Torrent, Download, Chatting, /b/, etc..) 2) Active (Gaming,OCer,3d Renderer, etc..) For user type 1) , they would go for power efficiencies motherboard. For user type 2) , ...go figure |
|
|
May 27 2008, 12:14 AM
|
Senior Member
2,459 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Land Below the Wind
|
i am a 1 and 2 type...gaming during daylight n torent at nite.
|
|
|
May 27 2008, 07:28 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,605 posts Joined: Jan 2006 From: A Place Between Heaven & Hell
|
QUOTE(pikacu @ May 27 2008, 12:57 AM) There is two common type computer user (from my personal opinion) 1) Idle (Torrent, Download, Chatting, /b/, etc..) 2) Active (Gaming,OCer,3d Renderer, etc..) For user type 1) , they would go for power efficiencies motherboard. For user type 2) , ...go figure QUOTE(Terence573 @ May 27 2008, 01:14 AM) i am a 1 and 2 type...gaming during daylight n torent at nite. having a 8800GT & HD3870 is already in type 2 . |
|
|
May 27 2008, 12:54 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,930 posts Joined: Aug 2005 From: o( *ﾟｰﾟ)┘miao^miao Status: Perm Banana
|
srsly, would u care bout tat small current eaten by your hardcore rig, or your aircond in your gaming room???
|
|
|
May 27 2008, 03:07 PM
|
|
All Stars
19,042 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Soleanna
|
QUOTE(pikacu @ May 26 2008, 11:57 PM) There is two common type computer user (from my personal opinion) i belong to category 1 .. but then again i orefer high specs to g with it ... haha . 1) Idle (Torrent, Download, Chatting, /b/, etc..) 2) Active (Gaming,OCer,3d Renderer, etc..) For user type 1) , they would go for power efficiencies motherboard. For user type 2) , ...go figure |
|
|
May 27 2008, 04:05 PM
|
Senior Member
2,042 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: KL
|
ASUS always overpriced. Thats it, if mainstream user better stick to other brand.
|
|
|
May 27 2008, 05:34 PM
|
|
Newbie
3 posts Joined: May 2008
|
I do not care about the EPU or DES, but if Gigabyte would let people to believe the test results he shows, they need to duplicate the exact same environment.
He use his high end P35 vs ASUS P5K SE, what does he want to show? His high end board in P35 series is better than ASUS's low end in P35 series? what about P45? Expecting ASUS P5Q |
|
|
May 27 2008, 06:17 PM
|
|
All Stars
12,851 posts Joined: May 2005 From: Puchong, Selangor
|
QUOTE(means @ May 27 2008, 05:34 PM) I do not care about the EPU or DES, but if Gigabyte would let people to believe the test results he shows, they need to duplicate the exact same environment. If you read the article, it is not much on comparison.He use his high end P35 vs ASUS P5K SE, what does he want to show? His high end board in P35 series is better than ASUS's low end in P35 series? what about P45? Expecting ASUS P5Q It is much on the false statement (advertisement) that Asus made on their product. |
|
|
May 28 2008, 12:35 AM
|
|
Senior Member
4,237 posts Joined: Sep 2006
|
STOP.....................GAME .......ON !
|
|
|
May 28 2008, 07:42 AM
|
|
Junior Member
290 posts Joined: May 2008
|
QUOTE(pikacu @ May 26 2008, 11:57 PM) There is two common type computer user (from my personal opinion) If staying at college never care about the bill. Overclock kaw kaw 1) Idle (Torrent, Download, Chatting, /b/, etc..) 2) Active (Gaming,OCer,3d Renderer, etc..) For user type 1) , they would go for power efficiencies motherboard. For user type 2) , ...go figure |
|
|
May 28 2008, 02:21 PM
|
|
Senior Member
2,459 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Land Below the Wind
|
QUOTE(Federer @ May 28 2008, 07:42 AM) If staying at college never care about the bill. Overclock kaw kaw Next time college will charge "overclock" overclocking system usage bill wahaha.. |
|
|
May 29 2008, 09:54 AM
|
Senior Member
658 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Melaka
|
asus be expensive bcz of their adds and popularity, but quality??
|
|
|
May 29 2008, 10:08 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,885 posts Joined: Jan 2007
|
now on ASUS = ASROCK
..jk..jkThis post has been edited by PGV3910: May 29 2008, 10:08 AM |
|
|
May 29 2008, 10:37 AM
|
Senior Member
2,275 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: 192.168.200.45
|
QUOTE(dadurtyz @ May 29 2008, 09:54 AM) asus be expensive bcz of their adds and popularity, but quality?? But still they cant hide frm customers also..customers arn't stupid either..Added on May 29, 2008, 10:38 am QUOTE(sonic_cd @ May 27 2008, 03:07 PM) i belong to category 1 .. but then again i orefer high specs to g with it ... haha . i'd second to that bro...agree This post has been edited by Bigblock: May 29 2008, 10:38 AM |
|
|
May 29 2008, 11:59 AM
|
Senior Member
3,102 posts Joined: May 2005 From: Penang *̡͌l̡*̡̡
|
then all go DFI lolz~~
|
|
|
May 29 2008, 12:08 PM
|
|
Senior Member
4,237 posts Joined: Sep 2006
|
so many brand ! can go FOXCONN MA or MSI or GIgabyte Y because asus sux!
|
|
|
May 29 2008, 12:31 PM
|
|
Senior Member
2,546 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: far far away...
|
gigabyte fanboy ^^
or anti asus fanboy ^^ |
|
|
May 29 2008, 12:37 PM
|
|
Senior Member
599 posts Joined: Oct 2007 From: Finding the Core
|
QUOTE(johnkor @ May 29 2008, 12:08 PM) so many brand ! can go FOXCONN MA or MSI or GIgabyte Y because asus sux! maybe sux for u....but not me |
|
|
May 29 2008, 12:47 PM
|
|
Senior Member
2,546 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: far far away...
|
say edi...
gigabyte fanboy n u asus fanboy |
|
|
May 29 2008, 12:58 PM
|
All Stars
19,324 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
QUOTE(heizad @ May 14 2008, 09:57 PM) then buy dfi..LOL duno now wat happened to local dfi distri, as they now more focus on biostar only. |
|
|
May 29 2008, 02:11 PM
|
Senior Member
15,022 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Damansara Jaya/Bandar Utama
|
QUOTE(jinaun @ May 16 2008, 05:48 PM) ASUS Retaliates Against Gigabyte, Issues Official Statement ASUS lies..again.http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/ASUS_Retal...ement/5780.html Gigabyte was talking about an older model..P5K or E or something, while ASUS say it's P5Q, which has all the function. See how ASUS tried to divert the issue? The P5Q is a new board with the enhanced function while Gigabyte is saying their older ASUS mobo don't meet the specs. Gigabyte sure win liao. btw, after the last round of bad experience with the ASUS M3A mobo, i never want to touch an ASUS mobo...ever. So happy with Gigabyte E-P35 mobo now. |
|
|
May 29 2008, 02:16 PM
|
|
Senior Member
2,546 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: far far away...
|
QUOTE(super macgyver @ May 29 2008, 12:58 PM) duno now wat happened to local dfi distri, as they now more focus on biostar only. this happen coz ppl buy biostar make their profit high ler...dfi stuff exp... not all afford it |
|
|
May 29 2008, 04:32 PM
|
Senior Member
2,994 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Behind You
|
QUOTE(super macgyver @ May 29 2008, 12:58 PM) duno now wat happened to local dfi distri, as they now more focus on biostar only. so far i know biostar veli cheap can earn more thn others |
|
|
May 30 2008, 01:26 AM
|
|
Senior Member
4,237 posts Joined: Sep 2006
|
wah this war wouldn end like that ! ASUS LAST MOVE OR SHUTDOWN!!!
|
|
|
May 30 2008, 09:38 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,605 posts Joined: Jan 2006 From: A Place Between Heaven & Hell
|
QUOTE wah this war wouldn end like that ! ASUS LAST MOVE OR SHUTDOWN!!! U really speak without any common sense at all. Added on May 30, 2008, 9:56 am QUOTE(super macgyver @ May 29 2008, 01:58 PM) duno now wat happened to local dfi distri, as they now more focus on biostar only. QUOTE(nelienuxe_sara @ May 29 2008, 03:16 PM) this happen coz ppl buy biostar make their profit high ler... Biostar RMA quite fast, the supplier oso do 1st year 1 to 1 exchange if faulty.dfi stuff exp... not all afford it This post has been edited by zeustronic: May 30 2008, 09:58 AM |
|
|
May 30 2008, 11:48 PM
|
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
Gigabyte bowed down to ASUS: http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20080530PD205.html
QUOTE The legal battle between motherboard makers Gigabyte Technology and Asustek Computer looks set to be over before it even started, with Gigabyte agreeing to issue a public apology. Tensions between the two companies flared up over "defamatory" comments and comparisons Gigabyte made in a internal document which challenged Asustek's claims of using high-quality components in its motherboards, and the merits of Asustek's EPU energy saving technology and its own DES equivalent. Asustek took issue with the particularly strong wording used in the document and that Gigabyte failed to present independent test results. Problems also arose from the juxtaposition of an image of "blown" capacitors on an unidentified maker's product alongside an Asustek motherboard, which Asustek alleged was an attempt by Gigabyte to imply Asustek products were of equally poor quality. In response Asustek lodged a complaint with Taiwan's Fair Trade Commission (FTC) and initiated legal proceedings against the Gigabyte employee responsible for writing the document. While stressing that it stands by the original intent of the document – that its DES technology is superior to Asustek's EPU – Gigabyte said it acknowledged the grievances raised by its competitor and has agreed to issue an official apology which will be published, at its expense, in Taiwan newspapers on June 1. In turn, Asustek has agreed to drop all proceedings related to the issue. Gaygaybyte bowed down upon Assus wrath the fairy tails end.. |
|
|
May 30 2008, 11:53 PM
|
Junior Member
408 posts Joined: Oct 2007
|
so
asus not a liar and gigabyte has make a msitake? |
|
|
May 30 2008, 11:56 PM
|
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
it seems so
gaygaybyte cannot "fight" assus..thats all. This post has been edited by pikacu: May 30 2008, 11:57 PM |
|
|
May 31 2008, 07:21 AM
|
|
Junior Member
380 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: Malacca
|
~boring ending... yawn~~~
|
|
|
May 31 2008, 07:36 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,605 posts Joined: Jan 2006 From: A Place Between Heaven & Hell
|
QUOTE(pikacu @ May 31 2008, 12:56 AM) it seems so Juz like a village trying to war with an empire gaygaybyte cannot "fight" assus..thats all. .This post has been edited by zeustronic: May 31 2008, 07:36 AM |
|
|
May 31 2008, 08:18 AM
|
 
Forum Admin
44,415 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
bottomline - You don't start some accusations without SOLID evidence.
|
|
|
May 31 2008, 11:39 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,042 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: KL
|
I still dont like lame packaging form Asus's mainstream mobos. Whether DES or EPU for ocers it is the same at the end.
|
|
|
May 31 2008, 12:25 PM
|
|
Elite
6,139 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
QUOTE(§layerXT @ May 31 2008, 11:39 AM) I still dont like lame packaging form Asus's mainstream mobos. Whether DES or EPU for ocers it is the same at the end. its not the packaging that matters.. its the quality of the content |
|
|
May 31 2008, 06:10 PM
|
|
Junior Member
274 posts Joined: May 2006
|
Waittt, something not right here
QUOTE The battle of the Taiwan titans rages on but this time, the stakes have been raised as, after a little PR rumble, Asus has announced that it has sued Gigabyte for defamatory acts. It all started with Gigabyte holding a press event in which it made claims and showcased results regarding Asus' energy saving technology centered around the Energy Processing Unit or EPU. Asus responded to Gigabyte's event through a press release last week and today it upped the ante with a new release which reads: Also, in a press briefing presentation, Gigabyte used a photograph with blown-up (exploded) capacitors and led the audience to believe it was an ASUS product, to support its false allegations that ASUS uses questionable quality components. However, the image was found to be taken from a photograph of a VGA card manufactured by another vendor. The action of misrepresenting a third party product to be an ASUS product is truly defamatory and clearly outside the realm of decent competition. QUOTE Asustek took issue with the particularly strong wording used in the document and that Gigabyte failed to present independent test results. Problems also arose from the juxtaposition of an image of "blown" capacitors on an unidentified maker's product alongside an Asustek motherboard, which Asustek alleged was an attempt by Gigabyte to imply Asustek products were of equally poor quality. From reading the articles, asus sued them over... the image, and strong wording? ONLY? QUOTE While stressing that it stands by the original intent of the document – that its DES technology is superior to Asustek's EPU – Gigabyte said it acknowledged the grievances raised by its competitor and has agreed to issue an official apology which will be published, at its expense, in Taiwan newspapers on June 1. Asus didnt win nuts. Its like the other statement where they showed their exclusive features to the unrelated mobo, this is the same thing. Edit: Thinking about it, after your compeditor and 2 diffrent reviews say more or less the same thing, you don't just sue, you also show it to the reporters that it is untrue. Odd behaviour imo. Someone start a lawsuit againts asus with the gigabyte>asus article, may win some cash! This post has been edited by Zavia/GenX: May 31 2008, 06:13 PM |
|
|
May 31 2008, 09:04 PM
|
|
Junior Member
76 posts Joined: Apr 2008
|
I think there sumthing happen behind that the press or neither us know?sneaky!!!!
|
|
|
May 31 2008, 10:15 PM
|
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
QUOTE(Zavia/GenX @ May 31 2008, 06:10 PM) Waittt, something not right here QUOTE(tauruskong @ May 31 2008, 09:04 PM) I think there sumthing happen behind that the press or neither us know?sneaky!!!! QUOTE(pikacu @ May 30 2008, 11:56 PM) gaygaybyte cannot "fight" assus..thats all. as i say...gaygaybyte cannot "fight" assus. |
|
|
Jun 1 2008, 12:37 AM
|
|
Senior Member
1,282 posts Joined: Dec 2004 From: penang
|
QUOTE(pikacu @ May 31 2008, 10:15 PM) as i say...gaygaybyte cannot "fight" assus. is it like altantuya's family cannot fight with "someone" whom ordered to kill altantuya ? |
|
|
Jun 2 2008, 03:48 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,191 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: Penang
|
QUOTE(gstoh @ Jun 1 2008, 12:37 AM) is it like altantuya's family cannot fight with "someone" whom ordered to kill altantuya ? That is another story |
|
|
Jun 2 2008, 05:12 PM
|
|
Elite
6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
i wonder where my loyalties lies..
die gay gay die |
|
|
Jun 2 2008, 08:01 PM
|
|
Junior Member
76 posts Joined: Apr 2008
|
u know mayb some join venture or asus provide great deal for giga
|
|
|
Jun 4 2008, 09:27 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,521 posts Joined: Jan 2006 From: UrbanSubangJaya
|
i was just thinking. it could be a marketing strategy by both companies. do u think so? i mean they say there is no such thing as 'bad' publicity kua. |
|
|
Jun 4 2008, 03:44 PM
|
Senior Member
777 posts Joined: Sep 2007 From: bandar baru bangi
|
haha, im using abit now..gigabyte n asus most expensive brand n now become liars???
|
|
|
Jun 4 2008, 07:01 PM
|
|
Newbie
1 posts Joined: Jun 2008
|
Gigabyte had steered us into the war of words in haste. As a marketing stactic, I think it is successful, many people stand by him, but I do not enjoy that. You could criticize your competitor, but slander, so ignominious. Now go out for apology, a little ungainly. Just my opinion.
Everyone has his thought. |
|
|
Jun 22 2008, 04:21 PM
|
|
Senior Member
4,237 posts Joined: Sep 2006
|
yay asus lost so no more " REPLUBLIC OF GAMERS " HUHU! NOW can GO FOR MARS!!
|
|
|
Jun 22 2008, 04:26 PM
|
Senior Member
1,167 posts Joined: Mar 2005 From: sunway/petaling jaya
|
hmm..but this i think only for their previous model..and actually i dont really care bout power saving its all about overclocking which where gigabyte failed to provide with their bios,so little option for overclocking setting coming from dfi lanparty x48 and now on asus i may say the board doesnt lack any tweak setting that i want,eventhough i may say that dfi is the most fully overclocking mobo..
|
|
|
Jun 22 2008, 09:54 PM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
just couple of weeks ago.......i saw on tomshardware.com, gigabyte apologizing 2 asus regarding their claim (flashing on the advertisement bar......)
|
|
|
Jun 22 2008, 09:57 PM
|
|
Senior Member
4,237 posts Joined: Sep 2006
|
THE war is not ended but the Journey has just started LFMAO!
|
|
|
Jun 22 2008, 11:23 PM
|
Senior Member
571 posts Joined: Jun 2008 From: Perth
|
Wah wah... i still thinking want to get Asus P5K-Deluxe... Omg.. should i get it now or not lerh... I think is time to think about Biostar !!
gigabyte prove that Asus chart are fake, but is the chart that gigabyte provide is true? gigabyte can make fake chart too.. ^.^ No Offence ...dun pwnd me This post has been edited by FoxNope: Jun 22 2008, 11:24 PM |
|
|
Jun 22 2008, 11:27 PM
|
|
Senior Member
7,740 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Some Yih
|
^
I sense gaygaybyte vs asus fight is...scripted drama =/ |
|
|
Jun 22 2008, 11:32 PM
|
Senior Member
1,589 posts Joined: May 2008
|
haha i have turn to gigabyte supporter 3 month ago.
|
|
|
Jun 22 2008, 11:37 PM
|
Senior Member
4,810 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
gaygaybyte apologized through Tomshardware already, you guys still wanna sibuk?
|
|
|
Jun 22 2008, 11:38 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,589 posts Joined: May 2008
|
QUOTE(FoxNope @ Jun 22 2008, 11:23 PM) Wah wah... i still thinking want to get Asus P5K-Deluxe... Omg.. should i get it now or not lerh... I think is time to think about Biostar !! i think gigabyte is saying the truth la....bcos already spread all over the world.if not gigabyte will fall.gigabyte prove that Asus chart are fake, but is the chart that gigabyte provide is true? gigabyte can make fake chart too.. ^.^ No Offence ...dun pwnd me |
|
|
Jun 22 2008, 11:40 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,533 posts Joined: Aug 2007
|
hey hey.. dont say gaygaybyte until very bad lah... gaygaybyte supporter here leh... hehe
|
|
|
Jun 22 2008, 11:56 PM
|
|
Senior Member
571 posts Joined: Jun 2008 From: Perth
|
QUOTE(sukhoi37 @ Jun 22 2008, 11:37 PM) gaygaybyte apologized through Tomshardware already, you guys still wanna sibuk? apologized about what(sry i did't manage to view through all the page)???About too rude ? or about give wrong information ? Coz i am choosing btw 3 board now Asus P5K-Deluxe/Wifi, Gigabyte EP45-DS4P, XFX 680i » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Added on June 23, 2008, 12:09 amOh.. saw the article already... seem Gigabyte said sorry because the word using in the document.. Not really about the EPU.. but gigabyte and asus also can't prove with any evidence. So.. still a mystery... The solution i think is, buy 2 equally board and test ourself(not me) ^^ This post has been edited by FoxNope: Jun 23 2008, 12:10 AM |
|
|
Jun 23 2008, 12:14 AM
|
Senior Member
2,330 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: 192.168.1.2
|
it's normal in the competitive environment.. someone trying to flame each other
|
|
|
Jun 23 2008, 01:22 AM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
i dun really get it..............
1) asus did not really mek any effort clearing their name............ 2) little people know bout the apologized b coz it doesn't really made big......... 3) y there r so little news bout the war? p/s: who cares about supporting which brand........ just buy the 1 dat u think most suited 4 ur usage...... |
|
|
Jun 23 2008, 12:23 PM
|
|
Senior Member
599 posts Joined: Oct 2007 From: Finding the Core
|
i thought its over aready,lol
 |
|
|
Jun 26 2008, 01:06 PM
|
Junior Member
104 posts Joined: Jan 2008
|
i buy gigabyte mobo just because they are cheaper~~
|
|
|
Jun 26 2008, 05:05 PM
|
|
All Stars
10,596 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Hinamizawa
|
QUOTE(aminius @ Jun 26 2008, 01:06 PM) i buy gigabyte mobo just because they are cheaper~~ which model is cheaper? |
|
|
Jun 26 2008, 06:15 PM
|
Junior Member
65 posts Joined: May 2008
|
I Like Gigabyte. Already few pc using this mobo without fail
|
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 07:29 AM
|
|
All Stars
19,324 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
a fren of mine just bought one gigabyte am2 sli MB from lyp tis April, it is a faulty one with its sata chip controller, collect rma after 1 month is still the same MB, the distri In-Force said it is problem free, my fren feel like WTF.
|
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 09:50 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,113 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Cheras
|
recently i encounter problems with my new gigabyte board. my board having compatible problems with certain vga card & it had kill my vga card.
|
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 10:28 AM
|
Senior Member
13,340 posts Joined: Feb 2005 From: back from vacation XD
|
i will continue support asus no matter what happens 2 asus. i planning 2 get ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA X48 board soon.
|
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 10:35 AM
|
|
Junior Member
307 posts Joined: Dec 2007 From: Land Of The UnDead!!!!
|
NAhh......GIGABYTE is no where near ASUS.........ASUS pricey came with a price.......QUALITY......also so many features........
Get ASUS board if u need a high end mobo........with extra features...(yah....maybe someone didnt like the ASUS features......if you dont like it...go for cheaper brand) I see that ASUS good in terms of extra features.....!!! So worth to pay extra.... p/s i dont trust gigabyte claims.........just business game they play to kill other brand!!! |
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 11:01 AM
|
Senior Member
1,715 posts Joined: Sep 2004 From: KL
|
Actually is hard to justify who's correct (since I'm also not a hardware specialist), but the creditablity was quite doubtful if it's come from your competitors. I think someone who is neutral and good knowledge in mobo need to justify on this instead we all guessing here.
|
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 11:09 AM
|
|
Senior Member
563 posts Joined: Jan 2008
|
QUOTE(digita1tech @ Jul 1 2008, 10:35 AM) NAhh......GIGABYTE is no where near ASUS.........ASUS pricey came with a price.......QUALITY......also so many features........ You sound more like a fanboy without any reasoning for Asus having more features.Get ASUS board if u need a high end mobo........with extra features...(yah....maybe someone didnt like the ASUS features......if you dont like it...go for cheaper brand) I see that ASUS good in terms of extra features.....!!! So worth to pay extra.... p/s i dont trust gigabyte claims.........just business game they play to kill other brand!!! This post has been edited by tomatos: Jul 1 2008, 11:13 AM |
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 03:41 PM
|
Junior Member
270 posts Joined: Jan 2007
|
Another tech website that has statistical number to prove the fake marketing tactics of ASUS yet again.
This time they tested the Asus P5N-D motherboard. Really prove that DES is totally fake. It even shows that Asus board consume more power compare to ABIT board. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboard...s-p5n-d_15.html I will be supporting ABIT more than Asus. This post has been edited by waif: Jul 1 2008, 03:42 PM |
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 05:16 PM
|
|
Junior Member
307 posts Joined: Dec 2007 From: Land Of The UnDead!!!!
|
QUOTE(tomatos @ Jul 1 2008, 11:09 AM) You sound more like a fanboy without any reasoning for Asus having more features. Im no fanboy...........because......i will change into Abit for next couple of weeks!!! If u use Asus......from 1999.......you'll know what i mean.........it has many features (some are usable, some are useless)......like Boot Logo Screen(even my Pentium 3 mobo got this features) which is not that important....but still....extra features than any other motherboard at that time...... In my opinion....if high end mobo.......its better with Asus......!! Low and mid stay away because its pricey...... p/s its stupid for Gigabyte that i consider noobie in this Tech to claims such thing.......Asus has more product good quality product range!! |
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 05:22 PM
|
|
Senior Member
563 posts Joined: Jan 2008
|
QUOTE(digita1tech @ Jul 1 2008, 05:16 PM) Im no fanboy...........because......i will change into Abit for next couple of weeks!!! Have you use Gigabyte? If u use Asus......from 1999.......you'll know what i mean.........it has many features (some are usable, some are useless)......like Boot Logo Screen(even my Pentium 3 mobo got this features) which is not that important....but still....extra features than any other motherboard at that time...... In my opinion....if high end mobo.......its better with Asus......!! Low and mid stay away because its pricey...... p/s its stupid for Gigabyte that i consider noobie in this Tech to claims such thing.......Asus has more product good quality product range!! |
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 05:25 PM
|
Senior Member
1,982 posts Joined: Aug 2005 From: TTDI
|
QUOTE(digita1tech @ Jul 1 2008, 05:16 PM) Im no fanboy...........because......i will change into Abit for next couple of weeks!!! i dont know what to say, your statement dont have any reasoning..u say something is good but why is it good? quality product range? what product? very subjective..please support your facts with some evidence or something to convince nub ppl like me If u use Asus......from 1999.......you'll know what i mean.........it has many features (some are usable, some are useless)......like Boot Logo Screen(even my Pentium 3 mobo got this features) which is not that important....but still....extra features than any other motherboard at that time...... In my opinion....if high end mobo.......its better with Asus......!! Low and mid stay away because its pricey...... p/s its stupid for Gigabyte that i consider noobie in this Tech to claims such thing.......Asus has more product good quality product range!! can tell me what extra features that asus have that gigabyte dont? This post has been edited by xpresside: Jul 1 2008, 05:25 PM |
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 06:00 PM
|
|
Senior Member
15,022 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Damansara Jaya/Bandar Utama
|
I swore by Gigabyte. ASUS was good, but now their quality just sucks with many mobos having problems and never fixed (like the M3A).
And yeah, nothing special about ASUS "features". All mobo manufacturer have more or less similar features nowdays. It only depends on the price. |
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 06:06 PM
|
|
Senior Member
1,982 posts Joined: Aug 2005 From: TTDI
|
i think the 1 feature that i can think now is that asus got 1 mobo with built in wifi, the others most dun hav
 |
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 06:16 PM
|
|
Elite
6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003
|
dude all of u talking rubbish
.. u guys havent even used enough products from different manufactorers as i said.. i have used many boards and have no loyalty.. quality of boards depends on which series and how much u want to spend one each manufactorers chipset line.. they all have high-end to low-end my terminology of high-lowend is based on pricing is this high end - rm1k+ mid end - RM700-999 low end - RM400-699 anything below rm400 is crap.. and u pay for for what u get.. also here is the biggest margin of profit by the board makers.. my bias to gaygay again is because of the FAE... 3 incidents with 3 different chipsets from gaygay's dq6's. this is beyond all ure noobish experience.. so close this topic as u guys clearly are just being plain silly... every manufacturer has a certain board that they f***ed up.. abit with their x38's foxcon with their x38's gaygay with their entire nvidia chipsets. dfi - non that i can think off asus - non that i can think off msi - non that i can think off -their price is exactly = performance features offered biostar - their am2 lines 590/570 was excellent... but their whole intel line other than the current p45 is embarrassing. but among all this board dfi is freaking expensive.. it comes with a ridiculous bundle.. yet nobody b****es about them.. among all this manufacturers only msi/gaygay/asus caters for everybody from noobish idiot with a budget to those with unlimited budget and also to those who want fine tune their system. as for rma.. dude thats up to god/shipment/ ah fat and co.. etc up to ure luck..only board i have ever rmaed last 3 years.. which is out of more than 10-15 boards i have used from different manufactorers.. heck most of my boards.. i use no more than 3-4 months had no isse.. is EvGA 680's i find that a lot of u screw up ure mobo because of this 1. bad cooling 2. bad case air flow 3. bad cable management. 4. bad psu thats what i have to say to u guys all .. so just close this silly topic |
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 09:56 PM
|
Senior Member
1,284 posts Joined: Oct 2007 From: 槟城 - Penang Island Status: Un-Owned
|
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jul 1 2008, 06:16 PM) dude all of u talking rubbish mystery solve... .. u guys havent even used enough products from different manufactorers as i said.. i have used many boards and have no loyalty.. quality of boards depends on which series and how much u want to spend one each manufactorers chipset line.. they all have high-end to low-end my terminology of high-lowend is based on pricing is this high end - rm1k+ mid end - RM700-999 low end - RM400-699 anything below rm400 is crap.. and u pay for for what u get.. also here is the biggest margin of profit by the board makers.. my bias to gaygay again is because of the FAE... 3 incidents with 3 different chipsets from gaygay's dq6's. this is beyond all ure noobish experience.. so close this topic as u guys clearly are just being plain silly... every manufacturer has a certain board that they f***ed up.. abit with their x38's foxcon with their x38's gaygay with their entire nvidia chipsets. dfi - non that i can think off asus - non that i can think off msi - non that i can think off -their price is exactly = performance features offered biostar - their am2 lines 590/570 was excellent... but their whole intel line other than the current p45 is embarrassing. but among all this board dfi is freaking expensive.. it comes with a ridiculous bundle.. yet nobody b****es about them.. among all this manufacturers only msi/gaygay/asus caters for everybody from noobish idiot with a budget to those with unlimited budget and also to those who want fine tune their system. as for rma.. dude thats up to god/shipment/ ah fat and co.. etc up to ure luck..only board i have ever rmaed last 3 years.. which is out of more than 10-15 boards i have used from different manufactorers.. heck most of my boards.. i use no more than 3-4 months had no isse.. is EvGA 680's i find that a lot of u screw up ure mobo because of this 1. bad cooling 2. bad case air flow 3. bad cable management. 4. bad psu thats what i have to say to u guys all .. so just close this silly topic This post has been edited by danieljoey: Jul 1 2008, 09:56 PM |
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 10:28 PM
|
|
Senior Member
571 posts Joined: Jun 2008 From: Perth
|
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Nice one dude, you helped alot people today. |
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 10:35 PM
|
|
Senior Member
4,237 posts Joined: Sep 2006
|
In JOB Gimmic!
|
|
|
Jul 1 2008, 11:33 PM
|
|
All Stars
10,596 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Hinamizawa
|
just end like that without any explanation to the both Asus and Gigabyte customer?
|
|
|
Jul 2 2008, 02:24 AM
|
|
Senior Member
599 posts Joined: Oct 2007 From: Finding the Core
|
mod,topic closed?
|
|
|
Jul 2 2008, 03:06 AM
|
Senior Member
529 posts Joined: Dec 2007 From: +(6016)-2329987
|
No matter is Gigabyte or Asus, I will only consider the warranty period they are given. Low-end ASUS mo bo is provided only 1 year warranty (as what I know), but Gigabyte provide longer than them. I think this is the main part that I will consider, because I really don't know what meterial they are use to assemble the mother board ( a lower grade one / or first grade one), so better got enough warranty period to secure my investment.
|
|
|
Jul 12 2008, 08:51 AM
|
|
Senior Member
2,605 posts Joined: Jan 2006 From: A Place Between Heaven & Hell
|
QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Jul 2 2008, 12:33 AM) just end like that without any explanation to the both Asus and Gigabyte customer? Finally we got some explaination from a Legit Reviews.The Conclusions QUOTE So, in the end, who is the winner? I would have to say first off that the winner is the consumer. Less power being used means less money flying out the door to the utility company, and that is a good thing for the pocketbook, especially with gas prices headed the direction they are. I would also say that the environment is a winner. I am not going to get all politically correct. In fact, no matter what your view is, you would have to admit that using less power is a good thing. Just the fact that we are even talking about this subject is a good thing. We have a responsibility to take care of the earth, and this certainly can help. I applaud both Asus and Gigabyte for there desire to decrease the power used by personal computing. Both boards are great performers, so anyone looking to build a system built around either of these boards will be happy. But as we said in the beginning of this article, now that the performance gap has decreased between boards and chipsets, there are other things that will come in to play. Overclocking is a big one, but power saving is also a major concern for people today. That being said, the Asus certainly offers a wider range of flexibility for the user. The Asus board also provides the greatest amount of power saving between these two boards. Wondering what happened between ASUS and Gigabyte? Well, ASUS sued Gigabyte for defamatory and false accusations at the end of May 2008. A couple weeks later it was reported that Gigabyte was going to apologize. Our testing shows that the apology was indeed needed as the ASUS board is more efficient! Legit Bottom Line: If one of the major factors in your motherboard purchase is to have a great board that gives great power saving features, then the Asus P5E3 Premium (and certainly other Asus boards with the EPU feature) will be a great choice for your rig. Source |
|
|
Jul 12 2008, 12:12 PM
|
Senior Member
698 posts Joined: Jun 2008
|
haha...in the end giga juz make a false statement that only cost them a bunch.:sigh:
|
|
|
Jul 12 2008, 01:29 PM
|
Elite
24,351 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Setapak, Kuala Lumpur
|
That sums things up. Glad that I didn't make the wrong choice for the motherboard of this generation after using Asus motherboards for 10 years.
|
|
|
Nov 25 2008, 10:41 PM
|
Junior Member
146 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: Penang
|
I've tried many gigabyte and abit mobos since Athlon(Thunderbird) and Pentium III. For some reason i always ended up with Asus mobos. Asus Mobos always seem to pass memtest86 with 4 ram modules. Gigabyte and Abit couldn't pass it at all. Maybe i'm just unlucky =.=
Recently i upgraded to E8400, bought Abit Fatality w/nv650i chipset, couldn't pass memtest86. Switched over to Gigabyte w/P35, couldn't pass memtest86. Ended up with Asus P5N-D. now running @ 3.8ghz without any problems or watsoever. Ram modules: OCZ Reaper HTC PC-6400 Tough luck for me i guess.... This post has been edited by presto86: Nov 25 2008, 10:42 PM |
|
|
Nov 25 2008, 10:45 PM
|
|
Senior Member
5,644 posts Joined: Feb 2008 From: Heaven to HELL
|
THIS THREAD ALREADY LONG DEAD. EVEN ASUS & GIGABYTE THEMSELVES HAS SETTLE THIS CASE. PLS DO NOT REPLY IN THIS THREAD ANYMORE. This post has been edited by tech3910: Nov 25 2008, 10:46 PM |
|
Topic ClosedOptions
|
| Change to: |  0.1271sec
 0.94
 6 queries
 GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 15th December 2025 - 04:00 PM |
All Rights Reserved © 2002- 2025 Vijandren Ramadass (~unite against racism~)
Powered by Invision Power Board © 2025 IPS, Inc.