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post May 10 2008, 07:35 PM, updated 18y ago

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moderator pls close the thread..thanks

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post May 10 2008, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(adioz88 @ May 10 2008, 07:38 PM)
wow!
how much bro?
little shock here
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the summon din state the compound amount, just told me to attend court on the stated date in the compound!!!! But i asked JPJ officers as well, it is not an offense as long as not blue in color!!!!!
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post May 10 2008, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(andychan @ May 10 2008, 07:43 PM)
i think the police need to go back to tadika ..................
tulisan macam cakar ayam besar besar happy.gif
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ya, i think so....where got 'lampu yang tidak bersilau'? of coz all headlights can silau, so i think they simply charge and din state properly what type of lamp i modified, the exceeded color heat and so on...his patrol car lampu also can silau la! shakehead.gif
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post May 10 2008, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ May 10 2008, 07:44 PM)
Police and JPJ follow different sets of rule... Or should I say, Police can 'set' their own rule although car modification falls under JPJ jurisdiction, especially when they want to 'makan'. What can do, Polis Raja di Malaysia.  laugh.gif
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i checked d, they charged me under the same law of JPJ, its under akta pengangkutan 1987 (ignore the jpj site, in which they have typing error - 1897 - this year malaysia also not yet established), it means that they simply charge me...really raja!!!
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post May 10 2008, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ May 10 2008, 07:49 PM)
Yap. Even JPJ give till July before start summons for HID.
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huh? bro, does it mean that HID lights restriction only comes inforced after july?
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post May 10 2008, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(Hybz @ May 10 2008, 07:52 PM)
what are the consequences if you really get charge ? hmm.gif
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thats the question bro, i also worried....dunno compound how much...attend court some more, like installing HID is a serious crime...if not they should have ban the sale of HID lights and restrict production car from installing it as a standard accessory.... doh.gif
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post May 10 2008, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(herojack41 @ May 10 2008, 07:57 PM)
bro.....as u mention about he wan *MAKAN*i think next time ,if meet up again...i suggest u use your handphone and start recording..wat they are saying.
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dude, u know how i suspect, i told him ok, tulis la, i know my offense, u tulis la, den he still talk alot, if i tulis u might be gantung lesen and pay compound and so on...bla bla bla, ask me think twice somemore...i said nvm la, just tulis (in fact i still have lots of summons i kena den i just ignored brows.gif ) but to my surprise that thing is not summon! it told me to go to court to settle!!
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post May 10 2008, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(Wii_hunter @ May 10 2008, 08:01 PM)
man next time u get pulled over, record the conversation..if he mintak rasuah and u recorded it, jus laporkan dia r..bg dia padan muka..or just sue him for all i care..
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that nite i was curious also, no speeding, not overtaking, no jump red light, did no offense at all, suddenly being pulled over and said i use white light...heck, i have been using it for almost 1 and half year and gone through JPJ block and police road block, none of the time i kena, suddenly out of nothin being pulled over and said my lampu is putih bersilau...isn't it ridiculous??? cry.gif

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post May 10 2008, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(! Love Money @ May 10 2008, 08:26 PM)
http://paultan.org/archives/2008/03/30/jpj...g-by-july-2008/
factory equiped HID is the only approved on road
govmen never encourage ppl go and install HID


Added on May 10, 2008, 8:34 pmread here as well http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/663141
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from the article that i read, it said that for the time being they'll only issue notice to all car owners caught wid HID as a WARNING only, it seems like my summon (to bring me to court) isn't a notice at all...it doesnt make sense here at all as the JPJ has stated CLEARLY that the law only comes to inforce in July...so it's obviously not fair for me at all....i'm wrongly charged....aren't they're supposed to issue me notice like they have stated instead of giving me order to go to court? cry.gif
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post May 11 2008, 10:54 AM

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Let me clarify the scenario here....ya, to fit aftermarket HID is considered illegal on the road, of coz most aftermarket HID doesnt come wid anti glare, if it comes standard wid anti glare, i'm sure most ah beng wont waste money fit it in their car anymore coz they lose their 'YENGness'. but i choose it is for the sake of improved visibility.

the main problem now is, they (the police) charge me wid installing aftermarket HID but din STATE clearly their charge, they said i modify lampu bersilau, but they din state which type of lampu yang bersilau. does he mean that a halogen lamp yang bersilau gile gile or spot light darn bersilau. and if bersilau, how bersilau is bersilau? color heat, height of the beam and so on...PLUS as some members have mentioned earlier that the law is NOT YET ENFORCED (enforce in july). they are supposed to issue me notice as stated clearly by JPJ. the fella (officer) lacks professionalism, not up to date, did nothing to inspect the lamp, lack of technical knowledge B4 act on charging me...

if the law is enforced and i'm wrong, of coz i dun mind being compounded, coz i'm indeed wrong. but to put charge under term like 'modifikasi lampu putih silau' is too layman to be considered a court case, so obvious that he wanted to cari makan only....
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post May 11 2008, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ May 11 2008, 12:06 PM)
juz because u want to improve ur visiblity u put danger/hazzard to road user?
ur license ought to be hang forever doh.gif
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bro, if HID is dangerous, den manufacturers wont fit those crappy lights as standard accessory...if i have the intention to look darn yeng and for the sake of blinding others, i'd prefer 16,000 instead....
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post May 11 2008, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(RCrex @ May 11 2008, 12:42 PM)
HID user that cause road danger n blind others from the opposite way should b punish

well like estima, wish, new civic, these cars don comes wif projectors also
but they don blind others coz hav proper set up n adjustment
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do u understand wut is goin on? if u r here to shoot HID users, u can consider open another thread to do so...the main idea of this thread is to discuss injustice whether or not i'm wrong....no offense...chill bro...
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post May 11 2008, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(inoitu @ May 11 2008, 01:02 PM)
If you feel you conform to the rules then fight it out in the courts.  Stand fast on your rights!  The technicalities were not written in the summons means you are given the leeway to fight in court, by questioning the technicalities of the light in question and show how incompetent the officers writing it.
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I wish to fight in the court also but it will definitely eat my time...
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post May 11 2008, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(bizzy @ May 11 2008, 01:17 PM)
5k HID will already wrong. manufacture hid NEVER GET FINED unless u change ur HID.

like my friends integra, At kl dunno where stop by JPJ, and JPJ insist to fine him and he said give him summons and sue them back.

because the jpj dont wanna listen to him that the original. 100 police i think only 10 police can write summon rite and only whcih original car have HID light. the rest all i think they dunno.

so turn out my friend fight for it. like how i dunno. turn out now he got a paper that can shown to the police once he got stop by complain his HID.

for after market. u wan to fight? about HID? please dont. i think is the best. because u mod it and already there have a rules they not support HID. so is useless.

HID AND XEON is hurt , but i see the merz they using BION. colourful plus not hurt eyes haha get BIon ten smile.gif

why can use below 5k HID. because the hid once reach to the temp the buld itself will turn into yellow. plus i think all the manufacture car they also using below 5k.

because last time i used to drive audi a4, my car it gets yellow once u long drive.
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i really dun get 1 thing...if let say gov dun wan us to use HID, they must at 1st stop all aftermarket HID manufacturers like Borsch, OSram, phillips from selling it...if its illegal on the road den y gov dun ban it from selling?

its kinda ridiculous and its just like gov dun wan ppl to take drug and at the same time let drug pusher to sell drugs....

if gov gonna curb HIDs, they SHOULD at FIRST stop manufacturers from SELLING HIDs in the market...and they DIN state clearly that wut type of lamp is illegal and wut color temp....its a failure that the gov failed to synchronize everythin up to link between the JPJ law and the police out-of-date knowledge in law....

if HIDs is widely available in the market (not underground black market), even in Lowyat.net garage sales, dun blame road users on installing it in their cars....no sellers, den of coz no buyers coz road users are not well informed of the rules and regulations available, plus HID is so common now, even merely 200bucks u can get 1 install in ur ride....

they instead of blaming on their failure in law administration, they blame on road users...wut about sellers that earned alot from the sales of HID? DO they really know that wut they are selling are illegal? if only stock HIDs are allow, they should only sell HIDs as factory replacement, not aftermarket....(for example alat ganti for camry or civic, not available for other rides which have no factory fitted HID)
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post May 11 2008, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(bizzy @ May 11 2008, 01:43 PM)
dude... they not drugs. they cant stop. they import those thing come in they earn money, they have no rite to stop people import this thing come in. unless there have a rules CANNOT SELLS

example. goverment already said dont smoke. bad for health in the cigarette box but then still people buy, so means if u smoke until u dead so is ur problem cuz they arleady said is bad for health.

so got wat i meanin for this example?

if really insist to rules everything i dont think we can mod a shit.

ALL IS ABOUT MONEY! importin come in goverment earn moneys.

if they stop everything they dont earn money. so come around goes around this cannot there cannot but still how come available because they can earn money. that why!

summon u , they earn money also. makan rasuah they earn money also. so all everything is goverment earn money!
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dude, u have to differentiate between discouraged and disallowed, gov DISCOURAGE smoking, thats y they dun compound ppl for smoking, of coz cigarette is available widely...but now they said they wanna disallow HID, it means they are gonna compound u for using it, it means illegal, y are sellers still be allowed to sell? thats the obvious difference... hmm.gif
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post May 11 2008, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(otyew @ May 11 2008, 01:59 PM)
you do not have to attend the court session, there will be hundreds of cases and do u think that they will really listen to u? i doubt tat n i did not even attend.

it's jus something where they wan to make the summons look 'bigger' n they are 'doing' something in which they did not. so jus pay the summons n if u have  the balls, report a complaint. jus forget the court...
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ok...thanks for the advice...i think i'll pay that branch a visit and convert that paper to summon...

it is supposed to be notice according to JPJ and no summons (B4 july), but anyways, i'll pay that branch a visit and see what will they issue...i cant really argue anythin wid em coz they are 'telor' (the law)...they say i'm wrong wut can i do? i wan no fuss...sigh.... sad.gif

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post May 11 2008, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(andyjyneo @ May 11 2008, 09:32 PM)
look at this:
this is what i kena last year:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/663141/+500#
exactly same like yours
refer to page 26, post #505

solution:
pay earlier and get out of trouble
as easy as ABC
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how much is the summon?how much u paid?
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post May 12 2008, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(clsiluf @ May 12 2008, 08:35 AM)
yes, stock always the best because they are done by professional, while aftermarket HID are done by ah beng
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Y u must discriminate those use HID lights?anything wrong? mad.gif vmad.gif
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post May 12 2008, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ May 12 2008, 08:42 AM)
Look at your summon again. You are not being summoned for HID. You are being summoned for WHITE LIGHT. They cannot summon you for HID yet. So the question here is not about HID anymore. Even if you have halogen white light, you will still get summoned.


Added on May 12, 2008, 8:45 am

The issue here is both ways... JPJ for not having the proper guidelines for HID and installers who does not know how to install HIDs. Once the guidelines are sorted out, that would not be an issue anymore. We've gone through this with tinting and it took a long time until they got their equipment sorted out to test. Without the proper equipment, they can't enforce the regulations.
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But the problem is i've checked the JPJ website and it was not stated that halogen white n HID is prohibited...If they say cannot, den y dun have such regulation stated?At least after market users will know...
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post May 12 2008, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(NelsonBoy @ May 12 2008, 12:02 PM)
traffic police tangkap ppl do langgar traffic rules.
blue uniform police tangkap ppl who langgar rule (criminal) and also traffic offence. -------- universal police .

dats wad my fren told me  >.<
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but the problem is the police is nt traffic police..normal blue collar shirt police...and i called up JPJ just now and they said they are not sure when the rules of cannot be install HID enforced...even JPJ themself dunno how do they expect us to know?

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