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This post has been edited by gstrapinuse: May 13 2008, 12:51 PM

wow!
how much bro?
little shock here

the summon din state the compound amount, just told me to attend court on the stated date in the compound!!!! But i asked JPJ officers as well, it is not an offense as long as not blue in color!!!!!

i think the police need to go back to tadika ..................
tulisan macam cakar ayam besar besar

Police and JPJ follow different sets of rule... Or should I say, Police can 'set' their own rule although car modification falls under JPJ jurisdiction, especially when they want to 'makan'. What can do, Polis Raja di Malaysia.

ya, i think so....where got 'lampu yang tidak bersilau'? of coz all headlights can silau, so i think they simply charge and din state properly what type of lamp i modified, the exceeded color heat and so on...his patrol car lampu also can silau la!

I think being sued is not the correct term but its not subpoena as well. But I believe Police force have the right to do so.

i checked d, they charged me under the same law of JPJ, its under akta pengangkutan 1987 (ignore the jpj site, in which they have typing error - 1897 - this year malaysia also not yet established), it means that they simply charge me...really raja!!!

Yap. Even JPJ give till July before start summons for HID.

I think you take this notice to balai polis they will issue a a summon and you pay up. If im not mistaken someone kena before also take go balai and settle.

huh? bro, does it mean that HID lights restriction only comes inforced after july?

what are the consequences if you really get charge ?

first u settle the case first, and prove that u are innocent...next, sue him for

1) causing you to worry about things for no reason, thus mental disturbance
2) lack of sleep coz of this thing, thus affecting ur daily routine

Go court plead guilty and pay summon lo, nothing much but a lot of hassle.

Take to Balai and they will input it into computer. Then they will write RM200 on that paper. Go see the OCPD with appeal letter can get 50% discount. Make sure you change back to standard 1st in case he wants to see your car.

Only JPJ. But for police..

thats the question bro, i also worried....dunno compound how much...attend court some more, like installing HID is a serious crime...if not they should have ban the sale of HID lights and restrict production car from installing it as a standard accessory....

bro.....as u mention about he wan *MAKAN*i think next time ,if meet up again...i suggest u use your handphone and start recording..wat they are saying.

It's not like you're going to be fined some huge amount of money if you really get charged. TS, as they say, you either just go and settle it at the station for a few hundred, or.. just go to court at the date given.

The right term is, compound.

Unfortunately they have a right. It is inconvenient but if you think you have a case, you can fight it off during the hearing with the municipal judge.

So, go do your homework and see if you can make a case out of it but in the event should the court find you guilty, a RM100 fine is quite standard.

Be prepared to waste at least half a day there.

not SUED la... summoned better word...tot sumother road user suing u

If you go court you can challenge the allegation, make sure you change back the lights and sue the policemen back for defamation say he accuse you of modifying your lights because you refuse to bribe him. =p

dude, u know how i suspect, i told him ok, tulis la, i know my offense, u tulis la, den he still talk alot, if i tulis u might be gantung lesen and pay compound and so on...bla bla bla, ask me think twice somemore...i said nvm la, just tulis (in fact i still have lots of summons i kena den i just ignored ) but to my surprise that thing is not summon! it told me to go to court to settle!!

man next time u get pulled over, record the conversation..if he mintak rasuah and u recorded it, jus laporkan dia r..bg dia padan muka..or just sue him for all i care..

that nite i was curious also, no speeding, not overtaking, no jump red light, did no offense at all, suddenly being pulled over and said i use white light...heck, i have been using it for almost 1 and half year and gone through JPJ block and police road block, none of the time i kena, suddenly out of nothin being pulled over and said my lampu is putih bersilau...isn't it ridiculous???

This post has been edited by gstrapinuse: May 10 2008, 08:06 PM

I think the police should write down the "kesalahan" under which section/sub-section Sometimes they don't even know under which section that they charge u...

Then how to do with civic and camry owner?They have stock HID lamps.

the police is did the correct thing to you if your car HID lamp is NOT original (came when bought car)

for those new camry and new car which with HID, that is legal

nola, those camry civic are 4000k ..which is not that bright.. IMO ,u should mod the lamp which can change from HID to normal.

if the light comes from manufacturer, it's okay....

but if the stock car doesn't have HID and you fit it yourself, then anything happen, sendiri settle la, kena saman, bayar la.....who ask you in the first place go pandai pandai fit HID?

how the heck the police gonna know whether the manufacture put it in or not?

i dont think like that lor. abit biased ruling isnt it?

http://paultan.org/archives/2008/03/30/jpj...g-by-july-2008/
factory equiped HID is the only approved on road
govmen never encourage ppl go and install HID

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Added on May 10, 2008, 8:34 pmread here as well http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/663141

This post has been edited by ! Love Money: May 10 2008, 08:34 PM

normally those stock car with hid comes with projector so it wont blind the incoming vehicles..

Guilty although u're not, court go u must.

i dunno aboutn the offence la, but if u settle ur summon before court date, u no need attend court

of course, paying the summon tantamounts to admitting u were wrong la..

Must go and settle this summon letter. Or else must go court after the expiry date..

awesome yoda words .

Just to take extra note, don't keep all your summons too long. A colleague of mind just got jailed for not paying the summons. Police came to his house & arrested him.

well, appeal lor. i suppose can help gua

I think the policeman is smarter than you think but who knows.

Either way its a bad situation since you have prior offense. Once they check into the system whether the police, jpj or the judicial system they will see your prior offense.

Best is to clear all your previous summons 1st b4 going to court or it would be bad for you. The court will see you as a reckless non law abiding citizen. Even if you don't want to go court my advise is still the same.

So please clear all those previous ones 1st then settle this any which way you like b4 the police come and drag you to court.

from the article that i read, it said that for the time being they'll only issue notice to all car owners caught wid HID as a WARNING only, it seems like my summon (to bring me to court) isn't a notice at all...it doesnt make sense here at all as the JPJ has stated CLEARLY that the law only comes to inforce in July...so it's obviously not fair for me at all....i'm wrongly charged....aren't they're supposed to issue me notice like they have stated instead of giving me order to go to court?

is HID and Xenon same? Coz i thot Xenon wsa the once that they fix standard in some cars...

HID bulbs use xenon gas as part of their mechanism.

I agree that post-factory HID be strictly scrutinized. More often than not these lights are just irritating and don't really shine as bright as the original halogens. During rain or fog, you can forget seeing anything at all.

haha...i got this before. But mine is accident la...The officer just told me, 1. U settle the compound. 2. See u on the court at the date stated. But according to the officer, if u felt that u are not on the wrong side, just debate wif them on court......But i doubt the chance to win.

Better go to the police station and settle there.

serve u right u traffic violater
our malaysian road is getting worst and worst day by day with u kind of people on the road
install HID, ur fault, go appeal lor if u dare
factory fitted HID are equipped with glare shield which will not glare oncoming car while yours juz irritating all the way
it doesnt matter whether it is white blue red or yellow, it is the glaring that matter
only white double/tripple the effect

Hey...u imagine Xenon i used in camera flash,how if use on car?Sure blind la..

as i know that traffic police can't summon you. I get caught by JPJ also they dun saman me. They issue a PGD10 letter to me saying that within 14 days convert back to original lighting and go to jpj let them see only.

normal yellow lights are halogen lamp

I hate cars with HID lights.. very blinding. I wish July could come soon.

6000K is illegal la... only 4350K is legal because same colour temp as standard H4. I've been using 4350K HID bulbs for years without problems with JPJ or police.

for me id just attend the court order to clarify yourself, if everyone has a mindset like what you all advised him to do, we all gonna be blur and bodoh kena charged even we are innocent. this is one thing i hate about being a malaysian. plus, since everyone wanted to find out about the regulations for HID, call in the reporters, im pretty sure it will make a big news out of this.

Just ask urself, did u modify the lighting system?
1. yes- pay the fine
2 No- defend yourself.

easy as that.

Also, did u remove the anti-glare shields when modding the headlamps? If so, put them back - buy new headlamps!

HID is legal disregard of the colors

the reason why JPJ/ Police is cracking down the HID is because of stupid Ah beng DIY their lighting hence altering the entire beam height. here in australia theres a regulation where the beam must be at a right height. Someone MUST send these uneducated JPJs personnals to upgrade their knowledge.

while the color is not an offence to other driver, but poses danger to own as higher Ks work badly in low visibility.

overall its the JPJ not educating the public with why they are cracking down on the HID and everyone should blame on those who illegally DIY their lighting system!

If your car (not AP) has HID factory fitted, then juz go and settle.. Should be fine, nothing's wrong with factory fitted JPJ approved HID lights..

But if u are one of those ah bengs that fit HID juz so your car bcms more "yeng", then serves u right!!

Btw, I wonder if those cars that have HIDs which are brought in through grey importers are JPJ approved..

by the way, if the officer want to suap u, y dun u challenge him this at court? i guess u made the initial move?

hi ~~~! can i say something ,

Factory fitted is another case that is a nice color and not bright and glaring

but u see brands like Imperial Concept, Phillips , Osram , and other brand ! those are i dont knoe how to said ! those are among the glaring one ! and the colour is sux abit !! tough!

if you are not too sure , can head tp PKR DAP office to seek for legal advices .

no need to go MCA , they will say ... u know what they will act la .

Let Micheal Chong do the work ! ahaha!

MCA might help you cos they want to win back your vote.

actually....i tried very hard not to say this but i cannot stand it already...

"SERVE YOU RIGHT!!!!!"

damn hate these mofo who have all these out of tune HID light.....glaring like hell....

u remember his badge number??

Congrats dude, for getting this. It's not fun at all with a car torching you with HID. It's glaring, even from behind. Side and rear mirrors are all adjust so that we can see what is going on at our back and when your proud HID light shine at it, it hurts.

Next time, try taking your head on a HID light on open your eyes looking directly into it. I think you will find it "amusing and fun"

good lah...finally police is really doing something.. =)

RM 300...after discount RM 200
just paid mine last month

so true

As I know cars with after market or self-modified HID is illegal. Standard fitted HID from the car manufacturer is legal.

Let me clarify the scenario here....ya, to fit aftermarket HID is considered illegal on the road, of coz most aftermarket HID doesnt come wid anti glare, if it comes standard wid anti glare, i'm sure most ah beng wont waste money fit it in their car anymore coz they lose their 'YENGness'. but i choose it is for the sake of improved visibility.

the main problem now is, they (the police) charge me wid installing aftermarket HID but din STATE clearly their charge, they said i modify lampu bersilau, but they din state which type of lampu yang bersilau. does he mean that a halogen lamp yang bersilau gile gile or spot light darn bersilau. and if bersilau, how bersilau is bersilau? color heat, height of the beam and so on...PLUS as some members have mentioned earlier that the law is NOT YET ENFORCED (enforce in july). they are supposed to issue me notice as stated clearly by JPJ. the fella (officer) lacks professionalism, not up to date, did nothing to inspect the lamp, lack of technical knowledge B4 act on charging me...

if the law is enforced and i'm wrong, of coz i dun mind being compounded, coz i'm indeed wrong. but to put charge under term like 'modifikasi lampu putih silau' is too layman to be considered a court case, so obvious that he wanted to cari makan only....

Original factory fitted HID come with an auto-leveling mechanism. You can also alter the height of the beam from inside your car. I'm not sure if those after-market have a proper mechanism like this. According to my friend the only way to change the height is by using a screw on the lamp itself; and I think these are the ones which should be banned since you cannot adjust the level while driving.

There are 2 types of AP here. One are "Kenderaan Import Baru", which are direct from overseas factory, and the other are reconds. I believe the latter may be the problematic ones since they could have been modified in their country of origin.

This post has been edited by prozac: May 11 2008, 11:08 AM

misleading title.

but i get 50% discount~~ hehe

the police and jpj should clamp down harder just like the mat rempit. no difference.

This post has been edited by Executioner: Sep 15 2012, 12:29 AM

don say HID la

even some freak who on the high light n spot light when driving at nite will also cause other danger la

indeed if HID no adjust properly then it'll b juz like when other r wif their high lights on to blind the whole road

juz HID is brighter that it has its advantage for better vision of driving n safety

police o jpj should go for those improper installation of HID n other lightning that blind the whole road in nite causing others danger

not ppl who install HID n adjust properly juz for road safety
else y big manufacturer has been using HID o XENON for many years adi

somehow this is very unfair to us once others hav use them wrongly

if u wnat u use 4300k colour lah, why use 6000k colour?
Bare in mind, we road use hate HID which is white colour. We don't care what f**k car you driving, white HID is a no no no no on the road.
looking for trouble is it?
you deserve a sue from PDRM.
God bless you.

agree, hate to see those cheap proton, perodua and vios using HID ... thought very stylish ... a bunch of selfish buggar ...

juz because u want to improve ur visiblity u put danger/hazzard to road user?
ur license ought to be hang forever

bro, if HID is dangerous, den manufacturers wont fit those crappy lights as standard accessory...if i have the intention to look darn yeng and for the sake of blinding others, i'd prefer 16,000 instead....

They fit it as standard becoz they have a so called projector light.
Not to be fitted in reflector based headlamp.

HID user that cause road danger n blind others from the opposite way should b punish

well like estima, wish, new civic, these cars don comes wif projectors also
but they don blind others coz hav proper set up n adjustment

Just pay the compound. Go home throw some plates to release tension.
This is Malaysia. No matter how innocent you are. Government always right. We Rakyat don't have the right to sound. They can't stand critics.
Seek MCA is useless. They still have a lot of important matters to do.

Today they say it is ok. Tomorrow when they feel it's not right. They throw you in jail to set as an example to others.
Malaysia is growing fast. Back to the stoneage.

This post has been edited by Amedion: May 11 2008, 12:47 PM

do u understand wut is goin on? if u r here to shoot HID users, u can consider open another thread to do so...the main idea of this thread is to discuss injustice whether or not i'm wrong....no offense...chill bro...

no la~
not shooting HID user coz i;m one also~

but hav to use HID nicely
instead of causing others danger

Don't mind them .. There's thousand of 'em in this forum .. Just because those ah beng who blind them with HID .. They hate all HID user..
It is like one brand failed them .. They hate all the brand's product..

Note : I'm no HID user and I hate those Ah beng too but please use brain when flaming

This post has been edited by Amedion: May 11 2008, 01:02 PM

If you feel you conform to the rules then fight it out in the courts. Stand fast on your rights! The technicalities were not written in the summons means you are given the leeway to fight in court, by questioning the technicalities of the light in question and show how incompetent the officers writing it.

I wish to fight in the court also but it will definitely eat my time...

5k HID will already wrong. manufacture hid NEVER GET FINED unless u change ur HID.

like my friends integra, At kl dunno where stop by JPJ, and JPJ insist to fine him and he said give him summons and sue them back.

because the jpj dont wanna listen to him that the original. 100 police i think only 10 police can write summon rite and only whcih original car have HID light. the rest all i think they dunno.

so turn out my friend fight for it. like how i dunno. turn out now he got a paper that can shown to the police once he got stop by complain his HID.

for after market. u wan to fight? about HID? please dont. i think is the best. because u mod it and already there have a rules they not support HID. so is useless.

HID AND XEON is hurt , but i see the merz they using BION. colourful plus not hurt eyes haha get BIon ten

why can use below 5k HID. because the hid once reach to the temp the buld itself will turn into yellow. plus i think all the manufacture car they also using below 5k.

because last time i used to drive audi a4, my car it gets yellow once u long drive.

i really dun get 1 thing...if let say gov dun wan us to use HID, they must at 1st stop all aftermarket HID manufacturers like Borsch, OSram, phillips from selling it...if its illegal on the road den y gov dun ban it from selling?

its kinda ridiculous and its just like gov dun wan ppl to take drug and at the same time let drug pusher to sell drugs....

if gov gonna curb HIDs, they SHOULD at FIRST stop manufacturers from SELLING HIDs in the market...and they DIN state clearly that wut type of lamp is illegal and wut color temp....its a failure that the gov failed to synchronize everythin up to link between the JPJ law and the police out-of-date knowledge in law....

if HIDs is widely available in the market (not underground black market), even in Lowyat.net garage sales, dun blame road users on installing it in their cars....no sellers, den of coz no buyers coz road users are not well informed of the rules and regulations available, plus HID is so common now, even merely 200bucks u can get 1 install in ur ride....

they instead of blaming on their failure in law administration, they blame on road users...wut about sellers that earned alot from the sales of HID? DO they really know that wut they are selling are illegal? if only stock HIDs are allow, they should only sell HIDs as factory replacement, not aftermarket....(for example alat ganti for camry or civic, not available for other rides which have no factory fitted HID)

dude... they not drugs. they cant stop. they import those thing come in they earn money, they have no rite to stop people import this thing come in. unless there have a rules CANNOT SELLS

example. goverment already said dont smoke. bad for health in the cigarette box but then still people buy, so means if u smoke until u dead so is ur problem cuz they arleady said is bad for health.

so got wat i meanin for this example?

if really insist to rules everything i dont think we can mod a shit.

ALL IS ABOUT MONEY! importin come in goverment earn moneys.

if they stop everything they dont earn money. so come around goes around this cannot there cannot but still how come available because they can earn money. that why!

summon u , they earn money also. makan rasuah they earn money also. so all everything is goverment earn money!



This post has been edited by bizzy: May 11 2008, 01:46 PM

haha, padam muka.
got yellow light dont use, want to use white light, annoying ah beng.

dude, u have to differentiate between discouraged and disallowed, gov DISCOURAGE smoking, thats y they dun compound ppl for smoking, of coz cigarette is available widely...but now they said they wanna disallow HID, it means they are gonna compound u for using it, it means illegal, y are sellers still be allowed to sell? thats the obvious difference...

but some how all about money, no matter is allowed or not allowed or discourage or not discourage.

1st settle the summons 2nd ignore it.

2nd way

1st ask lawyer about this issues 2nd see wat ur lawyer said about it
3rd sue them or no need.

that simple to confirm which step u should do.

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Added on May 11, 2008, 1:56 pm save ur post and stop flammin people la. kns ...

This post has been edited by bizzy: May 11 2008, 01:56 PM

you do not have to attend the court session, there will be hundreds of cases and do u think that they will really listen to u? i doubt tat n i did not even attend.

it's jus something where they wan to make the summons look 'bigger' n they are 'doing' something in which they did not. so jus pay the summons n if u have the balls, report a complaint. jus forget the court...

Yupz..the AP I meant was that reconds~

Well, dun simply flame.. Proton Waja do have JPJ Approved HID~

To TS, the July deadline is for all aftermarket HID users to revert back to normal halogen lights.. It does not mean that the law is not yet enforced, juz that JPJ give time..
Well, juz go to court to argue is you're not happy with what has happened.. Pls keep us posted bout the results ya~

ok...thanks for the advice...i think i'll pay that branch a visit and convert that paper to summon...

it is supposed to be notice according to JPJ and no summons (B4 july), but anyways, i'll pay that branch a visit and see what will they issue...i cant really argue anythin wid em coz they are 'telor' (the law)...they say i'm wrong wut can i do? i wan no fuss...sigh....

This post has been edited by gstrapinuse: May 11 2008, 02:15 PM

by arguing here..you wouldnt get ur court order retract...no point argue in here anymore..u r just trying to comfort urself in here...even if we say..ya..no need worry..u will feel relief and end up paying more fine becos u lose in the court~?

go get a lawyer and discuss with him/her is better than wasting time in here and get flame~

just my 2 cents....so for those who still want to install HID..get ready for summon like what TS having now...unless u pay kopi $$

well
i dono XEON but i know XENON
so as for BION, i only know merz n bmw those cars using BI-XENON

sell, have, install, use HID is not wrong.
it become wrong when u glare other driver eye (by installing them at ur normal lamp(?)).
if u use it on ur "highbeam", then nothing wrong.
it same like u on your highbeam when got other car infront of your car.
then that also become wrong too.

This post has been edited by xeratos_85: May 11 2008, 07:50 PM

conclusion is..

if you change your headlamp to HID from halogen type..police can give you a compound.
Stock standard HID for high end car is fitted properly and gone through experiment to ensure it will not pose danger to other road users.

I think you just bring that compound to police station and pay. They dont have micro down their description. using white HID even not that glaring is wrong too.